2006 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( JAPS) TREASURE

[brla]

Carefull Guys, We're All Friends Here.
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Or Asking for some type of Confirmation.
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i aggreed


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thank You
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? JEFF

[brla]

This is Banaue Rice Terraces, part of the Cordillera Mountain Range in Northern Luzon of the Philippine Islands. This rice field in the mountains is one of the Wonders of the World and according to anthropology, the first people who lived in the Islands created this magnificent view thousands of years ago. Somewhere kilometers away from this spot, treasure hunters are looking for the lost Tunnel (Tunnel # where they believed most of the treasures of World War Two are hidden.

hmmm Interesting...

[brla]

very nice story.....

[gboy]

To BRLA,
   
      Hmm interesting?  Of course it is.
      The place near Banaue Rice terraces where Jef of Pi mentioned regarding Japs tunnel is........KIANGAN....this is the place where Gen. Yamash-ita surrendered....in fact his official residence is still in existence.....(secret) there is tunnel underneath....hhmmmm interesting indeed !

[Jef of PI]

Gboy,

Just one question. If you really are into the tracks of Yama-s-h-ita with your 20 years of treasure hunting experience you must know the answer to this to this question, do you know where the royal stallion horse of yama#@!$%#@!a died during his escape from the american troops? If you can tell me the exact location then i really would have all the reason to believe you or else your knowledge regarding yama-s-hita is limited only to what you heard from hearsayers and to what you read in history books. I know you are on monitor always on this forum and  i will give you 24 hours to answer. Goodluck!

Jef of PI

To all guys here: I need somebody to interpret this writing to me. Thanks a lot to any interpretation you can give.

[nugget]

binakol,

i think ive seen you post also in another website...ar u jauncho e.t, pipotoledo ?.,,,,i beleive somebody post u there....just curious...what is
the status now on your area....is the digging started already....post me pag positive ha....i want to hear a successful recovery...

nugget...

[gboy]

To Jef of Pi,

     Where is royal stallion horse of Yamas-hita died? How the hell should I know !! I was not born during their time. My research is about JAPANESE WAR BOOTIES OR TREASURES......NOT ONLY GEN. YAMAS-HITA !!! Remember their are almost 10 million Japanese troops here in our country and most of them buried their treasures here, THERE ARE MAYBE HUNDRED GENERALS who buried big volume treasures all over the Philippines......and thousand Japanese troops that buried small treasures.....And my claim is only 100 + TREASURE SITES WE DISCOVERED, OUT OF MORE THAN 1000 PROBABLE SITES (BIG OR SMALL)...
   WHY WOULD I CARE TO RESEARCH WHERE THOSE ROYAL STALLION HORSES DIED?  Assuming I know it...will you be satisfied? for what? and what now? does it lead me to treasure? I don't think so......your question is irrelevant compared to my Japs treasure research....maybe you look in history books...you can find that answer.
   

[brla]

yeah gboy is very interresting keep working

[jeff of pa]

I gotta agree with GBoy here.
? ?I am almost 50, and Live in the N.E. U.S.
and if you ask me where General Grant is Buried, (other then in "Grant's Tomb" , of course),
I couldn't tell you. Let alone, where his horse is?

? ?Just my "Confused" opinion
? ? ? ? ? Jeff

[brla]

 

[boylara]

hello fellow filipino hunters..good news a friend of mine recovered a 2 boxes under and old water tank here in Cagayan Valley.  inside one of the box are ammunitions and the other one are gold bars.. Another good news, other group mates of mine are now operating a water falls with approximately 100 ft. an old Damugat give us the story about that falls which contains boxes of precious metals/golds, according to him they diverted the falls from its original source, right now, on going recovery by my group. area. Sierra Madre Mountain, here in Cagayan Valley... The Crown of Cambodia had 2 maps, but unfortunately, we have only 1 maps, which depicts whats inside the tunnel, the tunnel is like a guitar shapes which have 2 big rooms, the first room where you can find drums arange like a circle and then the middle are boxes and the next room are buddhas and boxes where one of the buddha have the Crown of Cambodia, unfortunately we dont have the copy of the site, but we know where is located...clue Sierra Madre Mountain....another area is near the highways where 3 cemented boxes are hiddes..the middle one contains precious stones....site maharlika highway....Gboy..tawagan kita kailangan ko tulong mo.......

[Jef of PI]

Okay Gboy, i just thought that with your twenty years of jap treassure experience... you must have also discovered the Royal Toilets of the Generals hahaha especially with Yama-s-hita. Should i enumerate the name of the Generals who really is in charge of hidding these loots I think you are not also interested... I don't think your computation regarding the treasures here in PI is accurate... is not that an exaggeration of the real treasures hidden?

[brla]

hahahaaaa

[thefiles]

Do not give money or equipment, even with this man's exact address and phone number. People pray on others dreams.

[MDnoob]

Would be great to see some pics of boxes of gold bars!

[brla]

yeah its very nice to we see some pics if is possible.

[Gehringer]

This scam was recently posted on a couple of Canadian forums,but were quickly removed by the moderators.This should be as well to maintain the integrity of the site.

[jeff of pa]

Can you " P R O V E "  it's a scam ?

  If you can Prove it, I'd appreciate it 

[Cornelius]

Nice and interestig story . How much time was completely wasted on this fable ? Tons and tons of gold ! Nobody of the group of GBOY has even taken the trouble of going after it . All kinds of excuses ! If I knew of a location I started digging and would not invite others to share in it . If you guys want to know where the real Yama#@!$%#@!a treasure is , I will tell you . The treasure is in the USA in England in Germany in Holland  , in short it is in all those countries and with all you people that want to invest in the GBOY group . That is why the GBOY group goes through so much trouble ! It is your money they are after . Are you so gullable ? More power to you then ! Still interesting to read about the ways of persuation used by the GBOY group . If they have success they will find that treasure , but not in thre Philipines but out of your pockets  . Just my opinion though . I for one however do not believe in fairytales anymore . I have been around too long . Remember .....if it sounds too good to be true it usually is .  Cornelius

[gboy]

To: Jef of PI,

     You want to enumerate the name of Generals who hide the loot??  Ha, Ha ha,....nice try Jef....there are several books written with names of Generals who buried their treasure !  Try to read Gold Warriors...maybe your General is in there...too.
     
These are just the sample of Japanese engineering officers assigned to bury treasure in Mindanao, Philippines.
(JAPANESE SECRET ENGINEERING CODE)

1) Lt.Gen. Tomoyuki Yamash-ita - Japanese Miilitary General, founder Japanese Military Asociation, Lt.Gen. 1940-42, Head Gen  1943-44

2) Brig. Gen. Yarusawa Kurana-  JIA-Mira official head
3) Col. Woshiru Konusiro-  JIA-Mira Staion Commander, Col. 1941-42-43-44
4) Maj. Yoshiyoko Osawa - JIA-Mira, treasure engineer, Capt.1941-42, Maj. 1443-44
5) Maj. Yokodoshi Euto-  JIA-Miara treasure engineer, Capt 1941-42, Maj. 1943-44
6) Maj. Wakanuki Mitsui -  JIA-Mira treasure engineer, Capt. 1941-42, Ma. 1943-44
7) Maj. Saburo Migashi - JIA-Mira treasure engineer, Capt. 1941-42, Maj. 1943
Maj. Yosomoto Wajushi, Capt.1941-42, Maj. 1943-44
9) Maj. Shiro Shin, Capt. 1941-42, Maj. 1943

EVEN SEAGRAVES DOES NOT HAVE THIS KIND OF INFORMATION REGARDING TREASURE ENGINEERS....AFTER 60 YERAS THEIR NAMES WERE FINALLY EXPOSED....What can you say now Jef of PI ? DO YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF SECRET INFORMATION? EVEN PENTAGON DOESN'T KNOW THESE SECRET SOLDIERS !!!  Do you want to confirmed these soldiers?
try to ask Japs veterans....Do you how much these guys buried treasure ??  YOU CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE !!!

By the way, I 'm NO LONGER ASKING FOR FINANCING.....I ALREADY FOUND a British group that recovered 18 tons of gold under San Pablo church.....meaning these guys, no longer needs convincing....THEIR RECOVERED 18 TONS OF GOLD...DO THE CONVINCING FOR ME...... so for those SKEPTICS OUT THEIR....DROOL...PEOPLE...DROOL...bye,bye.

[Cornelius]

Larry . Now there is something I can believe in . No nonsence , straight shooting from the hip . Do you accept Matercard ?   Cornelius

[Jef of PI]

To Gboy:

In as much as i want to argue with you about your claim, i guess this idea is not helping of letting you keep silent about the existence of these treasures. Your move is a desperate move of greediness that you want to out do other treasure hunting groups in finding the treasure. Your 20 years of experience is definitely a scam to invite investors and foreign treasure enthusiast to finance your project. I am sure you know that there are groups working hard locating these projects and doing the recovery and not just sitting on a computer screen like you who just keep on telling the story here. Why not just pick up your shovel and buy a good rope and do what others are doing there up in the mountains? If you have a map as you claim then it would be easy for you and with that 20 years of experience!!!n It's good you found that group you are telling to finance your project. I hope for now you can keep that story yourself.


