2006 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( JAPS) TREASURE

[Ocean7]

it was quite interesting and revealed some fascinating bits of information about this so-called treasure.
Of note were the following:

a) there is an industry in the Philippines selling bogus maps of supposed treasure cache sites

b) there is a industry selling fake gold bars to TH'ers

c) the American who claimed to have seen a map with 172 sites was a con-man with a known record for gold-related cons

d) F. Marcos created and perpetrated the myth surrounding all the gold supposed found to "cover" the fact that he was taking gold from Central Bank in Philippines. Over 7 tons of gold are unaccounted for by the their Central Bank. F. Marcos was a very sly crook!

e) a whole industry is supported by TH'ers going there and hiring out local help to dig holes all over the place. It feeds the tourist industry and BOGUS TH'er investment industry. That is why the government over there does not try to discredit this whole story.

f) many natives actually believe they have real maps and spend many wasted hours looking for bogus treasure.

g) one group of TH'ers spent almost 1 million dollars using the supposed map showing 172 cache sites from the Am. con-artist who claimed to have personally been involved in uncovering some of the sites for Marcos. They dug nothing but dry holes and lots of dirt. Two natives (hired out) were killed by a cave-in on one dig.

h) it is generally believed by experts that a treasure once existed and has been recovered.

i) occasionally, salted finds would appear in the news, and generate renewed zeal and interest in digging those millions in gold supposedly left behind by the Japanese.

Draw your own conclusions!?

[czman]

I was there  in 69 an 70 and all the people was trying to sell something or make money off of something...poor country there president and his wife stole it all.

[Ocean7]

hey Jeff that's pretty funny!?

BTW - this site has a filter that takes all four letter curse words and converts to "NULL". It is NOT
Yamanulla's Gold - replace 'null' with last 4 characters of B.S. to get correct japanese name.

y-a-m-a-s-h-i-t-a !!!! Oh heck I can get around that... fixed it!?

[Albert Osborn]

There is gold in the Phillipines.  I only checked around Manila and found 6 deposits, but 4 of them
have been retrieved. I can't vouch for the remainder of the islands because I checked only around
the Manila area. I don't plan to do any treasure hunting there, but if you want a map checked,
then contact me.

Howso is my name and dowsing is my game

[Teburshock]

I'm from the Philippines, I'm from Malaybalay City. If you're from the Philippines and you're a TH'er you'll know that Malaybalay city is the capital of con artist of gold, Manhattan box, victory money, you name it they'll make it. Dalawangan is the place to get con. I'm a guy what most Filipinos calls "native" or "nitibo" in our language which a derogatory word. My cousin died in digging holes. Treasure Hunthing here is a business. I've seen fake gold's bars, real gold bars, fake manhattan box, assorted precious stone. I've meet some living witness that knows where the treasure is, I've meet some pastor who believe that they can see where the thing is, you don't need a GPR.  I've meet  the guy who makes them(fakes), I've meet the guys who sell them. some are  already dead for obvious reason. some are in jail. some are free waiting for new victim. I've seen the holes where some got treasure, holes that they got none  I guess unless you've seen something real thats then you believe. I believe that there is a Yamas-h-i-t-a treasure, i believe that there are some cache treasure made by some greedy Japanese officer. I believe that there are still more gold here waiting to be found.
and yes MARCOS may have stolen a lot of money from our country but we have a good road nice bridges and other projects and more projects during his time than the preceding president. I'm not pro marcos or anyhing ... but that is life here in my my country there are lot's of corrupt official, con artist, criminals just like other countries.  if you're doin' a THing here in my country just be careful who you trust... Teburshock

[jeff of pa]

WELCOME TEBURSHOCK & Thank You For your Honesty. Sounds like you got a good head on your Shoulders. Just don't forget to take your own advice, and BE CAREFULL. Let us know how you make out ; Jeff

[boylara]

hello... the Mystery of Yamash_ita treasure is just a mystery for the peole who din't know the real story.. One thing i am sure of is real and its there..because of GREED it is hidden the the eyes of the people....... Don't worry we will be posting actual pictures and videos in the future for your info... Here in the Philippines most of the people knows the story because its real....

[Teburshock]

Thanks Jeff. its not really that bad here.. THing here is a living for some people. they dig for food, they doesn't care if they find something or not, as long as they have food its ok.

How the Treasure Hunting is Organize here;
The Financier
The owner/Map Holder
The Digger
The Dicer
The Trusties
The Buyer
The Con man could fit anywhere here, but financier or buyer.

Treasure Hunthing here is not illegal, but selling and buying the treasure highly illegal, selling drugs is much easier to do .

I'm not into treasure hunting (though I know some treasure site) . I love my work even if my wage is only $60 a month. If I have the right tools why not.

"many natives actually believe they have real maps and spend many wasted hours looking for bogus treasure."? if I make $60 a month, how much do you think those "natives" make in a month? $20 or $30 maybe $10 I'm pretty sure some makes only $5.? do you think people won't spent or waste their time looking for gold just to have better life?

A sample picture of a gold recovered in the Philippines:
http://www.treasurenow.com/html/GoldBar.html

 "h) it is generally believed by experts that a treasure once existed and has been recovered."
most people here don't believe that. "experts" says this, expert says that, they even have not gone out from their office to see the facts. I say its 60% more or less remain unrecover. This for sure; The Philippines government will Deny the existence of Yamas-h-i-ta Treasure not because they make money out of the foolish foreigner who invest here(i'm not saying everybody is foolish, some got what they came here for just ask? Albert Osborn.), but because the countries that Japanese hoard their treasure will claim it. That is why most politician blame Marcos got all his money, gold from our central bank and not from treasure hunting.

I wonder why during the term of Marcos, when I was in elementary our library was filled with books. we have some American books, i even read Hardy Boys, nancy drew. Now, our main public elementary school where I teach, they don't even have a library. I just wonder why, what happen.

For those who wants to come here and do treasure hunting Just tell me i'll guide you. NO financing and the likes just bring your MD. we might find something interesting.

Anyways Treasure Hunting is our hobby, this is what we love to do. I hope we have luck in finding what we are looking for.

[gboy]

To Fellow Hunters,
    Cmon guys, you heard a lot con men, bad guys, selling fakes gold, maps and etc...connected with Yamas-h-i-t-a Treasure.... hey guys its PART of the curse, betrayal, mystery, difficulty and risk in treasure hunting......danger and risk is just normal and ordinary.... watch Indiana Jones movies, from beginning to end the story is full of bad guys...name it they have it all...its the same with Yamas-h-i-t-a treasure(world biggest treasure)......its full of adventure.....nobody said it was easy anyway......if you enter this game...always be prepared !

[butz]

Hey jeff, okay man, you rule... People here has not read my post.

[jeff of pa]

I agree with you 100% Gboy on your statemet, but forgive me for this ; I kind of think the Phillippines & Yamas-h-itas Gold is alittle more dreaming then reality. JUST MY OPINION ; jeff

[jeff of pa]

Butz, when you post something that does not look like a PERSONAL attack, against someone,  I will leave it there ,

[butz]

Ok jeff, you have rights to your own opinion. Wait for my next post, I will be posting a treasure map from the escape route of yama-s-h-ita.

[jeff of pa]

NOW that I'd like to see

[butz]

Not now, i have not brought the map with me. I am in a net cafe. ok.