Jef of the Philippine Islands

[boylara]

Goby, nakuha nyo yun sa San Pablo Church, dito sa amin yan..sa San Pablo, Isabela, Cagayan Valley, Philippines...yun nasa sementeryo, si Gov. Agui ang nakadale dun..so Gboy, your operating in my area too...well lets help one another, Filipino Hunters Lets unite and hlep one another, we don't need foreigners to finance our projects, let do our own digging.....and help our beloved country...want anothe area for treasure hunting, 8 tons located at the St. Peters and Paul Cathedral, Tuguegarao City, Cagayan, CAgayan Valley Philippines.. Another area,,...locate tunnel 8 the treasure is hidden under the main chambers, the opening entrance is in the big room....location..top secret..hehehehehehe..gago kayo mga dayuhan,,,,

[gboy]

Boy,

 ? ? IT WAS NOT ME ! who recovered the treasure in San Pablo church....it was the British group (in 2002) whom would like to finance my projects also....am busy try to prepare all the eqm't needed in our projects....Good luck to all hunters in this forum...hope you can find SERIOUS financiers also......for those SKEPTICS....go for your old coin shooting / cowboy or indian metal JUNKS....while we go for the BIG VOLUME TREASURE....bye...bye...

[coinshooter]

Yeah, and I found all this after doing extensive research at Ft. Knox.
See how easy it is to pull some picture off the internet.
Jeff, I have some swampland i want to sell you too that is full of treasure.

[jeff of pa]

LOL,

I never said it wasn't Easy.

All I'm saying is, Don't Be so Quick to Judge someone.

Just Because Their Not American.

   Just Because you Pulled that off the Net, Dosn't Mean These People, Arn't Treasure Hunters, looking for a Cache.

[nugget]

anybody made their gold bars money already?....how? is it only central bank that is capable with?
how about the figure.8m site tha butz refer,,, is it really a CIA front...please enlighten me butz...
accoding to zach,  because of a failed transaction...how true is it.....

if ever naka hit kayo ng malaki...paano nyo i encash and gold..if you're talking tons....i know
that the world court 40 year moratorium ended 1985...so finders keeper na provided you got
the treasure on a private property...what if its govt prop..how do you plan to make it cash....
please advice...so that if ever i hit one...i know where to go and make it cash...you can email me
butz...gboy...boylara...successful t.hunters....

[nugget]

anybody made their gold bars money already?....how? is it only central bank that is capable with?
how about the figure.8m site tha butz refer,,, is it really a CIA front...please enlighten me butz...
accoding to zach,  because of a failed transaction...how true is it.....

if ever naka hit kayo ng malaki...paano nyo i encash and gold..if you're talking tons....i know
that the world court 40 year moratorium ended 1985...so finders keeper na provided you got
the treasure on a private property...what if its govt prop..how do you plan to make it cash....
please advice...so that if ever i hit one...i know where to go and make it cash...you can email me
butz...gboy...boylara...successful t.hunters....

....peace!

[nugget]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretgoldtreaty/titlepage.htm

CHECK THIS OUT GUYS.....JUDGE IT FOR YOURSELVES...PEACE!...AND GOD BLESS THE PHILIPPINES!

[gboy]

TO: Japs treasure enthusiast,
     
Re: JAPS STRAGGLER FINALLY RESURFACE AFTER 60 YEARS  !!!
     Some of our "hidden secret" Japs straggler will finally surface after 60 YEARS OF HIDING. These are Mr. Yamakawa(86 yrs) and Nakauchi (83 yrs.)...We can consider these Japs soldiers the MOST LOYAL SOLDIERS IN THE WORLD....imagine they never abandoned their army post for 60 YEARS !!! Maybe their tired of hiding...maybe their tired of keeping their treasure in Mt. Matutum and Mt. Magolo in Cotabato, South of the Philippines.
     In 1996 ,we monitored there are still maybe 5 or 6 japs straggler out their in the jungle of Mindanao....but since we do not have enough funding...we were not able to monitor these loyal Japs straggler...until now...
     We susupect these are the men of Gen. Uno, who bowed to BUSHIDO CODE NEVER TO ABANDONED THEIR POST...actually they are guarding treasure sites in thier areas....now that they are old, maybe convins by some other Japs national to surrender...they finally came out...
     THE BIG QUESTIONS    WHO WILL GET THE TREASURE THEY WERE GUARDING FOR LAST 60 YEARS IN MT. MATUTUM AND MT. MAGOLO ??  It will still remain secret....or maybe ask their finder...he is jumping with joy or maybe it will take him a few months to count his gold bars !!
     
     And  now...for those JAPS TREASURE SKEPTICS....DROOL... people... DROOL....

[nugget]

you're right gboy...the last time that a japanese straggler found with a confirmed treasure location was during the 70's ...marcos time...
in lubang island..obviously..marcos got the treasure.....this time....for sure it will be our little president...
the prince of thieves, the jap bone collector kuno, and some treasure hunters nearby ...
..forget the Filipino people na ...which is entitled sana for a 75% share...hopefully a govt.property and location...

[boylara]

well nugget you don't need to sell 1 ton nor millions of worth of gold bars. you can sell by grams, and btw if you will recover that much i think nobody is stupid to admit it, especially if your a filipino....... Gold recovers don't need to brag their gold....

[jeff of pa]

Due to the fact, Not everyone here can speak Tagalog, You  M U S T  make your Posts
 In English.

       IF you feel you must communicate in another language, Do it Via Private Message or E-Mail to the Person it's intended
               For.

                   THANK YOU

                    Jeff

[Jef of PI]

hey nugget... about the jap bone collector... i am interested about that... i twice encountered a jap bone collector... i was just wondering about these people wanting to get japanese bones... do you know for what reason is it bro? i dont think its quite logical to collect bones since thousands of corpses of ameericans, japanese, filipinos etc were scatered during the world war eh...

[Jef of PI]

hey nugget, about the secret gold treaty.... i like that site bro, cool! ....but marcos is dead and whateveer his debt was, i dont care. As if like the site is suggesting that all the gold that are hidden in the PI are not worth findin because others(countries) are entitled to it, uhh well its not our fault that these treasure caame and was buried in our yards and lands and whatever i find part of these treasures it would be mine 100%. There's a computation there totalling to Billions of Dollars of DEBT left by Marcos but I think that is not true... where did Marcos spent all those MONIES? IMF, WB? Wow, I dont believe that story.

[Baron Cross]

Hello Everyone!
 
        Ive been reading all this post and very exciting to hear all this gold buried everywhere in the Philippines.
     I too have a few possible spot to locate the treasure, but I need to find the best metal Detector that detects
     really deep and which one do you guys opinion or facts  is the best. Ive been searching the internet couldn't really
     tell which devise would work the best between different technologies like (Subsurface Interface Radar,
     Earth Resistivity Imaging , Ground Penetrating Radar ,Magnetometers ,Fluxgate Sensors ,Pulse induction ,Laserscan,
     Bore-hole detectors , Atomic Dielectric Resonance mapping and Underground Surveyor Apparatus                     
     from www.accuratelocators.com and also the German company www.accuratelocators.de are these two               
     companies related in any way? is it the same technology also? if not which company sells a better product? And     
     also of all this technology which one the best for looking buried cache? THX.......Baron Cross
   
     

[ssrjunkie]

We have used accuratelocators Underground Surveyor Apparatus. I wonder why they changed that from last years name "GEMS (Geophysical Electromagnetic Surveyor)?"

After calling our friend in the U.S. to research on this equipment he then told us it is built based on the Fluxgate. I really don't know. But one thing that bothers me is that everytime we scan we have to ground balance it.  We also have used GEM-300 of Geophysical Survey Systems, Inc. which is Electromagnetic in method we dont have to ground balance it.

Yes this kind of equipment [GEM-300] is a metal profiler and is suited for treasure hunting.  But very expensive and shallow in depth penetration which is only 20 feet max.  The other one is GEM-3 made by Geophex is much deeper and can penetrate up to 160feet. The price is US$25,000+.

[gboy]

To: Treas Hunters,

        All treasure or geophysical instruments are usefull....only if you know how to use it or its capabilities /limitation, and depending also to your type of treasure sites.
       1) Buried treasure -   shallow(GPR,Pulse,magnetometer), deep (ERI,GPR)
       2) Treasure inside/underneath boulder/concrete -     GPR,Pulse, Magnetometer
       3) Treasure inside waterfalls/caves/granite or marble walls -   GPR
       4) Concrete vault/tomb/statue/inside trunk of tree-   GPR,Pulse
       5) Buried treasure undwerneath concrete flooring of church/school - GPR,Pulse

   ERI- sting/swift mutielectrodes probes --- you need soil to insert probes, not applicable to concrete or boulder treasure sites. can detect deep sites.
  GPR - surface scanning for soil or concrete scan, real time screen shots feed,can detect 60 feet.
  Pulse - for shallow surface detection, best to be used for covert or secret treasure hunting operation bcoz of its portability, can be consealed easily.
  Magnetometer - surface scanning of shallow sites, good for locating buried trucks/battletank/airplane.
  Borehole detector - we prefer bore hole cameras, to see inside treasure chamber after digging small bore hole.
 
The other treasure equipment...are expensive and not worth to invest in treasure hunting operation bcoz of poor performance.   