[jeff of pa]

DO THEY SERVE COFFEE WITH THAT COMPUTER ? 

[Ocean7]

oh I forgot one and added it above:
i) occasionally, salted finds would appear in the news, and generate renewed zeal and interest in digging those millions in gold supposedly left behind by the Japanese.

Let say for sake of argument, it still exists and is worth billions. Do you think any government in the world is really going to let you take that kind of money out of their country, and not claim it as their money???

Those who have something to gain from this treasure tale, be it selling maps, or whatever - will never admit to the "prospect"ive customer that this could all be acomplete fabrication, and that they would be better served to light cigars with $100 bills. Least they'd get to see their $ burn up into smoke.

Buyer beware! As for the others... well

"You cannot save a fool from himself".

[gboy]

To Ocean7,
    Ragarding your question? "Do you think any gov't in the world is really going to let you take that kind of money out of this country, and not claim it as their money?"    Yes !!  Of course there is one country that claim it as their own it is....USA...when our deposed President Marcos fled to U.S after the revolution, the U.S. Custom confiscated from Marcos wads of gold bullion certificates worth hundred billion dollars in SWISS banks deposits...its headline in the world news regarding the confiscation of Gold Certificate in 1986......the U.S. claimed it to be  fake and never return the gold certificates to the filipino people...WHY...because the USA get interest with the GOLD.....Do you think a deposed President carry a FAKE Gold Certificate worth billion of dollars....I don't think so !!....How do you think our former president get that kind of huge thousand tons gold ? beyond our mining production??  simple YAMAS-H-I-T-A Treasure !!.....read history man...its there...ok?

To Jeff Pa,
     I understand your negative opinion regarding the Philippines and YAMAS-H-I-T-A treasure. Its is normal for a foreigner like you to have a biased opinion because YOU GUYS NEVER KNEW OUR HISTORY, YAMASH-i-T-A GOLD, MARCOS, WW2 JAPS LOOT and etc...

[jeff of pa]

To Ocean7,
? ? Ragarding your question? "Do you think any gov't in the world is really going to let you take that kind of money out of this country, and not claim it as their money?"? ? Yes !!? Of course there is one country that claim it as their own it is....USA...when our deposed President Marcos fled to U.S after the revolution, the U.S. Custom confiscated from Marcos wads of gold bullion certificates worth hundred billion dollars in SWISS banks deposits...its headline in the world news regarding the confiscation of Gold Certificate in 1986......the U.S. claimed it to be? fake and never return the gold certificates to the filipino people...WHY...because the USA get interest with the GOLD.....Do you think a deposed President carry a FAKE Gold Certificate worth billion of dollars....I don't think so !!....How do you think our former president get that kind of huge thousand tons gold ? beyond our mining production??? simple YAMAS-H-I-T-A Treasure !!.....read history man...its there...ok?

To Jeff Pa,
? ? ?I understand your negative opinion regarding the Philippines and YAMAS-H-I-T-A treasure. Its is normal for a foreigner like you to have a biased opinion because YOU GUYS NEVER KNEW OUR HISTORY, YAMASH-i-T-A GOLD, MARCOS, WW2 JAPS LOOT and etc...

                                                                                                      I'll give you that GBOY . thats why I said "I THINK", and not. "I KNOW"  .  I'll stay away from your political statement to OCEAN, not that I don't agree with your reasoning

[Ocean7]

as for 'real' history, perhaps you should read some yourself...
Let's start at these couple sites, and I'll quote some info.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/subic_bay.htm
"US forces abandoned Clark Air Base and Subic Bay Naval Base after the Philippine
government voted not to renew a basing agreement in 1992."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Marcos
"Marcos can be considered the quintessential kleptocrat, with billions of dollars
supposedly looted from the Filipino treasury which have yet to be accounted for. "

http://www.op.gov.ph/museum/pres_marcos.asp
"Evidence subsequently emerged that during his year in power, Marcos, his family,
and his close associates had looted the Philippines economy of billions of dollars
through embezzlements and other corrupt practices. Marcos and his wife were
subsequently indicted by the U.S. government on racketeering charges.
After a trial a year later, Imelda won acquittal by the board of jury.
Imelda return to the Philippines to face the charges against her and her family."

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761557463/Ferdinand_Marcos.html
"When the Marcoses left the Philippines, the country was burdened with $27 billion
in external debt and was in a deep economic recession."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imelda_Marcos
"The controversy centers around approximately $600 million that mysteriously
"disappeared" from the Filipino treasury during the Marcos presidency.
Most believe the wealth was stolen by the Marcos family and stashed in
their Swiss bank account. Imelda denies the charges."
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My answer:

No the Philippines would claim any hordes of gold found there, not the US. You or
anyone who uncovers that kind of gold will probably end up in prison or dead. IMO.

By one account, Marcos supposedly looted "billions of dollars" from the Filipino
treasury.
By another account, $600 million "disappeared" from the Filipino treasury & was
stashed in a Swiss bank account. Realize he could have converted cash into
gold to eliminate a paper trail of activities. Most countries are glad to take gold
instead of cash.

Since the Philippines is a gold producing country, and since tons of gold are missing and
unaccounted for from the Filipino treasury when Marcos ruled - I think it's rather
obvious where he got the gold. Math below will show that approx. 6.5 tons would
equal a billion in US dollars.

And I might add the the US was paying the Philippines millions to have two military
bases in the Philippines. Many of these millions were not used for the betterment
of the Philippines, but rather for Marcos' personal fortunes according to another
program aired on the History Channel about the Marcos' rise and fall.
Perhaps this is myth.

No, I don't think a deposed President would knowingly carry FAKE Gold Certificates
unless he was duped by the many other crooks that he must have been dealing with.
But if they were real, I would submit that he tried to ripoff the US and ultimately
failed in the end.
As with anyone (Marcos) who has total power and control over a country - they
can rob it blind and leave little or no tangible proof behind. Still a perfect crime
is usually impossible to totally conceal.

Perhaps none of this is true and all the gold Marcos had was YAMAS-H-I-T-A's gold.
Somebody is lying big time here. I'll put my money on F. Marcos!!!

Lastly, since I can't imagine F. Marcos placing all his eggs in one basket - perhaps the
smart money is really looking for the "F. Marcos" gold stashed about the Philippines.
Now that I might buy...

$420.00 = oz. gold
16 oz = pound
1 ton = 2240 lbs
35840 oz. per ton
$15,052,800 = ton of gold
6.5 tons gold = 1 billion US $ dollars

[Teburshock]

Last Dec. 2004, somebody ask me to look for a buyer for a Platinum bar, 18"x5"x4" and it weighs 55 kg. I got a buyer. He bought it. He paid around 30 million pesos. they gave me finders fee, enough to make me smile.
$1=P56
Now, does philippines make platinum bar? I don't know.
does philippines has their own platinum mining? I don't know.
did the seller or buyer went to prison or found dead? No, the buyer was licenced treasure hunter(yes licence treasure hunter) and he deposited his boot in the central bank, yes philippine central bank and no, they didn't confiscate it. the seller now has his own new car. and now a licence treasure hunter.
was the bar a part of of yamash-i-ta treasure? I don't think so, he did not have his name on it.

Yamash-i-ta treasure or not they makes money. we discuss  here if its true or not. but we're not the one who's making money.