[nugget]

jeff of pi
you know what, if ever i see a japanese and american in a remote area here in p.i., i would suspect that they are here treasure hunting...
like this jap bone collector...it is his front....you know the reason behind...to operate undercover......1986 was the last year that the International
Court of Justice (World Court) lifted the 40 year moratorium regarding the WW2 japanese loot, which says that war loot found in any country
proven belong to a looted nation must be returned to the rightful owner.....that My friend ended 1986(from 1945),,,the downfall of marcos also(edsa revolution),,,why?because marcos is too greedy about this gold and america wants a much bigger share for his cache of gold(the trilateral letter)...which
marcos didnt sign....if he signed during 1986 edsa revolution...he could still be our president....if he's still alive....hehe....somebody in the internet
also said...that edsa revolution is an american triggered revolution...the punch line is ...the Trilateral Commission's Communique to President Marcos...

as of this moment external Philippine debt 60.3B USD....
THIS MY OPINION...

[nugget]

Is there somebody rich enough here in this forum to build a company, Philippine base, that leases a treasure hunting equipment....
the latest and the powerful detectors?....geee....this are all our problem...this equipment are too expensive....i have a prospective
site to dig also...but its only base from a"reliable source",,,maybe,,,,that is why i want to confirm with this gpr....the problem with us
juan dela cruz'es are capability to have this equipment.....to the united treasure hunters here in the philippines looking for the fabled
yama#@!$%#@!as treasure.... i think this should be the first objective...build a company that rent/lease/sale (hulugan)cache seeking equipment...
so that all of us here can proceed with our projects.....and everybody happy....mga kabayan...lets help one another...

[nugget]

TO Baron Cross;
Ive been searching and browsing also for the best equipment...and this 2 i prefer...

         http://www.geophysical.com/SIR3000.htm
            plus the antenna  ...this is a gpr...and

      http://www.futuretreasure.com/products/rover_sp.html
           this works in the principle of earths magnetic anomaly interpretation...

kaya lang ....very expensive nasa taas, worth Million pesos....the second one worth 640k pesos...i  cant afford it man.....
if ever your bought some...and if ever you hit one....can u lend your equipment to us,,,a sort
of barrow lang...hehehe......
? ?
? ? ?

[Baron Cross]

to ssrjunkie 
 
 Thx for the info and if i may ask did the (Underground Surveyor Apparatus) work and found anything if it did how deep?And how much is the Gem 300 and does it work better than the (U S Apparatus) ? THX Baron Cross

[Baron Cross]

To gboy
 
   Thank you for giving us THers a very usefull information about different uses for each kind of technology.It would be very helpful  to my final selecting of which one to buy. Thx Baron Cross

[Baron Cross]

To nugget

    Thx for your opinion of which machines i could get.Those machines looks real good to me hehe i wish i can afford to buy them both. You posted earlier that you wish somebody would rent out gold detectors, I heard of somebody in Davao City that is renting out his scanner with an operator for 5,000 pesos for i minute (yes for one minute) thats equivalent to $95 US dollars a minute ouch! Hehe if i ever find a big enough treasure ill give you my machine and ill buy me a new one LOL.  Baron Cross

[Baron Cross]

Hey Guys

    Any of you knows how to get a TREASURE HUNTING LICENCE in the Philippines and whats the requirements.And hows the split if you take your new found treasure to Banko Central for paper exchange and whats the tax rate if any? THX Baron Cross

[nugget]

baron cross...
you're a good citizen man...despite the rampant corruption in our govt...you still want to secure a permit in treasure hunting...that could endanger your life....anyway heres some guidelines and laws...theres an statistics that says...a lot of hunting permit was issued during ramos and cory's time, but nobody reported any finds..you know why...my opinion is...they split it with themselves of course...nobody sees anyway....

PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 1726-A    (government property)
October 1, 1980
says that all treasure hunting permit must be secured from the Office of the Philippine President,,,(for obvious reason...marcos is monitoring during his time....) the split is 25% to you and 75% to him..i mean the govt....all mobilization expenses sa yo rin...

REPUBLIC ACT NO. 386   Civil Code      (private property)
June 18, 1949
Art. 438. Hidden treasure belongs to the owner of the land, building, or other property on which it is found.
make a contract to excavate man para di ka trespasser coz if you are...wala ka makukuhang share..

piece of advice....dont let anybody know that youre excavating....if you can do the job alone, do it....or choose a trusted family member/friend......GREED is motivated by a sparkling gold.......

going to rental of gpr....ill just wait for the time you make a big hit man....i can have your machine by then..LOL...

[gboy]

To: Baron Cross,

      If your budget is small my recommendation would be:
      1) Pulse Star 2 ($3T) - good detector instrument for at least 20 feet deep, conrete vault or tomb,statue,trunk of tree.
      2) PMR 2 ($1.2T) - a good back up locator instrument.

      If you have a huge budget:
      1) GPR($10T-20T) - range 60 feet deep, good for "surface" scanning with real time video feed.
      2) ERI ($50T) - good for deep scanning and mapping of underground subterrain (voids,tunnel,cave,etc)
     
      If you want to be 100% sure of your buried site, you need to drill and insert video inspection system (borehole camera) :
      1) Portable water drill ($5T-15T) - up to 200 feet deep , diameter 4 - 6 inches.
      2) Borehole video inspection system ($1T +) - insert video and see your treasure first before digging....

These are the dream equipments for treasure hunting.....however, sometimes you don't need this kind of equipment to recover treasure....ask some Dumagat natives....they accidentally stumble open big volume treasure caves...thats we call LUCK.... 

[Baron Cross]

To Nugget

    LOL I was just making sure that if we find buried treasure that it wont be confiscated by the government by not having a treasure hunter permit.So your saying that I don't need the permit if I have a contract with the LANDOWNER to excavate the property for WWII cache? And do you know What percentage does Central Bank of Philippines keeps for Exchanging Gold for Cash? THX Baron Cross

[Baron Cross]

To Gboy

 
      If you have the budget to buy this Equipments which GPR,ERI,Portable water drill and Borehole video inspection system would you buy and from what company and why that specific model    ? THX Baron Cross

[nugget]

To baron cross,,,

oh...i forgot to mention that if the govt knew that you find something (with of without permit in public/govt property), your cache will be considered gone....it looks like you dont know how business in govt happens here....with of without permit its the same.....Just my personal opinion...
in a private property...not govt permit is needed...coz its private man....it will only need a contract between you and the legal owner of the property...well on percentage of c.b...dont know man....i dont have a transaction yet with c.b....and i dont want to have....i would have rather sell my cache in portions,,,,sell it to ding velayo jewelry......again ....this are my personal opinion......you have every right to your decision man....God bless...

did you check the pulse star 2 the gboy suggested?....its a little affordable, i checked the kellycodector site...its only 104k in pesos....maybe ill buy one..

[gboy]

To Baron Cross,

 ? ? ? Applying for Philippine treasure permit on gov't land is difficult to comply bcoz the requirement is almost the same as applying for mining....imagine the volumnous document and red tape you will encounter trying to comply. Whereas, when you comply, Gov't share is 75%, while treasure hunter/funder share is measly 25%...However, there are short cuts, specially if your target sites are located in private property. We have a law that states: all treasure recovered from private lot shall be shared with lot owner 50% sharing or whatever percentage acceptable to both parties, meaning lot owner,treasure hunters,funder....with this private property NO GOV'T SHARE is included....
 ? ? ?Selling gold to Central Bank is legal specially coming from the mines....however selling bars from treasure is another story bcoz everybody wants a piece of treasure...meaning you will pass thru gullible gov't red tape, to solve that problem...be sure you make your gold bars appear it came from mining companies or small scale mine (erasing hallmark,deforming,cutting to small pieces,etc)...that way...the C.B. employees will not notice the difference from treasure or mine gold.....and now you can sell your treasure gold little by little to C.B.
 ? ? You can sell your big volume gold to C.B.....but no matter how legal your gold are, they will always find a way to give you problem, thats why you should sell it ...little by little.

[Baron Cross]

To Nugget
 
   THX its good to know this things , but mostly we would be digging on private land,home sites that are declarations only no land deed. Are declarations considered private property because they pay property taxes each year? Or government property?Yes pulse star II is a good devise but I'm looking for something that i can see in 3-D to make sure something is buried in the ground and how deep.Hopefully it can tell if its metal,gold or cement. (nitso) THX Baron Cross

[Baron Cross]

To Gboy

 
? ? ? If you have the budget to buy this Equipments which GPR,ERI,Portable water drill and Borehole video inspection system would you buy and from what company and why that specific model? ? ? THX Baron Cross

To Gboy

      Thank you for the info about Central Bank and LICENSES ...do you think you can give me your opinion about the earlier post that i had about equipments that which one you would prefer to buy. It be very helpful for me to make the right decision, I know that its only opinion but two or more head is better for making the right decision.So everybody's OPINION is very welcome and appreciated.Thank you  Baron Cross

[gboy]

To: Baron Cross,

      If I have budget which equipment would I buy? I would buy them all ( ERI, GPR, Pulse Star 2, Pmr 2, Portable water drill,borehole video inspection system) because I have different type of treasure sites (100+ sites) that's why I need all these equipments.
      In your sites all of this equipments are useful: GPR($10-20T) and ERI ($20T) these are with 3D images of buried objects.
You can call or meet me in Metro Manila to personally discuss your treasure equipment requirements: +639103216315
     

[nugget]

to gboy;
any idea about the minor sites....is it enclosed in a crate (wooded/metal or cement) or they just planted it
without any enclosure??....how deep do you think??....coz my site i beleive is only a minor site but the pointer
says that 3 crates is there...i dont know the size of crates.....if i use this pulse star II do you think i can detect
the gold even if it is enclosed in concrete or cement or wood???assuming its a minor site..obviously it will not be
deep enough...do minor sites has traps too?
please share your idea gboy.....anybody....tnx God speed...