[welfred]

Hi guys!

To be balance in your opinion regarding Yama-s-hita's treasure here in Philippines, try to read the  book written by a Filipino  Eric San Juan entitled "Marcos Legacy Revisited: Raiders of the Lost Gold".  It might help you find what you're looking for.

[butz]

jeff of pa: sorry but i am having a haard time posting the map i have here, it's about the memory maybe.


ocean7: Ferdinand Marcos is Philippines Greatest President, thats a FACT.

[butz]

try visiting figure.8m.com. These are American based buyers of yama#@!$%#@!as gold in the philippines backed by CIAs.

[gboy]

To Ocean7,
     
     You have READ A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ! Of couse, the world gold community specially Swiss bank, will NOT TELL YOU the real source of gold. We are a small country do you think we can bully the Swiss banks to tell the REAL gold story? I don't think so !... Remember even the U.S. it took them 50 YEARS!!!!  to squeeze the Swiss Banks to reveal the bank account of holucoast victims or NAZI victims....Read book: Marcos gold, Gold Warriors, and other Yamash-i-t-a books...you will know the TRUTH....WE ARE FILIPINOS AND WE KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN TO OUR COUNTRY.....don't lecture us re Japs treasure and Marcos gold...pls....bcoz you don't know NOTHING......you are just an OUTSIDE OBSERVER.....ok?

[Teburshock]

Guys check this out,
http://philnetresearch.tripod.com/index.html

[Teburshock]

also this, check this out.

http://members.aol.com/curgold/index.html

[Ocean7]

guess what guys? I really don't care one way or another. If I've saved one person from being "CONNED" - then I am satisfied! Not that either of you would fall into that category.
Go find your gold - dig some for me!

[jeff of pa]

jeff of pa: sorry but i am having a haard time posting the map i have here, it's about the memory maybe.


ocean7: Ferdinand Marcos is Philippines Greatest President, thats a FACT.

                                    Sorry BUTZ, I can't help you with that one. it's beyond what I understand about Computers.

[gboy]

To Ocean7,
     
       I understand your concern regarding CON MEN OR BAD GUYS IN YAMASH-I-T-A Treasure....pls. be understand that this is the BIGGEST TREASURE OF ALL.....the huge reward alone is enough to be a MAGNET for ALL THE VILLAINS AND SCUMBUGS OF THE WORLD !!....so its just normal and ordinary to encounter this kind of people.....if you enter this quest...be prepared like Indiana Jones..OK?

[gboy]

To: Dekalb33,
     KEEP COOL !!! Why your VERY VERY ANGRY Are you still in your state of mind Are you one of the victim of those CON MEN ?? RELAX...take a deeeeeep breath !!! Your barking at a wrong tree !!! Maybe your jealous of our BIG VOLUME treasure sites? Bcoz your treasure sites are maybe just gold dust, nuggets, delapidated coins, indian arrows, bullet slugs or simply old indian or cowboy metal junks ? Why your SO SO UPSET ?? This is a treasure forum.....this is a place where people are interested in treasure...so why your DROOLING with anger RELAAAAAAAX.......FIND YOUR OWN GOOD AND BIG VOLUME TREASURE SITES AND LETS DISCUSS IT HERE.....IT WILL NOT HELP YOU BEING JEALOUS WITH OUR SITES...OK?     

[jeff of pa]

are You getting any closer to the Treasure yet ? I'm waiting to see some Pictures 

[Ocean7]

Jeff - aw come on now.. 

[jeff of pa]

Don't ya think, they should post some OCEAN  some nice SHINEY GOLD BARS 

[Ocean7]

perhaps they are buffing the gold to make really shiny just for the picture? 

[jeff of pa]

COOL !!! Is the Paint dry on it yet ?? ?? ?Just Kidding.? ? I'm hopeing it's real? send me a few? ? HAPPY HUNTING ; jeff

[Siegfried Schlagrule]

HEADS UP -  Gold Sales - gold is sold in troy ounces and troy pounds. There are twelve troy ounces to a troy pound. If you are selling 16 avoirdupois ounces per each pound for the official gold price then you are ripping yourself off bigtime. exanimo, ss

[gboy]

To: All Japs treasure hunters,

     Our team will explore this Ist quarter of this year 2005, treasure projects: DUMAGAT SECRET TREASURE 1 & 2. These sites were found in the middle of the jungle of Sierra madre mountains. The search area is 30 square kilometer, visibility 3-5 meters, timetable more or less 2 months, the TREASURE: Dumagat secret treasure 1 ( aprox. 300 tons gold), DUMAGAT SECRET TREASURE 2 ( aprox. 200 tons gold). The treasure were found inside the cave.
BRIEF HISTORY: Local guides were able to go inside the treasure cave and personally SAW the treasures, SCOPE OF WORK: try to retrace the path of the local native guides who were able to saw the treasure cave. PROBLEM: We lack camping and climbing logistics to recover the treasure....For those treasure hunters out there who are interested with Japs treasure, we are accepting donations, even if its used, 2nd hand or new equipment...or small amount.

1) GPS (global positioning system), GARMIN-RHINO 130
2) 2-way radio (5-8 mile)
3) Digital camera with zoom or ordinary camera with zoom
4) Nokia celfones
5) medium size back packs
6) 4 man size tents
7) hiking shoes (waterproof-semi hi cut) and hiking sandals: (U.S. size: 8 & 9)
portable camping stove
9) portable water filter
10) telescope 20x  or more
11) helmet with lamps
12) canned goods

CLIMBING GEARS (4 man team)
1) climbing static rope 100 meters
2) sit harness 
3) ascenders
4) descenders (figure 8, stop descender)
5) carabiners 

If we succeed with our treasure projects our group is willing to SHARE our treasure for our donors. For those who are interested to donate their used, second hand or new equipment you may email me at : gergio2004@yahoo.com, celfone: +63 9103216315   look Gboy.
For those who believe in DREAMS...this is our time to do it, it is not easy...with lots of prayers...we can do it.

[butz]

Hey guys,

        Have you watch the documentary feature in the National Geographic Channel about the Yamas-h-i-ta Treasure? Try to search for it in the National Geographic website, I just watched it on TV last Friday night (Philippine Time). It's for you to decide what you believe about the Treasure of Yamas-h-i-ta. There is also this book authored by Sterling Seagrave about the US affairs in our country.

Hey Gboy,

        We will be somewhere in Isabela. Our men already opened the tunnel and we only have to get rid of the booby traps and bring out some shiny yellow metals in there. Goodluck to your group man, take care out there.

[gboy]

TO: Noble Metal,
     Your deep concern and doubts regarding Yamash-i-t-a (Japs) Treasure is well taken and noted. However, I think your research and understanding regarding this Japs treasure which you claim to be eight years...I think is NOT ENOUGH. My old folks (Chief Intelligence officer, Lt.Col) during WW2, STARTED interrogating Japs regarding treasure immediately after the end of the war. YES, they already identified treasure sites since 1945, Capt. Marcos (former Phil. president) was just his junior officer. In 1965, when Marcos was president,they formed a treasure hunting group....they recovered several hundred thousand bars...up to 1987 during the revolution. HOW DO WE KNOW? WE HAVE 9 BILLION PESO TREASURE SHARE IN ASIAN BANK ACCOUNT( Document is still with me)....of course all those transaction was SECRET...I was young then. After the revolution ALL OUR ASSETS WERE CONFISCATED BY CORY AND FVR regime. MY OLD MAN DIED PENNILESS....but he informed us all big and small treasure sites were later on confirmed by the sightings of the natives....If our asset had not been confiscated...we could have studied HARVARD OR YALE....and I would have been rich by then ...and never go treasure hunting.....Since then, I tried my best to operate my old man project...... obviously if you do not have budget...you are doom to fail(Most big budget project ..failed). By the way...I've read almost ALL BOOKS that you mentioned !!!  Your understanding and experience regarding Japs treaasure is very very limited. Our target is in the middle of 30 square kilometers of tropical jungle and visibility is 3-5 meters only....WHY DO YOU THINK WE RISK OUR LIVES AND EVEN ASKING FOR SECOND HAND EQUIPMENT IN YOUR GARAGE   BCOZ ITS TRUE !!! ...If you don't believe our quest, its alright...If Columbus listen to his detractors and skeptics ...America would have not been discovered...l           

[gboy]

To : All Treasue Hunters,

2005 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A (JAPS) TREASURE

Project:
1) Dumagat Secret treasure 1
? ? ?- cave/waterfalls treasure site full of gold (aprox. 300 tons gold)
? ? ?- 48 pcs. gold bars initially hauled by 12 rebels in 1986...all of them have died already except old man Oscar, the lone survivor.
? ? ?- the area was last spotted in Sept. 2004

2) Dumagat Secret Treasure 2
? ? ?- open cave/cliffwall full of gold (aprox. 200 tons)
? ? ?- last spotted by local native in 2003.

? ? ?Our 15-man team will try to explore ,relocate and retrace this treasure area for this dry season (up to May) or ASAP. Our TARGET SITE: Is found in the middle of tropical jungle 30 square kilometers, visibility is 3-5 meters only. TIMETABLE: 1 -2 months exploration.
? ? ?WE DO NOT HAVE BUDGET.



? ? ?This is NOT an easy project, we expect it to be DIFFICULT. Imagine we try to comb 30 square kiliometers of tropical jungle with visibility of 3-5 meters only ...in 1 or 2 months exploration. We believe IF THE NATIVES WAS ABLE TO LOCATE THIS TREASURE SITES BEFORE...with our determination, perseverance, sacrifice and LOTS of prayers...WE CAN DO IT.... I believe there will be LOTS OF SKEPTICS AND DETRACTORS....Its okey...its normal, we understand them....BUT ONLY GOD KNOWS IF WE SUCCEED.........For those who believe in impossible DREAM...this is your chance...  please contact: GBOY at gergio2004@yahoo.com or celfon: +63 9103216315.....HAPPY HUNTING !!!

[jeff of pa]

 ~ And I personally will probably let my posts remain for another couple days, and then delete them, and which is sad. ?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? NOBEL ; Why Would you Deleate your Post after a Couple Days ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I for one am Enjoying Reading All sides of this Story. REAL or NOT, alot of Questions remain, and Personally I am Rooting For a Big Find, just to prove once and for all, the storys are true.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GOOD LUCK TO ALL ; Be Careful ; jeff

[boylara]

hey butz..so your here in the Cagayan Valley Region... Well right now there are many groups of treasure hunters in the Sierra Madre Mountain...hunting and hopefully recovered treasure... so butz, are your group the one in Ilaga, about gboy, the Dumagat site is a positive site but theres a problem in the security of the people who will work there..its been under the surveliance of the  AFP, NPA and local politicians, it if were you post the location of the site and let any hunters recover those site... \the Penablanca site is under excavation, also in \nueva \vizcaya...and in the \aurora province...

[gboy]

To: Noble metal,
     Thanks that you believe....our site is difficult and dangerous.....but with lots of prayers and luck....MAYBE we can do it.
To: Jeff Pa,
     Thanks for letting this topic continue....don't worry, if we found the treasure cave....I will let you IN...for poster picture !
To: Boy Lara,
     I know that there are a lot of guys (AFP,NPA,TREASURE HUNTERS,etc) out there in our treasure areas...but its okey...may the BEST HUNTERS WINS....

     HAPPY TREASURE HUNTING !!!!

[butz]

Noblemetal: I was impressed with your post. So you are here in the Philippines man? If so, then I am sure you are involved in treasure hunting business here too. I agree mostly with what you said. Cool.

Boylara: Yes, I am in the Cagayan Valley this time. You are right too, the business is quite dangerous now because so many are interested to this treasures. It's quite good also in other way because monitoring operatives are distracted or even get lost because of the emergence of so many treasure hunters. Gold is everywhere. It's like gold rush in california in 1849. Whew!!! Fools rushing in!!!

Gboy: goodluck to your expedition. I agree with noblemetal, maybe it would be better to compute the treasure when you found it already. Most sites I know and the site that we are mostly operating contains only an approximated volume of  2 to 12 metric tons.

[pkpk4me]

Everyone and his brother knows someome who knows someone that knows of gold left by the japanese. And for a price they can sell you a map or show you where it is,or where it use to be. I've lived in the PI and been married to a Filipina for almost 19yrs and we go back every 2yrs on vacation. Now is there a lot of gold in the PI? Yes, do i think that the Japanese hide vast amounts of gold in one or more places NO. Smaller amounts in many places? Yes if at all. I lived in a town called Paniqui,Tarlac a town the retreating japanese went through on their way to the mountions of Central Luzon. I,ve heard stories that in the town's of Moncada & San Miguel a large cache was hide. And with someone to invest we all could be on easy street. Don't get me wrong every once in a while there is a good amount found. Just enough to keep the hopes alive. My guess is if there was a vast cache of booty it was taken out of country ahead of the fall of the Japanese.Remember the Americans didn't take over the islands in a week. And any gold found from the war it most likely came from a few greedy japanese officers lining their own pockets. And also another big gold hunt is for the gold Marcos stoled from the people of the Philippines. So you have to understand the filipinos their very poor and have good reason to keep this story alive. They have nothing else to do but look for it and dream or get some Joe to pay them to help them with their dream. I hope some day their dream does come true. Just one mans opinion! But dreaming isn't that why we look.? ?

[pkpk4me]

Hey Teburshock !! I agree with most of what you've posted. But I think if you dig a little deeper you'll find that the U.S.A. Payed for those great roads, that just happens to end in Angles City at the front gate of the old Clark AFB. My father in-law is from Pampanga and help build those roads. And told me his bosses were all american. And that all but most filipinos I know would say that the americans were the real GOLD there.

[pkpk4me]

Rebels? Just what we need a bunch of NPA running around the place. I'll pass. Good Luck

[Teburshock]

pkpk4me I was referring to the roads here in Mindanao, which was constructed by CDCP wayback in the late 70's. and CDCP was own by marcos cronies. it was a marcos project by the help of bank loans, mostly. Government Schools here are mostly sponsored by Japanese.

Anyways I don't really care who gave the money. As long as my people here have a nice place to live, food to eat, has good education, thats all I care.

By the way, Americans helps General Santos City make their sea port, International Airport, 6 lane highways after they left Subic and Angeles. 7th fleet of U.S. navy can fit in Gen. San sea port. their international airport is the most sophisticated in the country. U.S. gives them 2 billion dollars for that. More or less Gen. San. is an American base. U.S has great interest in our country no doubt about that.
General Santos City is in southern Mindanao.