[Jef of PI]

hello guys, hows the room? well yeah, need some scanners and md's for our projects too. lend your equipments for a share... sure sites... just needed the equipments for the exact location to dig. goodluck to all th's... it's but ok to have a license to dig or to treasure hunt as long as your sites are on private properties... to nugget... if you have a find to dispose maybe we can help you on that.. with the BSP. 

[BADZ]

To Baron Cross,

 ? ? ? Applying for Philippine treasure permit on gov't land is difficult to comply bcoz the requirement is almost the same as applying for mining....imagine the volumnous document and red tape you will encounter trying to comply. Whereas, when you comply, Gov't share is 75%, while treasure hunter/funder share is measly 25%...However, there are short cuts, specially if your target sites are located in private property. We have a law that states: all treasure recovered from private lot shall be shared with lot owner 50% sharing or whatever percentage acceptable to both parties, meaning lot owner,treasure hunters,funder....with this private property NO GOV'T SHARE is included....
 ? ? ?Selling gold to Central Bank is legal specially coming from the mines....however selling bars from treasure is another story bcoz everybody wants a piece of treasure...meaning you will pass thru gullible gov't red tape, to solve that problem...be sure you make your gold bars appear it came from mining companies or small scale mine (erasing hallmark,deforming,cutting to small pieces,etc)...that way...the C.B. employees will not notice the difference from treasure or mine gold.....and now you can sell your treasure gold little by little to C.B.
 ? ? You can sell your big volume gold to C.B.....but no matter how legal your gold are, they will always find a way to give you problem, thats why you should sell it ...little by little.

[BADZ]

gboy,
under the ammended law regarding treasure hunting in the Philippine, it is the regional offices of the DENR-Bureau of mines that accepts, process and approves all application of treasure hunting activities effective yr 2004.  Furthermore, if the treasure site is situated on a private property, the gov't gets 30%. Under water treasures, the gov't gets 50%. situated on a public land, the govt gets 75%.
All treasure hunting activities are considered illegal unless otherwise you possess a permit from the DENR.
fyi

[nugget]

gboy...
badz is right to this new denr order...august 31, 2004

http://www.denr.gov.ph/policy/dao2004/dao2004-33.pdf

what happens presidential decree and the civil code of the Philippines....is it superseeded? the denr order
doenst mention about any supperseede....denr is only an internal administrative order...
any lawyer in the forum that can help us here.....?

[BADZ]

to NUGGER,
I would like to answer your querry to gboy regarding the use of a pulse star II and etc. My Lorenz II performs similarly with the pulse star II. It's an electro magnetic pulse induction metal detector that can discriminate ferrous and non-ferrous metals at a maximum depth of 10 meters, using the large coil at 6ft x 6ft. It can detect metals enclosed with cement at a lesser depth.
There are indeed major sites and minor sites, as alleged but there are only specific places where treasures are stashed like garrisons, airfields, camps or any major encampment of the Japanese army.  Treasures are placed usually on wooden crates, ammo boxes, cement, drums, jars, plastic containers. Big cache are usually placed at 14 meters deep or more and minor ones are usually kept at 3meters to 9 meters deep.
I used an Molecular Frequency Discriminator (MFD) as my long range locator which can also be used to determine the depth of the treasure and the kind of treasure whether it's gold bars, silver coins and diamonds.
In our treasuring hobby, we follow a simple rule- L.A.V.A ( Living pointer. Accurate detectors. Visible signs. Accurate maps) and also the history of a supposed site.
fyi

[BADZ]

To Baron Cross:
If you ask for my opinion re: effective detectors for cache hunting, I find the ACCUMETER PRO VI a very effective detector in locating deep buried treasures regardless of terrain. I've used the SIR-2 and the SIR-10 radar system but it couldn't go deeper than 8 meters. I am using a different MFD model from the commercial ones and It's quite effective in locating any disturbed soil and any buried foreign object at a distance. As for metal detector, the LORENZ model is quite effective too. The latest Lorenz, model 5 can detect metal objects up to 15 meters deep.
Re: applicaion of treasure hunting permit, the application fee is 10,000.00 pesos and incidental expenses of another 10,000.00 pesos representing incidental expenses for the preparations of all requirements pertinent to the application. It will take at least 2 to 3 weeks for it's approval or disapproval......
If you think that your project site has a good chance of success, I would advise you to secure a permit first for your own protection from different quarters and for your success in your recovery operations without any hussle. Take my advise, based from our experiences. Our failures in our recovery operations were caused not by the ineffinciency of our detectors but by the legality of our operations-illegal excavations!!!
As of the moment, we are trying to secure for the first time a treasure hunting permit from the gov't.


badz

 

[gboy]

To Badz and Nugget,

       Guys you are just an amateur treasure hunters...you do not know the REAL TREASURE HUNTING GAME....Do you think I'm still ignorant of treasure hunting laws in the Philippines? C'mon ...wake up...we are not born yesterday...I have been to DENR-BMG office for those treasure permit, even from Malacanang treasure permit days....IF YOU RECOVER TREASURE...THEY ARE USELESS PAPER !!!
       In 2000, we recover 2 tons of gold in ref size concrete vault, WE HAVE A TREASURE PERMIT !!...Suddenly a politician, with DENR officer, military, police confronted us. WE SHOW THEM OUR TREASURE PERMIT....THEY TEAR THE TREASURE PERMIT INFRONT OF OUR FACES...AND CONFISCATED OUR 2 TONS GOLD BARS.....
      What do you think we should do? SLAP THOSE ARMED GOV'T PEOPLE WITH WHAT...OUR BALLS ??
YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING.....IF ARMED PEOPLE STEAL OR CONFISCATE YOUR ...TREASURE....EVEN YOUR PAPER TREASURE PERMIT IS USELESS INFRONT OF THE BARREL OF THE GUN.........wake up guys, in real world...GOLD make people disobey laws.
      Lesson learned...try to operate SECRETLY....ok?

[gboy]

TO: Treasure Hunters,

      Since we had a bad experience treasure hunting in community, we tried to explored other places we believe far away from the eyes of greedy gov't people...thats why we explored intensively since 2000, the secret treasure caves of Sierra Madre jungles, these were the ACTUAL reports of our LIVE POINTER natives who personally SAW these treasures, we wanted to go to these sites...but due to lack of funds we can't....these are the sites worth relocating or to be explored.

SIERRA MADRE TREASURE SITES

1) DUMAGAT SECRET TREASURE 1
    - cave / waterfalls full of gold (est.300 tons).
    - 48 pcs initially hauled in 1986
    - are spotted last Sept 2004
2) DUMAGAT SECRET TREASURE 2
    - cliffwall cave with log bridge, full of black bricks/gold (est.200 tons)
    - spotted by local natives 2003
3) El SOMBRERO 1
    - cave with gold stockfile (est.200 tons) & fatigue box with big padlock.
    - spotted by local natives 1986, failed attempt exploration 2003
4) EL SOMBRERO 2
    - cave with gold stockfile (est.1082 tons written on the wall) in 7 chambers
    - spotted in 1991 by local natives.
5) SNAKE CAVE TREASURE
    - cliffwall cave with 2 giant snake statue and gold stockfile.
    - climbed by bird nest hunters in 2004
6) PADLOCK CAVE
    - cave with stell grill and big padlock
7) CAGED BUDHA CAVE
    - cliffwall cave with 2" diameter iron grill fences inside is 2 feet tall Budha.
    - climbed by bird nest hunters in 2002.
3 BUDHA CAVE
    - cave has 2 pcs.(2 feet Budha), 1 pc. (3 feet Budha) with colored wirings from the hesd to the ground probably wire trap.
    - spotted by local natives 2004
9) KILLER BUDHA OF DIGOYO
    - local native attempted to lift 200 kg. Budha, a few days later the native died, spotted 2004.
10) UNDERGROUND TEMPLE
    - underground temple with 12 pillars (8 feet tall) 6 feet apart, with 18 stairways leading to unknown chamber.
11) GEN. TANAKA AND TAMASO CACHE
    - 12 meters by 12 meters gold stockfile in hidden cave chamber.
12) GEN. TANAKA FLAGPOLE
    - according to map, 300 pcs. of gold bars underneath flagpole, area spotted 2004.
13) UNDERWATER 2-METAL BOX
    - native diver recovered 8 pcs. white metal bars beside the 2-metal box with chain in 2000.
14) 5 LONELY TOMB CAVE
    - 5 concrete tomb were found by local native inside the cave in 1995.
 
These sites were found by local native in the middle of Sierra Madre jungle...The ONLY WAY TO VERIFY is to RELOCATE THIS TREASURES CAVES OURSELVES with the help our live pointer natives...like INDIANA JONES expedition...We need COMPLETE CAMPING,CLIMBING GEARS ,BOAT and BUDGET.....we need also strong legs because the sites are in 50 square kilometers to explore..... for more info: email: gergio2004   cel: +639103216315
           YOU WANT ADVENTURE??? THIS IS IT.