All I'm sure of, I know some treasure site, I hope of digging them in the next few months, I hope of getting something out of it, then maybe I can Buy a F50 Ferrari. hey I can dream, Can't I?? Happy Hunting everyone.

jeff of pa they don't use paint in making gold bars here, they use gold nail polish. If somebody wants to buy a goldbar also use acetone for assaying it.

[boylara]

hi butz..can we meet in person...hope we can exchange info....

[Butz]

Boylara: Yes, of course we can meet. Where can I find you? I'm in Pangasinan right now.

[Butz]

Boylara: Contact me at 0922-419-2420. I think it's good to contact Gboy too, he seem to know much about this treasures, maybe he can help too. I was thinking that Gboy is the son of the late famed treasure hunter Roxas of Baguio City.

Gboy: Your sites are positive. 

[dekalb33]

sounds to me the war and lies are still going onto this day
those noble japs are still sticking it to you poor islanders
maybe you guys need to network together and put some
of your logistics people together and work at a way to stick it to the
liers and cheats and take what is in your country and claim it for yourselves
seems like no one seems to be able to get heads together and trust each other
and partner up for a common cause?we americans have been able to in our great treasure
wrecks "1715"there is "no arrow heads, crumy coins, rusty worthless relics, tin cans,etc"so come on down and get some dive equipment and make a dive for glory and your familys not begging for
2nd had climbing stuff you have to trust your life too.MEL FISHER was the little guy like all us and won over the rights to the wreck,the court ruled that this man has invested his life and
savings into this search NO ONE was going to take it all from him!!!so think about it get yourselves orginized and come out fighting!!!!!!!

[Noble Metal]

The sad fact is that the Philippines is very slow thinking and totally full of liars, and especially when it comes to any money. ~ Is very sad, and so as to any little guy getting it together is probably almost impossible.
(If a person really believed they had a true story, here, in the Philippines, then really their only safty is to simply buy the property; but, the little guy does not have the money to buy it.

And gboy, and all of you in the Philippines, I would suggest that if you really believe in any site that you stop putting the loaction area on the world-wide web

[gboy]

To: pkpk4me,

       Its okey if you pass, its understandable....For your info. late '80s was the height of insuregency in our countryside, specially after EDSA revolution. Today the area is peaceful....besides you are NOT  allowed to go our treasure cave, only our OWN EXPLORATION TEAM....Do you think you will be allowed to enter to our treasure chamber worth BILLIONS DOLLAR GOLD STOCKFILE, with just your second hand $10 shoe or backpack DONATION OR CONTRIBUTION ?..... I DON'T THINK SO....

[gboy]

To: Butz,

     I understand that most treasure sites buried by a few soldiers are just a few tons.....but we have extensive research and explored these areas for a minimum of 5 years on each big volume sites....we do believe based on ACTUAL LIVE POINTER VISUAL SURVEY INSIDE THIS TREASURE CHAMBER....ITS INDEED MORE THAN 200 TONS......In fact El Sombrero Treasure 2....has a marking 1020 TONS ON THE WALL beside 2 samurai hanging and 4 chamber filled with 10 feet gold stockfiles.....our native live pointer has been extensively interrogated ...SO BELIEVE THEM....of course ONLY GOD KNOWS IF WE SUCCEED.

[dekalb33]

OH WE DO!!!!!

[pkpk4me]

The thing I find funny about this story is the gold is not buried under some house,or3 rocks and a cheap hooker. But they need climbing equipment to get to it. I could half way believe it if it was a few hundred lbs. But 200 tons. Think of the poor Sobs that had to pack this stuff up the side of the mountains. And knowing Filipino's as good as I do if it was truly there they would have got to it one way or the other by now. One thing Filipino's can do is get the job done with almost nothing. I would say if these guy's would spent just half their time hunting old war relics and selling them on E-bay they would not only have the money they need they might get rich just from the relics. I found some up in the Dagupan area.

[gboy]

To: pkpk4me,

 ? ? Its quite understandle for NEW JAPS TREASURE ENTHUSIAST like you to be amazed by the way Japs hide their treasure. For your limited info. you think that Japs will hide treasure ONLY under house, garrison or camp. WELL, we have more than 20 years extensive treasure hunting research....Do you know HOW LONG IS 20 YEARS RESEARCH ? Believe me we discovered almost every Japs SECRET. Japs hide their treasure EVERYWHERE...AND TO THE HIDING PLACE ..WHICH IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET OR IMAGINE !! Do you think Japs will hide treasure easily...c'mon Japs are NOT STUPID...Thats the problem with Americans they always UNDERESTIMATE the Japs...even in hiding treasure, they think its in the USUAL hiding place.
 ? ? Japs HIDE their treasure in caves, waterfalls, tunnels,underwater, inside the belly of the tree, underneath the altar of church, plaza statue, flagpole,bridges, schools, garison,camps,hospitals and even in the septic tank of Japs officers residence...meaning its...everywhere ! ?
 ? ? The people who recovered 48 gold bars from the treasure cave/waterfalls 10 stories high, they USES 4 CLIMBING ROPES. Meaning they have a cliffhanging treasure operation....According to our research...SEVERAL BRIGADES OF JAPS IMPERIAL ARMY,PASSES THRU THIS AREA...so putting treasure in cliffwall cave/waterfalls...is NOT DIFFICULT FOR THE JAPS... AS YOU IMAGINE !!!
 ? ? In the jungle. They hide their treasure in NATURAL MARKERS like waterfalls, caves, very high cliffwall...and etc.
 ? ? IN OUR TREASURE AREA.....RETREATING 50,000 JAPS TROOPS PASSES THRU THIS JUNGLE AREA.....iTS IS ALREADY IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS.....
 ? ? So pls....before you you critisize our treasure research....be sure you have ACTUAL FIELD AND EXTENSIVE Japs treasure research ALSO, OK?

[gboy]

To: Tres hunters,
     Sorry I double send the reply.

To: pkpk4me,

     Regarding changing our target from Japs treasure to looking for RELICS OR ANTIQUES? We do have found a 2 spanish galleon full of artifacts at 30 feet deep coral reef...In fact my men recovered already more than 1,000 pcs. porcelains,jars and etc.....But the problem is.....THE VULTURES ARE JUST AROUND THE CORNER....AND BREATHING ON OUR NECK... (POLICE,NAVY,MILITARY AND POLITICIANS)...its VERY VERY DIFFICULT OR SUICIDAL for our men to transport ...more so...sell these items...So we lay low for awhile ...and look for other treasure projects. 

[Butz]

To pkpk4me: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (removed)

Noblemetal: do you think Gboy would post his location if he is not secured in those areas? You want to play hide and seek with us man? Aw c'mon!!!

Well guys sorry for --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (post was not removed, just cleaned up)?

Please Jeff of Pa don't remove my post. thank you.?