[gboy]

To: Treas Hunters:

    Sorry for email address mistype....my email: gergio2004@yahoo.com

[BADZ]

gboy,

I do not intend to offend any body on this forum neither do i intend to compete with your vast experiences as a "professional treasure hunter"! I and my group can't even be considered as amature treasure hunters. We are just mere hobbyists, adventurers and it so happen that one of our weekend past time is to satisfy our curiosity in unlocking the myth about these buried treasures.
We hear a lot of stories on those treasures.  We have seen a lot of groups excavating all over. And because of it, we have included treasuring as one of our hobby.
Through it's course, I am sharing through this forum, our little experience on this matter without any intention to offend anybody!
What I know about forums is the sharing of experiences, exchanging views, and getting good advises. Forums are not the venue to brag one's success or used it as a tool for solicitations.
Furthermore, gboy, a few years way back, we have communicated through the cell phone. To refresh your memory, you needed help like the usage of our group's detectors and for financial help for your projects.
Anyway, thanks for your advise on me and nugget in this forum.

badz   

[Jef of PI]

Hello to badz, nugget and baron cross.... just wanted to know if you guys are interested in venturing your metal detectors with us? we are excavating a site here in the north but we lack the right MDS to use in locating the treasure... possibly MDs from ACCURATE LOCATORS or any effective GROUND PENETRATING RADARS OR SATTELITE/ATOMIC SCANNERS to use. Let's do help each other guys. Contact me at 09274357116. Location is Pangasinan and La Union.

Hello gboy... how are you man? wow to your post, that is quite a volume of treasures...

[gboy]

To: Badz,
         
      Its not my intention to offend you or brag about our sites. I just wanted also to share the REAL TREASURE HUNTING activity that all of us interested in. Regarding the MYTH that treasure permit will IMMUNE you from confiscation of your treasure is a big falacy....in reality its just a worthless paper if somebody will FORCE to get your treasure....NOBODY can prevent it...unless you have also a FORCE to reckon with, meaning unless you are ready to FIGHT it out with your treasure hoard....If you are just ordinary treasure hunters, the best way to recover treasure is doing it SECRETLY.
      Most of the time even if you have a treasure permit, if you are digging, armed people (gov't/bad guys) will not bother you, they will let you dig as deep as you can. BUT IF YOU RECOVER TREASURE.....thats another story...they will come like FLIES...sorrounding, intimidating, and possibly KILLING you just to recover your treasure...
     Now whom you will trust? NOBODY.....just keep your activity far away from these people....maybe you can hit it !!

To: Treas Hunters,

    I found a foreign financiers, when he was still raising funds, he xerox all my 300 pages treasure project study files (maps, write ups,photos, etc.). And he promise me, to buy all equipment and funding I need. He went to U.S., using my files he was able to raise more or less one million dollars ($1 million)....the problem is, when he came back...he never fulfill his promise and vanish...
    Lesson learned: This guy make money out of my files !!!  Imagine what he can do if we show him our billion dollar treasure cave?
Well, I just have to be careful next time.....Some foreign financiers are SCAMMERS ALSO...WE THE TREASURE HUNTERS ARE VICTIMS....

     

[nugget]

to gboy...
i cannot consider myself as amature treasure hunter...coz i didnt even have one excavated....i dont even have
an equipment even a simple metal detector...for now im still just in the process of researching...and researching....anyway tnx for all the info...in the early part of this forum...i show myself the policy that govt transaction is hard to predict....it is corruption....and glittering gold is a motivator of GREED that can kill u....2004 denr admin order surely will make the treasure hunters community be enclosed in a martial law...and again...as u said...all papers are useless when they heard theres a prey to catch....they are vultures you know....again MORALITY comes.....not only in the govt authority but can also come within your group...you cant predict their mentality if there is already a cache..
to badz...
i think you should get the advice of gboy, as i have said also earlier to somebody in this forum....if you can dig it yourself...do it....or with your CLOSEST family/friend that is morally upright...i myself is a government employee that is why i know, how transaction transpires to the corrupt govt agencies....all of this because of selfishness...weakness...tnx also for the info...
to all treasure hunters...
make your adventure only a hobby...in that way when bad things come..you can start again without bitterness....its pride! we are all guardian of this treasures,,,if we found one we becomes the distributor of this treasures....to gboy...what u did to that corrupt govt official...u did the right thing ...u did nothing...YOUR LIFE IS MORE PRECIOUS THAN GOLD...start a new one...by the time you got one u already know how to distribute it...PEACE!
GOD SPEED!

[gboy]

To: Treas Hunters,
 
       I know there are a lot of skeptics and criitcs out there, trying to discourage us from getting our treasure or preventing us to raise funds....it only inspire us to work hard...and we believe TREASURE is already within our reach....just a matter of time.
     

[Baron Cross]

Hey Gboy

? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks for all the info...if I may ask whats ERI stands for?....I might give you a call after I/we are done exploring our sites if not after the rainy season is over around NOVEMBER FOR LUZON? HH Baron Cross

[Baron Cross]

 Badz

? ? ? ? ? Thanks for the info about getting a license, I greatly appreciate it and also for your opinion on metal detectors.One question ACCUMETER PRO VI technology isn't it base on dowsing? How well is it working for you? HH Baron Cross

[BADZ]

To Baron Cross,
The ACCUMETER PRO VI is a resistivity meter. It has 4 independent probes (1,2,3,4) with a 100 ft cable. It can probed 100 sq. ft. area with a maximum depth of 100 ft and it is an all terrain detector. It can determine if it is gold, silver, minerals, water, tunnel n etc.  through it's gauges. Therefore, it is not a dowsing equiptment.
We find the equipment a very reliable one and it saves us a lot of money, time and energy in our explorations. We have eliminated empty diggings in our explorations.
our procedures in our explorations is: first we used our long range locator (an MFD). if it has pinpointed something, we used the Accumeter Pro VI to counter check the MFD"s detection. And if the depth is within the range of the LORENZ 2 electromagnetic pulse induction which is 6 meters to 10 meters deep, we use it as our final counter checking.
Yes, we had several small hits in our explorations. Just old coins. But recently, we had a big hit but unfortunately something happened on it.  It should have been our first big hit.......
Yes, I strongly recommend the accumeter pro VI but you should  know how to use it...

BADZ

[gboy]

To Baron Cross,

    ERI is an Earth Resistivity Imaging, its used in mining, a hi-tech geophysical instrument, its like Accumeter but with images or screen shots...accumeter is just a resistivity meter, while ERI it make 2-D or 3-D maps images of ground resitance, so that you can see the voids, caves,concrete vault or treasure chambers images underground....it has multirods (probes)...it cost $50T....
    How do I know....my friend is using it now...

[Badger Bart]

gboy is right that greed will bypass any laws, anywhere. For some real investigative reporting with documentation, read this online book. Maybe it will help you understand what is really going on in the world today, much of it has to do with the treasure in the PI,s. They even intimate that W is involved.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretgoldtreaty/contents.htm

[RealdeTayopa]

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HOLA JEFF: I was in the Phillipines in WW-2,  Cebu to be exact.

 I am curious, why did  the Japanese choose to use the islands to store this metal? 

Since it was collected from the Asian areas and in transit, why didn't they just continue on to the homeland where it would be relativey safe and could be handled leasurely? 

The High (Generals) Japanese knew early in the war that they could not hold on to the occupied areas, so why build elaborate hiding places to which they probably would not have access to, or even legal right to? 

Of course our present fiasco in handing billions of $$US in Iraq, most of which has just disappeared and is unaccounted for, could explain. hehehe.

 Not all generals were as motivated as the subject in one of the posts.

[RealdeTayopa]

? Gold Sales - gold is sold in troy ounces and troy pounds. There are twelve troy ounces to a troy pound. If you are selling 16 avoirdupois ounces per each pound for the official gold price then you are ripping yourself off bigtime. exanimo, ss
           ~~

A) I was being a gentleman by not mentioning that

1 oz. av    = 28.35 grams  x 16 oz.   =       458 grams  #Av.
1 oz. troy = 32.15   "       x 12 oz. Troy =  356    "     #Troy.

 You go from there as to which ton desig. you wish to sell it.   heheh.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As I posted in the other room on Philippine gold, why was it buried there in the first place?  If it was from one  of the Aisan countries  it was in transit.  Why not just continue on to japan where it could be handled leasurely.

All top officals, including generals, knew that they could not keep the occupied countries, so why bury this loot where they probably could never recover it?

It defies imagination how anyone could keep such an operation as  described secret, no matter how many might be killed to keep it so?  Even the Germans couldn't do this.

Am curiius..

Incidentally I was in the Cebu/Mactan campaign


Jose de La Mancha  (tilting windmills)

]

[RealdeTayopa]

we went to the town looking for food provision like rice. We found a friend and offer us a sackful of (palay) undried rice...but we have to dried it first before it would be milled into rice. So, it took us 3 DAYS to dry the palay(undried rice) and milled it.

Q)  Most towns that I ever went to in the Phillippines, had stores with rice etc. already milled, plus other foods ready??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~, 4 carabao cart haul the 75 kilos gold bars aprox. 2 tons...and they vanishd into the jungle. Bcoz of thoe incident ...we LOST 2 TONS OF GOLD...it took us 6 month of blaming each other...why we did not GUARD the concrete...