[pkpk4me]

OK guy's I don't believe this is a form to bad mouth, or show ones anti-American views. It's to share story's or ones opinion of the subject. I only gave my opinion on a story of which I've heard many from the years spent there. I hope you do find the end of your rainbow. As Filipinos I know you know how many story's there are there about hidden gold. And most these story's are just that. As for pkpk4me its the name of my wife. Just like so many people there they like to nick name their kids. Like Jun Jun and the like. Her name is Patricia Kay so came the nick name pk pk. Patricia Kay is for me. And we've now been married for 19yrs. And I never said she was from Pampanga or Tarlac, she is from Atimonan,Quezon Prov. Her father is Pampangan & her mother is Illocano. I said I lived in Paniqui,Tarlac. And went there to help her family when they needed help. And would have not done so if I didn't love the Filipino people. I just as easily could have sent money. And as for the relics I'm sure the Vultures are around. But not at every corner,I found many my self and brought them back to the states. And no one made any woman do anything they didn't want. I'm sure they did it for money isn't that why your doing what your doing. Do you feel that all the people that come there is to steal your money and women. The Aussies the Japanese. Look in the strip clubs you'll find more of these people then you will Americans. So don't bad mouth the US in one hand and beg with the other hand. That give's the Filipino a bad image.

[gboy]

To: pkpk4me,

     I want to clear your opinion regarding BAD MOUTHING AMERICANS...Look at my post CLEARLY. I never badmouth anybody. What I posted is: "That's the problem with Americans they always UNDERESTIMATE the Japs in hiding treasure..." That is my personal opinion and basic observation, I NEVER POST BAD WORDS or even mention your wife.... with due respect...ok?

[jeff of pa]

as an AMERICAN, I have found NOTHING rong with any of your Posts Personally.... ANY OF YOU ; .......... gboy, you are always diplomatic In My opinion..............? Butz, you get a little too passionate, about your beliefs, for others to handle at times, which may end with requests to stop this whole string from continuing...............? thats why I? had to do something about that post.? ? ? ? Personally, I'd rather Read about your Exploits over there, instead of your opinions on Politics, and the us. ..........  WE already know how Governments work .? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ; jeff? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[gboy]

To: Treas Hunters,

     Jeff of Pa want to hear one of my treasure hunting exploits...this is one example:

      In Sept. 2002, We got a tip from our natives asset that there is a cement vault lying in the seashore in very far remote province facing pacific ocean. Since we do not have budget, I immediately solicit small amount of money to my friends. With my treasure hunting buddies, we proceed immediately to the seashore and inspected the suspected treasure cement vault. The cement vault look like an 8 cubic feet refrigerator, barely protruding in the sand. We confirmed that it is indeed a man made cement and possibly with gold bars...due to our years of Japs treasure hunting experience. According to the local village folks, that concrete vault has been there ever since, and they sometimes dry their clothes and fish on top of that concrete in the seashore.
     At 12 midnight when the whole village was asleep, we carefully haul the concrete into the hired logging truck, and proceed to our designated farm. At the farm, we did not immediately demolished the concrete because we no longer have food, thinking maybe it may take time to demolished the concrete...so we ABANDON the concrete vault in the farm (stupid move),feeling that our concrete was safe in the farm and we went to the town looking for food provision like rice. We found a friend and offer us a sackful of (palay) undried rice...but we have to dried it first before it would be milled into rice. So, it took us 3 DAYS to dry the palay(undried rice) and milled it.
     When we have already one sack of rice, we went back to the farm hoping to demolished the concrete cement vault....But to our HORROR AND SHOCK...THE CONCRETE WAS ALREADY DEMOLISHED....the marking of the gold bars was still embeded into to the crushed concrete. We immedietely investigate the incident...we realize that the 4 labrers we hired from the logging truck to haul the concrete...was the one responsible in demolishing our treasure concrete, since we are absent for 3 days looking for food. Further investigation, shows that according to some witnesses, 4 carabao cart haul the 75 kilos gold bars aprox. 2 tons...and they vanishd into the jungle. Bcoz of thoe incident ...we LOST 2 TONS OF GOLD...it took us 6 month of blaming each other...why we did not GUARD the concrete...
     It was a very frustrating experience...imagine we lost US$ 20 million worth of gold !!!
     It only shows that treasure cement vault are scattered around our countryside...not necessarily buried deep....some treasure concrete vault are exposed...waiting to be discovered......We believe only guys like us who is very persistent and hardworking...will surely find...another treasure !! 
     Happy treasure hunting !!! ..... better luck next time to us !!
       

[jeff of pa]

gboy, that is sad, in more ways then one.? ?#1 your comment "I, solicit small amount of money to my friends" if we had those types of treasures over here, and someone came to me, and said? they need help to secure it, I would not ask for money up front. I'd just expect to be cut in on the find.? ALSO,? If I? found a Treasure like that, I would not offer to pay someone to help me remove it to another location. I would expect them to do it, on the grounds IF it pans out, I give them a percentage. to me this is how "Treasure Hunters" should work.? ? ? ? #2? ?I definately wouldn't let anyone in on location,? I havn't known for years. unless they NEVER leave my sight.? ? ? ? ? ? I can see why yous have a hard time trusting people. hopefully, next time you'll make up for it, with at least twice as much gold.? ? ? ?THANKS for posting, and Happy Hunting ; Jeff

[dekalb33]

sound like you guys are on the ball ,didnt gaurd the loot, let laborers steal your take from the beach
waiting for rice to dry you guys ever hear of fishing?you were near the ocean could have made plans to stock up for the "adventure" way to go indiana jones,which you are not,your a knuckle head in my book! quit running us around, you have NO idea what your doing.my kids could plan a better
logistical support then you bone heads.get a clue

[eathabs]

Why do you need GPS if you know where the "treasure chamber" is? Why is no one allowed to go to the cave except the exploration team? From your reply to pkpk it doesn't sound as if those who contribute will be rewarded anyhow. His second hand $10.00 shoe and backpack aren't good enough for you so why should our second hand stuff be ok? Why do you only have a 1 to 2 month time frame? You are in a warm climate year round. Cyclone season doesn't last for 10 months. 

[eathabs]

all the "research in treasure hunting" and you can't feed yourself? Maybe some research in wilderness survival might be of help in your quest. Why would you go on this trek and not have enough sense to prepare basic sustanance? Do you really think people will want to help you if you cannot plan for even the most basic of needs? Sell your computer and buy food.

[gboy]

To Eathabs,
     Regarding questions?
1) Why GPS when the site has been sighted? Good questions, Our treasure target is 50 square kilometer jungle forest and visibility is only 2-3 meters, when our team explored and found this area, we never uses GPS, meaning even if you return to your old route, since the density of the jungle and visibility is only 2 meters...you still can get lost or may not be able to return to your treasure site. Gps will surely help us a lot. The meaning of 2-3 meters visibility is...when your hiking and you are behind by 2-3 meters, you can no longer see your companion due to density of jungle...and possibly you get lost...and die.

2) Why nobody is allowed to accompany us? The terrain is difficult, we are passing some dangerous villages or bandits areas, besides FOREIGNER will surely get attention from local authorities, village folks...usually our purpose is supposed to be SECRET...we do not want attention.

3) Why 2nd hand $10  shoe donation may not be rewarded? Actually thats not true, if you donate even in smallest value thats fine, AND I GUARANTEE REWARDS, depending in our volume treasure recovery....I just DO NOT WANTsomebody with a $10 donation INSIST to enter the cave...WHY? Its UNFAIR, for the whole exploration team....The members of exploration team invest almost millions of pesos and almost five years of exploration...and then somebody give us $10 donation...and suddenly they can easily join come IN treasure cave? Unfair for exploration members isn't it? Meaning you should not expect to enter cave with treasure worth 2-3 billion dollar with just a $10 donation...you will only rewarded GOOD ENOUGH according to your contribution.

4) Why 1 or 2 month only ? Why not several months? We wanted several monthes exploration BUDGET....the problem is ...even at only 1-2 months budget...nobody seems interested to finance us yet...

All your questions are welcome....happy treasure hunting !!   

[gboy]

To Jeff pa,
     We cannot demolished the concrete right on the ground, we have to isolate to other area, bcoz the site is near residential beach area...if we demolished it ...and contain gold...we will be killed by villagers....imagine trying to steal their treasure infront of their eyes !!!

To: Dekalb/eathabs,
    If you DO NOT HAVE BUDGET....PREPARATION IS NOT AVAILABLE !!!.....This treasure tip comes once in a lifetime....if you wait to solicit fund for weeks or months  (just like what I have been doing in internet)... that treasure tip will be given to other treasure hunter group anyway, and treasure will be surely be GONE....PREPARATION IS THE PREVELIGED ...ONLY...FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE BUDGET....understood? For us who have NOTHING....its only trial and error...hope for the best...ok?   

[jeff of pa]

To Jeff pa,
? ? ?We cannot demolished the concrete right on the ground, we have to isolate to other area, bcoz the site is near residential beach area...if we demolished it ...and contain gold...we will be killed by villagers....imagine trying to steal their treasure infront of their eyes !!!

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Gboy , I think we ran into a little "language barrier" above when I said "on the Grounds" I ment the same as saying "on the condition" I already understood you wouldn't want to do it, where it was sitting.? ? ? ? ? ? ?My whole point is, Why do you have to pay your friends to help ? or am I reading what your saying the wrong way? why not tell them , if there is gold there, I'll give you a percentage of it, after we find it ? or are you planning on keeping all of it for yourself and not sharing with your friends over there, that are helping you find it ?

[pkpk4me]

The sad thing here I do understand he's English. Sounds like my wife, it's not so much what they say as what they mean. But I do think I would have packed a sandwich and a can of coke. Or at less go hungry till I broke it open with a sledge hammer.

[jeff of pa]

I absolutely agree on that point also. They (AT LEAST I ) could never be that hungry in the Middle of that type of EXCITEMENT & ANTICIPATION !?                                                  Not to mention yous always Bring up "Mistrust" How in the WORLD, could you have Walked away from its sight, till you had it Secured ?                   You Don't have to answer this, But it may Explain Things, Would you tell me How long you've been doing this and your age ?

[eathabs]

gboy, preparation is the key to unlock all doors. You prepare based upon your budget. Not long ago there was a bank heist in Europe. The guys that did it went so far as to ensure they had time to eat while they were still inside the vault!! Anyone can go a day or two maybe three without eating but you will pay the price in the way of mental fatigue and an increased lack of energy. Milling rice for three days was not your best choice. If wish to recover the treasure you must be willing to "suck it up". Your desire to eat obviously outweighed the desire to strike it rich. Come up with a game plan that you can show to the rest of the world that you are serious in your quest and you will see many generous offers coming your way. Be prepared to share the wealth to those who selflessly offer support to you and your dream. Keep in mind that if you would have prepared properly for the vault, you would not be trying to explain the misdeeds of others that you thought you could trust. I wish you the best!!!

[eathabs]

gboy, your replies make more sense now. I agree, if I gave you only a few pesos I would not expect to reap your rewards but there are those that would. Are there any people on your team that are capable of "living off the land"? Meaning you might want to budget for someone who cannot only guide you to your treasure but also ensure that your team will not go hungry. There are many things to eat in the jungle, you just need to know what to look for. You also should have a basic knowledge of trapping, fishing, snaring and hunting for food. That is something that you would not have to spend a lot of money on. You also may want to consider that the GPS will plot your way points for later exploration. Locate now and recover later. How will you remove the treasure without proper equipment? It would take a massive team of many men to recover all that loot. If it is TONS of gold you are looking at air recovery with a helicopter or ground recovery with hundreds involved. As I said in the yamas h i t a s post you must prepare properly. If you do not, you are destined to fail. Time to start asking for tips for your planning stage.

[psarci]

To bad hunger overcame excitement with cracking open the concrete vault full of gold. I can't put myself in your place, but I can imagine holding a gold bar in one hand and chewing on a piece of concrete in the other to quell my appetite. . Better luck next time.

[Noble Metal]

I like the last post

[gboy]

To: eathabs,
     A few pesos or small item is ALREADY ENOUGH !!...Bcoz if it is POOLED WITH OTHER DONORS...it will surely help us a lot and MAYBE help complete our equipment requirements also. I have been to the tropical jungle...everything there is wet bcoz even summer the sunlight cannot penetrate the tree canopy, all you can see is big trees, grass, thorny bushes, thick thorny vines, leeches, giant mosquitos...believe me nothing is EDIBLE unless you are also an ANIMAL. Even trained Special Forces Army and rebels...avoiding this Sierra madre jungle...bcoz you have nothing to eat there !...you will only get malaria....or maybe treasure.
    It is only on the movies or miracles that poeple survive in this kind of jungle....or perhaps a Dumagat native...but for a city dweelers like us, is quite a FEAT to survive there...
    Yah, we have a plan, if our logistics are complete...and we were able to locate the treasure site....EACH TEAM MEMBER WILL CARRY AT LEAST 4 PCS. 6 KILO GOLD BARS ON EACH BACKPACK and hike for 50 kilometers....then we will rent chopper to haul....give share to the DONORS...and probably??? SHOW THE VIDEO PHOTAGE TO THE WORLD...
     Again...IT IS NOT EASY...IN FACT ITS DIFFICULT...but with lots of prayers...its DOABLE.

[gboy]

To: Jeff pa,
     Why do you pay to your friends for help?
 I trust my 3 friends and there is NO problem with them. The people that we pay are the laborers who haul and lift the concrete vault into the truck to our designated site. And they leave...and comeback to steal our treasure.

To: pkpk4me/ eathabs,
     Remember its just an ordinary and usual treasure tip or lead. We got several of those tip every week. We demolished several of these kind of concrete vault...with nothing on it. Its Just an ORDINARY AND NORMAL TREASURE routine, take the concrete vault, put it in our area, produce food...and demolished it. IF WE ONLY KNEW THAT ON THAT DAY, THE CONCRETE VAULT IS 100 % SURE WITH GOLD....I WILL DEMOLISHED IT EVEN WITH MY BARE HANDS......AND PLEASE DON'T BLAME US...WHY WE LEAVE IT UNGUARDED.....bcoz WE HAVE BEEN ALREADY DEBATING AND BLAMING EACH OTHER WITH MY TEAM MEMBERS FOREVER....

     Anyway...its just another treasure real life story...we still have worst than that....not worth to tell...it only shows....Japs treasure are for real....enough for story telling...SEND IN YOUR DONATIONS....SO THAT  I CAN GIVE YOU TREASURE STORY OF A LIFETIME...

[jeff of pa]

I immediately solicit small amount of money to my friends.
? ?
? ? ? ?