Q)  So you had  a concret  box of aprox, 8 cu ft with 2 tons of Gold inside, perhaps weighing 4,400 lbs?  How did you manage to lift  it into the truck?  5 men having access to the actual lifting  = #880  each?  Even using  boards as a ramp, it  is somewhat  of a formidable task.  Am curious for sure.

75 kilos =  approx  200 + #.  How did you know that they were 75 kilos?
? ?
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[RealdeTayopa]

HOLA? Gboy:

( Q) How did they manage to wrestle that stuff through a 2 ft hole?

(Q)? In  post # 66 your 2 tons of Au is carted off by unknowns in carts, then in post # 243 a you are hijacked for the same thing by officials???  How many concrete, refrigerator sized,  things did you find?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Butz:
(Q)? Never heard of a gasoline or desel portable generator to run a drill?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Earth Labe

(A)? this was the comon way to mine in the 15-1600's if your were isolated.? Fires were also used to ventilate the mines.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose de La Mancha? (tilting windmills)

[gboy]

Realde,

     Thanks for having a lots of question regarding our adventure in Sierra Madre, it only means your interested now?

1) How we manage to lift 8 cubic feet of concrete with 2 tons of gold?
    Sierra madre is logging town with hundreds of heavy equipment to haul big and heavy logs.....how we haul....WE HIRED A LOGGING TRUCK WITH WINCH THAT CAN EVEN LIFT 5 FOOT DIAMETER LOG !!!!....SO HAULING A SMALL 8 CUBIC FEET OF CONCRETE WITH 2 TONS OF GOLD IS SOOOOOO EASY FOR THIS LOGGING TRUCK...OK?
.....by the way, the concrete is not buried...it is 4 inches expose along the seashore, sometimes people dried fish on top of it...

2) Our concrete was confiscated by unknowns or by politicians?
    Remember WE ARE NOT IN THE SITE BCOZ WE ARE DRYING PALAY RICE....according to the neighbors they saw armed people break our concrete vault and haul the gold by 5 carabao carts......according to our investigation ,we suspect that it was probably men of local politician....therefore we do not know EXACTLY if it was men of politician or unknowns...WE ARE NOT SIMPLY...THERE...ok?

3) Why dried palay and instead buy rice from the store?
    That's a s---- question.... DO YOU THINK IF WE HAD MONEY.... WE WILL STILL DRIED PALAY RICE? WE ALREADY SPEND OUR MONEY HIRING THE LOGGING TRUCK....WE ARE PENNILESS THATS WHY WE WENT BACK HOME AND DRIED PALAY RICE.

4) Why spent 3 days to dry rice??
    The wife of my partner is a nagger...she does not want us to dry rice for our treasure hunting consumption ONLY....she wanted all 20 sacks of rice to be dried...so that if we go for treasure hunting for several days...her wife will no longer dry the rice which is tedious work.

5) How many concrete we found in the area?
    We found two concrete...the first is concrete drum ( we break it, empty probably just a marker)...the second is the 8 cubic feet ref size concrete....rest is history.

6) Is there still concrete vault out there??
    According to our asset, along a sea cliffwall, they saw two ref size concrete with chain to another concrete....the concrete is exposed along the cliffwall shore and chained to other concrete which is submerged to water....

We are not interested in these concrete projects although 100% it has gold...simply bcoz you need to buy or hire a boat and need breaking equioment with genset..in which we do not have that kind of logistics..........we will look and revisit for open treasure cave with stockfile of gold....its much better photo ops...isn't it?

SO....ANYBODY WANTED TO FINANCE US NOW?

[metal_jacket64]

Hi guys!

To be balance in your opinion regarding Yama-s-hita's treasure here in Philippines, try to read the? book written by a Filipino? Eric San Juan entitled "Marcos Legacy Revisited: Raiders of the Lost Gold".? It might help you find what you're looking for.

Yes, I read it many times and meet Eric San Juan personally in a TV Progmme of Commander Lahi. He is a personal courrier of Marcos while in exiled in Hawaii.

There some truth to it. He said about the only key to recover this wealth is The Unity of the Filipino People. With many vested interest politician alike We can't pursued a Country to gave back those deposit.

[metal_jacket64]

To: Jeff pa,
? ? ?Why do you pay to your friends for help?
 I trust my 3 friends and there is NO problem with them. The people that we pay are the laborers who haul and lift the concrete vault into the truck to our designated site. And they leave...and comeback to steal our treasure.

To: pkpk4me/ eathabs,
? ? ?Remember its just an ordinary and usual treasure tip or lead. We got several of those tip every week. We demolished several of these kind of concrete vault...with nothing on it. Its Just an ORDINARY AND NORMAL TREASURE routine, take the concrete vault, put it in our area, produce food...and demolished it. IF WE ONLY KNEW THAT ON THAT DAY, THE CONCRETE VAULT IS 100 % SURE WITH GOLD....I WILL DEMOLISHED IT EVEN WITH MY BARE HANDS......AND PLEASE DON'T BLAME US...WHY WE LEAVE IT UNGUARDED.....bcoz WE HAVE BEEN ALREADY DEBATING AND BLAMING EACH OTHER WITH MY TEAM MEMBERS FOREVER....

? ? ?Anyway...its just another treasure real life story...we still have worst than that....not worth to tell...it only shows....Japs treasure are for real....enough for story telling...SEND IN YOUR DONATIONS....SO THAT? I CAN GIVE YOU TREASURE STORY OF A LIFETIME...

Gboy have you heard of Commander Alibasbas and Commander Roger Rosal He alive and kicking He just live in Manggahan QC. He can show and guard you while digging your traesure in Dumagat.  Those NPA Commander are Marcos organized guard of the treasure so better ask their permssion. Have you ever heard of 24 K Backdoor General. Asked permission to them and the'll show you the way. Goodluck

[metal_jacket64]

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HOLA JEFF: I was in the Phillipines in WW-2,? Cebu to be exact.

 I am curious, why did? the Japanese choose to use the islands to store this metal??

Since it was collected from the Asian areas and in transit, why didn't they just continue on to the homeland where it would be relativey safe and could be handled leasurely??

The High (Generals) Japanese knew early in the war that they could not hold on to the occupied areas, so why build elaborate hiding places to which they probably would not have access to, or even legal right to??

Of course our present fiasco in handing billions of $$US in Iraq, most of which has just disappeared and is unaccounted for, could explain. hehehe.

 Not all generals were as motivated as the subject in one of the posts.

Hi Mr Tayopa, its simple logic why most treasure are hidden in the Philippines. The Americans has bases in the Philippines since 1900. You cannot just simple win a war againts the American in the Philippines. But it proved them wrong when they beat the American in their stronghold. So they thought American will not come back to the Philippines or if they will comeback They can't win againts the Japs which alreary gains a stronghold. So they decided to bury in the Philippines since Philippines is accessible. Since they cannot passed the sea lanes between Japan and Philippines bacause of the US sub are blocking the supply route.

But Gen.Mc Arthur promised He return and recapture the Philippines from Japs so He with full back up. The Atomic bomb scared the hell out it. Thats why they surrender or else they turn the Japs lands into rubles. Don't you think so?



War is all about war booty.

[gboy]

To: Metal Jacket,

      I don't know personally Commander Alibasbas or Ka Roger Rosal, I just heard and saw them on radio or tv....next time on our expedition...we don't need guard anymore.....the best security is......TOTAL SECRECY...

[BADZ]

gboy,

just wondering what kind of a professional TH you are! You claim that you're an experienced TH, full of real treasure sites informations. One that is well verse when it comes to this matter.....
How come you've found and lost a treasure for some miscalculations on your part? Just wondering...........


badz
   

[gboy]

To: Badz,

      Yah, I consider myself professional treasure hunter based on my extensive treasure research experience....failure on concrete and maybe diggings is just an ordinary and normal routine in treasure hunting....becoming professional treasure hunter, you must experience personally and learn ALL these OBSTASCLES/FAILURES/SETBACKS.......actually we consider it not a failure but our treasure success is.. ONLY DELAYED.....ok?
     By the way, whats your treasure hunting story? will it sustain SCRUTINY or RIDICULE in this forum...try it also....and depend your treasure story...kaya mo ba?.

[Badger Bart]

Gboy, Since you've posted your name and address here, it seems to me that your advantage of secrecy is gone. In such a high stakes game as this, you are likely being watched, and any suspicion that you have found anything will bring out the bad guys who will take it away from you again. And maybe even eliminate you.  How will you overcome this possibility? What's to prevent all your data and info from being stolen now, before you get close to any gold? if you hire 'guards', who will protect you from them once you make a find? If you haven't asked yourself these and other similar questions, you need to do that and have a better plan. I have an interested investor, who has looked at this, and their position is that it is very risky at this time. An open forum is not the place to discuss this either. if you stll have my personal email, please respond there. Thanks.

[BADZ]

gboy,
As I've said, I and my group are just plain adventurers and TH is just one of our hobbies. We enjoy detecting only on our free time-during breaks from our hectic business schedules.  Likewise, we are not financiers or operators of any positive sites, if there were..... therefore, I've got no stories to relate on this forum until I've got something interesting to tell
 
________________________________ ground level


             ============ entrance           
             \                         /
              \                       /
               \                     /     
                \                   /   5 meters
                /======== \
               /                     \  == ceiling
              /                       \
             /__               _/__\   5 meters
                 /======_/ \    ===ceiling
                /  : : : : :  _/    \        _/
               /  : :  : :     /       \     _/ wooden stairway
              /___________/___\    5 meters
                     | ::::::: _/ |        ___ceiling
                     |       _ /  |     
                     |_____/__|     2 meters chamber #3.  9 ft x 9 ft x 6 ft
             

Just figure this out if this is credible........ okey?

Badz

[gboy]

To Badz,
     
    Your site look fine...go dig for it....just tell us your story later.

[gboy]

To Badger Bart,

1) How to overcome being monitored?
    I don't....in fact its my intentions and shout to the whole world to monitor me....Its useless for them to monitor me, they will not get anything...the best way is to talk to me and ask where my treasure sites....I AM WILLNG TO PINPOINT SEVERAL OF  MY SITES ANYTIME...ANYWHERE...
    Treasure hunting in P.I is just ordinary and normal...and we have several treasure sites...the most difficult to find are the FINANCIER...

2) How to prevent datas and info from stolen?
    Its useless for them to steal datas and infos from me....why?  I AM WILLING TO GIVE ALL THE DATAS AND INFOS THEY WANT AS LONG THEY FINANCE OUR SITES....they want treasure maps? we can give them,how many they want? as long as they are serious to finance it...no problem with me... 

3) How to prevent our find?
    Aaaaahhhh, thats a different story if we already have treasure....change address,celfone,identity...etc...I have the advantage bcoz they do not know when I will get treasure....hopefully soon...

4) What if they operate our site without us?
     Ex: Sierra madre treasure sites....even if they use satellite imaging,mining airborne geophysics...they will not find our treasure cave sites...why? Simple, there are hundreds positive sites in that area...they can't locate our exact treasure sites, they will be confuse...in fact, in the the 90's mining company explore the area using airborne geophysics...they where confused...bcoz every place is sparkling, so many sites...besides if you don't have live pointer guide,even if you put 10,000 troops to comb the area, you wil not find it due to density of the jungle....there are also armed groups in the area... 

   Any questions...or ready to finance me now....pls. hurry.

[BADZ]

gboy,
it has been dug!
the sketch is not a map. it's the actual contour of the hole that was filled up with back fill.  all the diggers did was remove the backfill and eureka!!!!
I was not part of the team who excavated it.  I was just hired to detect the site and fortunately I detected it correctly...... no more no less.
it was the talked of the town and maybe province wide because it was broadcasted in the radio for a week. it turned messy at the end!


badz

[RealdeTayopa]

Gboy:
"they want my information they can just finance me"

A) Frankly you puzzle me.? You apparantly have never heard of the little techniques used to obtain information or control such as practiced by our local narcotic? growers for far less money.? Such as having your fingernails removed one by one, or your testicles? slowly crushed with pliers, and on.? In other words only in the movies can one resist dedicated questioning.

 Here, to only intimidate the local farmers to let them use their land, they simply chop off arms or kill entire families. What the greedy ones could dig up to obtain your information could be quite interesting.

I, personally, am only all too aware of this problem.

Also they do not need your information, they can just watch you, then when you have brought it out to easy accessibility,? just gently? (?) remove the problem of disposal of the Gold from you.
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On your concrete boxes, how did you/they remove the gold?? Was it cast in with the concrete or were they loose?? ?If cast they were an integral part of the concrete and so much much have been torn off to remain with the concrete pieces, no? (yes I know, take all of the concrete with them, hehehe)

Incidentally, 2 tons of? gold would occupy only 1.66? cu. ft.? The rest of the box/vault?

 If loose there must have been evidence of a loading point - door?
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In one post (243) they removed the Gold with 5 carts -? the other (66) with 4 carts??
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In (66) the laboreres removed the Gold, in the other (243) armed men did?
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In one post you did not have one or two days food, this after obtaining a permit whch cost $20,000 pesos, plus the rental of an expensive truck, plus three laborers, etc.?

 Surely you must have had 10 -15 pesos left over for food?? I suspect that the owner of the ranch must have had something that he would have shared with you, especially after seeing the concrete? "vault"

I , myself,? have gone without water 3 days at? a time in my explorations throughout the world,? once without food for some days.? If I had had the excitment of what you supposedly had, I could have easily gone another day or so.

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One must admit that there are some descrepencies, which makes one remember the old adage? "Always speak the truth then you do not have to remember the details".


JOSE de La Mancha (I tilt windmills)

[gboy]

Hello Realde,

You are really curious with my exploits in finding treasure concrete vault...that's good it only means, maybe after answering your doubts , you can finance me? just kidding I know for skeptics like you, cannot be convince, no matter what kind of explanations I will explain....simply bcoz you don't believe japs treasure exist...anyway here are my answers to your doubts...

1) 2 tons of gold would occufy 1.6 cu ft, the rest of box or vault?
    The concrete is aprox. 6 cu.ft look like a refrigerator....during war,in a hurry/retreat and without steel box or vault in the remote area, the Japs simply PUT / MIX / MOLDED the gold bars with concrete, some they buried it, some they put it exposed hoping some locals may not notice it...indeed it was not noticed for 60 years..until our group notice it later...

2) if loose, there must be exixtence of loading point door?
     What are you talking about loading point door? the gold bars was simply PUT/ MIX / MOLDED into refrigerator size concrete...thats it, no more no less !!  ....its just a simple job, your imagination is so vague, you make things complicated... 

3) 4 or 5 carts, laborers or armed men?
     Here we go again....., I explain these several times...when we left the area, the concrete vault was still there, when we came back a few days later, it was torn / broken into pieces, we even notice among the broken pieces of concrete molded shape of 75 kg bars usually 4"  X 4" X 16 "....when we investigate the neighbors, some say they carted it with 4  carts, some say maybe 5 (they do it at night), some say by laborers, some say by armed  men of local politician...HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? WE WERE NOT THERE WHEN THEY BREAK IT....ONE THING FOR SURE...THERE WAS GOLD BARS....AND IT WAS GONE...PERIOD...OK? ..... don't blame us...we have been doing that later for almost 6 months...

4) No food for 2 days? and yet have budget for treasure permit 20,000 pesos?
    When we went to Sierra madre, our budget was 20,000 pesos, the area is more or less 500 kilometers from our city place, we spent 2.5T for fares going to area, 10T for food/expenditures for almost 2 weeks stay in the area, when we got a tip of c.v. we hire logging truck for 5T, NO MORE FOOD BUDGET DURING THE TIME,WHEN WE SAW THE CONCRETE, the remaining 2.5T is reserved our fare going home....we expect we still have plenty of rice in my friend place, unfortunately it still palay (undried rice), thats why we are delayed....BESIDE WE DO NOT HAVE TREASURE PERMIT THAT COST 20,000 PESOS, IT IS NOT NEEDED IN THE AREA...
    Why we are not excited and break it away? During that moment we are NOT 100% SURE if it has gold in it (we do not have metal detector), its like an ordinary routine for several years, bcoz we have been bringing several suspected "concrete vaults" to our area and found nothing....and suddenly there's a concrete when turned out later to have gold...the rest is history...

DO YOU EXPECT ME TO TELL YOU, A VERY PRECISE TREASURE STORY LIKE A NOVEL?....HEY ! I have several treasure story to tell regarding my treasure exploits.....and I don't have the time to tell all.....espcially to skeptics...ok?   

[RealdeTayopa]

Hello Realde,

Y...its just a simple job, your imagination is so vague, you make things complicated...?

A)? yep I do don't I??

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HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? WE WERE NOT THERE WHEN THEY BREAK IT....

A)? Quote, post 259, #2,?" We showed them the treasure permit, they just tore it up and took the Gold--"-.

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4...BESIDE WE DO NOT HAVE TREASURE PERMIT THAT COST 20,000 PESOS, IT IS NOT NEEDED IN THE AREA...


a) See above!
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DO YOU EXPECT ME TO TELL YOU, A VERY PRECISE TREASURE STORY LIKE A NOVEL?...

A)? No, just consistant ones
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.....and I don't have the time to tell all.....espcially to skeptics...ok?? ?

A) apparantly you "do"  have all of the time iin the world, since you have been doing nothing in the 2 years of your posts??

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P.S.  A "professional" is one that earns his living doing something--where have you earned a single Peso treasure hunting in the two years of your posts?  This makes you an amatuer or --???


Jse de La Mmancha  (I tilt windmills)

[arch]

Guys,
     Anyone of you knows about water and sand traps. Im not a treasure hunter, it just happened that we found something that made us realize that we may have a treasure buried under our house. At 12 feet to 18 feet deep we encountered what they call "water and sand trap". Maybe those of you who are veterans of the Yama#@!$%#@!a gold can help me explain this and advise me how to handle this "TRAP".... THANKS!

[gboy]

To: Realde,

Actually there were two incidents almost the same setting.One with treasure permit that was tear down(cement vault type of treasure also) and the other without treasure permit in Sierra Madre (cement vault). In fact there are several incidents (cement vault/rock boulder treasure stories) thru more than 20 years of treasure hunting with our group that is already tiring to tell.

You tell me I'm already two years in this forum and doing nothing but just posting? Excuse me.. . I just started last year...Doing nothing? WHAT ABOUT MY LATEST UPDATE IN SIERRA MADRE TREASURE SITES....was it just nothing?...it is WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS...and we work hard for it to gather that kind of information....

How about you Realde, can you produce even just one open treasure cave (or just fiction story)....NOT EVEN IN YOUR DREAMS OR IMAGINATION...you can't even tell a simply...coin hunting story...

You have a lots of ENDLESS questions and doubts regarding Japs treasure story? THATS YOUR PROBLEM..YOUR TOO LAZY TO RESEARCH AND EXPLORE...It took us several years of extensive research, treasure exploration/hunting to GATHER THIS KIND OF JAPS TREASURE INORMATION...ok?? ....or maybe your just ENVIOUS of our sites...bcoz we had an ADVENTURE OF A LIFETIME... while your are just in your armchair posting this forum, drooling (for more treasure stories) .....!

Your NOT a treasure hunter/explorer/researcher...definitely not a funder....So what are you? Just a SKEPTIC OR CRITIC (some people are born this way)....they add spices and glamour to ADVENTURERS AND EXPLORERS like us...ISN'T?

[BADZ]

Arch,
I don't know what a water and sand trap is. If your location is along the coastal area or near a river or a creek or whereas the water level in your area is shallow, definitely you encounter such water and sand between 12 feet to 18 feet deep.
I would suggest that you use a detector to determine whether your excavation has a treasure or not. If you don't have a detect,  use a drill sampler.
A few years way back, I found a cement block size 4' w x 8' L x 1 meter thick, with steel wrapped around it at 3 meters deep. The water level was at 2-1/2 meters deep only. We tried to extract it by using a backhoe and a 40 tonner crane. We tried to dewater the excavated area by using 2 4" water pump but to no avail.  The water pressuring was so strong....and we loss the cement block when we tried to lift it off! it just vanished. just like a quick sand.
I don't know if this is what they call a water and sand trap is


badz

[RealdeTayopa]

[quote author=gboy


Actually there were two incidents almost the same setting.One with treasure permit that was tear down(cement vault type of treasure also) and the other without treasure permit in Sierra Madre (cement vault). In fact there are several incidents (cement vault/rock boulder treasure stories) thru more than 20 years of treasure hunting with our group that is already tiring to tell.

Q)? QUE: how about a successful recovery story of some kind.

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...Doing nothing? WHAT ABOUT MY LATEST UPDATE IN SIERRA MADRE TREASURE SITES....was it just nothing?...it is WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS...and we work hard for it to gather that kind of information....

Q) Upate?? what changes have taken place or new information?
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How about you Realde, can you produce even just one open treasure cave (or just fiction story)....NOT EVEN IN YOUR DREAMS OR IMAGINATION...you can't even tell a simply...coin hunting story...

A) Nope, I have no coin hunting stories, just the successful search and finding of the Legendary mines of Tayopa and the uncovering of the international plot by the Jesuits and Dutch to take the North Amercas away from Spain. - unless you consider the finding of 7 mule loads of silver coins a coin jhunting story, but that was only 650 kilos of coins. No cave stories either, but,? how about 610 mule loads of Gold bars from Jesuit records with the site located and owned?? On todays market worth only approx. $600,000,000 US dollars, not even one single Billion? ?sigh.

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? ....or maybe your just ENVIOUS of our sites...bcoz we had an ADVENTURE OF A LIFETIME... while your are just in your armchair posting this forum, drooling (for more treasure stories) .....!

A)? ?See? acompanying picture.? ? "www.explorers.org"? ? There are approx. 1500 of us world wide, This was a boyhood dream come true. ? You do not "just" join this group, "THEY" elect? you into it based upon your? record of exploration or accomplishment.? We work with the Smithzonian and National Geographic? in explorations and expeditions.? So much for armchair adventuring and expeditions.

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Your NOT a treasure hunter/explorer/researcher...you? Just a SKEPTIC OR CRITIC (some people are born this way)....they add spices and glamour to ADVENTURERS AND EXPLORERS like us...ISN'T?


A)? See above, no comment needed.


Jose de La Mancha? (I tilt windmlls)

[nugget]

COMMENT TO GBOY AND REALDE:
you two are both different treasure hunters.....gboy hunts for money...(to be rich).....while realde hunts for fame...(popularity)...a seat in the history of mankind!, like he said for his famous sponsors.....so gboy,,,the less you defend yourself, the less you will be criticized, though i beleive your story, it will
be just a matter of time. the problem with our goal is, not for the world to be known that we found the billion cache, because so many war victims
will come out to claim something....so most probably...nothings come out even if theres a successful recovery of some sort....secondly this will endanger
your life and your family....by then gold/fame cannot be exchanged for a peace of life...unless you will give it to the poor,,,or....you can announce your billion recovery to the world, if you have the highest position in the goverment of the republic...e.g. marcos.......so be patient kabayan, you will find an anonymous sponsor soon, not the famous sponsors, and by then your dream will be realized.......to realde....may you have many more discoveries to
make, but be humble man...peace!

in this forum its much better if we help one another achieve our individual goals, not pull one another to downfall!

[RealdeTayopa]

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COMMENT TO GBOY AND REALDE:
you two are both different treasure hunters.....gboy hunts for money...(to be rich).....while realde hunts for fame...(popularity)...a seat in the history of mankind!, like he said for his famous sponsors


A? HI Nugget, I agree with you, however I am attempting to get gboy to be consistant in his data, "not" to destroy him.? ?Believe me I know what it is to try to get a backer.? I have "never" found one since The Tayopa story was? considered just too far out and only a legend similar to the King Solomons mines of Africa.

These are simply questions that any intelligent backer would ask.? If he can't be consistant or answer them , then this would partially explain his lack of finding a backer so far.

As for my famous sponsers?? who or what? might that? be??? I have never received any help or a peso from anyone,? I? have had to do this? by "myself" over many years.? I am also in this for fun, a buck,? and yes, fame.? But? in fact, yes,? I really can use? a buck? (lots of bucks) snifff.. hehehe


 Although I know exactly where the deposit is, I cannot touch it because it is so isolated and in the center of? Narcotic plantings and? a few scattered? guerilla bands, not counitng the various? criminals hidng out in the area....I could never move it by truck without being hijacked or worse. I need a helicopter.

Any sponsers out there to finance this?? hehehe

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so be patient kabayan, you will find an anonymous sponsor soon, not the famous sponsors, and by then your dream will be realized.

A)? See above about famouis sponsers, sigh .? Yes I agree, one must have dreams, no matter how impossible they may seem or difficult to reach, and if one doesn't at least try, one has no room to complain.? I, and others,? have suggested that gboy not set his sights so high and go for more sure (?)? smalll ones to personally finance himself.? This is what I had to do.

He should sort what he actually has, present the most feasable one to an investor, and be consistant in the known details!? He also should look for a small one himself, not wait for an investor for the big one.

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.......to realde....may you have many more discoveries to
make, but be humble man...peace!

A) I am on the trail of others right now, simply because I presently can't easily recover the existing one, does not mean that I should drop everything.

As for being humble, I am not known for having an inflated ego. The Tayopa data was mentioned because gboy asked what have I done besides sit in an armchair.

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Jose de La Mancha (I tilt wndmills)

[gboy]

To: Realde,

1) You want an update of Japs treasure?
    How about we have found .... 2 or 3 sites every month? 100+ sites in our inventory .... Does your "claim" Mining group can find 2 or 3 mine site a month...I don't think so.....Do you really want to see cave gold bars stockfile of our old folks? WE HAVE ! But we are not ready for armed conflict, bcoz there are armed groups/politician/military roaming along the way.....just why we choose other less hostile open cave treasure site.

2) Beside we have also mining claim 500 hectares....we started documentation since 2 years ago...WE found 62 grams per metric ton  at TOP SOIL (sand/rock sample - Assay of Bureu of Mines)...we will use this mine claim later as front for processing treasure gold bars...(we concentrate in gold bars not mine gold sand which is tedius work)
what your assay in your mine?.... 5 gram per metric ton.....10 g/mt maybe?...TSK, TSK.

3) You showed me Explorers group? Whats that...never heard...Japs or Yama#@!$%#@!a treasure hunters is more famous with lots of websites?....Read Marcos gold book,Asian Loot,Tigers Treasure, Yamato Dynasty, Gold warriors....we are there...secretly.

4) By the way, your in the depensive now! FINALLY, SOMEBODY QUESTIONING YOUR CREDIBILITY AND MINE "HOAX" STORY....Do you think we will easily believe your Mining claim story......NO WAY .... TELL YOUR STORY TO THE MARINES...!!!!

THE PROBLEM WITH YOU REALDE, WE ARE JAPS TREASURE HUNTERS with extensive experience and research...AND YET YOU QUESTION OUR CREDIBILITY AND STORY.....How can you do that if you yourself is not a JAPS TREASURE HUNTER and have NO knowledge what so ever of Japs Treasure? If I were you, READ, RESEARCH AND EXPLORE JAPS TREASURE first....that way you could be worthy CRITIC or NUISANCE...

If you claim to be MINER (we don't believe anyway), get out our Japs treasure post and.....GO POST YOUR OWN MINE CLAIM...OK? or maybe you already did it.... and nobody bother to read anymore....ooops ...

To: Treasure Hunters,
     Sorry for the incovenience....a uninvited miner wanted to debate with japs treasure hunter in Yamash-ita post.....wrong move...

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