? Gboy;? ? ? ? ? the reason I thought you paid your "Friends" is,? ??the wording of this sentence above , to me means , you Gave Money to Your "Friends"? Believe me I am not trying to be Pickey, I understand, you english may not be 100% anymore then my Understanding of Spanish, French, Etc. are.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? any way let's get away from this.? ? ? ? ? ?Learning Expierences will continue, I believe that comes with the process of Treasure Hunting. If everything were easy, Everybody would be doing it. and it wouldn't be as intresting.? ; I WISH YOUS LUCK ; and the ONLY think I would expect of you , is, "WHEN"? you find it, either post a pic here or E-mail me one so I can be Jealous when I see it? ? ? HAPPY HUNTING ;? ? ? ?jeff

[gboy]

TO: JAPS TREASURE ENTHUSIAST,

     Here is another Japs treasure story about my friend Bong, I don't care if you believe him or not, anyway this is his story...

TOPIC: MT. BILLIONAIRE / TRILLIONAIRE ?

     Sometimes in 1992, Bong and his 2 nephews went fishing near a rocky cliffwall. After several hours of fishing, Bong rested on the rock wall and noticed a carved stairways leading to a 2 feet round hole on the solid rock wall. Since his fish catch is low, he entered into the hole hoping to look for bird nests instead. But to his astonishment he stumbled into a natural cathedral size cave chamber that look like a very large warehouse with several huge stockfiles 21 feet long and 21 feet high. He immediately called his 2 nephews and shows his discovery. His 2 nephews were afraid because they thought this cave chamber were guarded. So they hurriedly left the chamber and continue fishing.
     After several boring fishing days, they were curious and decided to go back to the cave chamber and roam around for several minutes trying to figure out if it is guarded and notice it has none. So they go back fishing again. On their third visit, they decided to bring sledgehammer, chisel, and jungle bolo.
     This time on their 3rd visit they were able to inspect fully its contents. The cave chamber consist of 27 GOLD STOCKFILES (EACH STOCKFILES 21 FEET LONG AND 21 FEET HIGH). They saw 3 rows of GOLDEN BUDHA OR STATUETES on each side of the cave chamber wall, There is a freezer size (6 sacks capacity) box with big padlock full of PRECIOUS STONES, there are 2 stock files chest high white metal sheets, 5 LIFE SIZE HORSE HEADS still attach to the wall, 3 GOLDEN CHAIRS, a SMALL GOLDEN TABLE with cigarette/coin drawer at each corners, on top of the table were 2 GOLDEN DEER FIGURINES and maps, several 5 feet tall GOLDEN CANDLES AND HOLDERS. The walls is covered with Japanese writings, there are lots of Japs military uniforms, folding bed, and rifles. There is also 2 LARGE QUARTZ on each side corner that illuminates when small light passes thru the ceiling, there is 3  rock boulders hanging on the ceiling, a small crystal clear water pool beside,they also notice a 20 footer half body monster that roam the area but walks like a mechanical robot. On the other chamber they saw a boat and hundred bicycles.
     Bong and his nephews took one golden chair, a few gold bars and a handfull of diamonds. Bong show his golden chair to a local politician. The politician immediately took the golden chair but instead of payment, he gave Bong some money to rent a bigger boat for hauling.  Noticing that he is just being fooled, he hide from the politician. But after a month of hiding, they were found by the politician bodyguards, They were force and herded to a bigger boat. Knowing that they will be killed after pinpointing their treasure site, during midnight, while the boat is still in anchor, they escaped, jumped overboard and swim ashore.
     To escape from the wrath of the politician in the province, they immediately transferred and live in the city of Manila. They tried to sell their remaining few gold bars and diamonds, since they were just ordinary fishermen and ignorant of buy/sell at that time, they were easily fooled and swindled by city con men. So, up to now Bong and his nephews still live in poverty. They are afraid to go back to the porvince because the whole townfolks know their treasure, besides 300 army troops looking for them and their treasure site.
When I met Bong in 1996, I interrogate him on several occassion, but Bong an old man now still consistent with his story even when drunk. Bong is very elusive and does not trust easily. In fact, several gold buyers, treasure hunters,politician and the latest an ex Col. Sanchez is talking to him at no avail. He already transferred residence address 5 times.
     Bong doesn't trust anybody except me. One time he met a boastful foreign gold buyer, and told him " Show me your treasure cave and I will give you $10 million" ....Bong answered back..." I maybe poor but I'm not stupid my treasure stockfile is aprox 125,000 metric tons......eat your $10 million"
     Bong cannot go back to his treasure project because. 1) people wanted or looking for him 2) He do not have a pump boat to haul it himself 3) the sea is calm only on summer.
     I do not know the whereabouts of Bong but occasionally or twice a year on summer, he visited me and DARED me to go to his site, provided I will shoulder all the expenses including producing our own boat...of course I can't accept the challenge bcoz I do not have the budget....and if ever I have budget he is nowhere to be found anyway....always wrong timing.
     I know nobody believe Bong....but he does not want anybody anyway to bother him...in fact Bong is avoiding every body, trying to keep his secret to his own and.......hopefully will be revealed to me...
     His treasure story maybe unbelievable, shocking and etc...Bong doesn't care...he just want to be left alone.

Hope you enjoy my freind treasure story....

     

[gboy]

MT. BILLIONAIRE OR TRILLIONAIRE

   Regarding the authenticity of this story, probably these are the ONLY PERSONS that can confirm these:

1) Bong
2) Gen. Douglas McArthur and ALLIES
3) Emperor of Japan 
4) Intelligince community

    The rest of us are just mere observer, critic or outsider....Actually I tried to send 4 pages of drawing and description of the whole cave chamber, but the problem is....this POST can not accomodate 4 pages of drawing or even 1 page....sorry no drawing.

[jeff of pa]

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?LOL , I was believing this story, till I read of the 20 Ft. Monster, Which Half of his BODY is walking around ?  LOL of course your friend may be a "genious" . if you wanna throw off the authorities, because they want your stash. Tell them you see Mechanical Monsters. The'll laugh all the way back to their offices :LOL? as far as the Treasure, it wouldn't supprise me if it's true. either way it makes for intresting reading. so i'll say, Cool Story & Thanks for posting. Happy Hunting ; jeff

[eathabs]

Does Bong smoke???

[Butz]

Hey guys, what we got here people?? Just been to our treasuresite and what a tiring week, whoa!!!

We are having a problem how to break through this very hard cement. According to our map, this is the passageway to the treasure, wow!!! Can any one got any idea of any kind of chemical used to soften cements? We don't know what kind of cement is this but is somewhat it can stain your white shirt blue. We are thinking of blowing it up with higher explosives but the village is near the area and we don't want to attract attention to our excavation so decided not to blow it. We are nearing the treasure, only problem is the very very hard cement, dynamites are of no use already. We need chemiclas for very hard cements, ay ideas here please?

[Butz]

We are thinking of blowing it up with a bomb but we fear that the bigbang will be heard in the nearest village. The site can be reached by boat during hightide (right into the mouth of the tunnel) and abouta  kilometer walk from the shore if lowtide(we definitely has to run for the fear of the tide to rise he he  ). What we just need here are chemicals to soften the cement on the passageway, maybe a chemical solution may help, just post your formula here eh 

hey gboy, no luck out there yet? our project is just near you he he 

[Free2Dtect]

I just read an article on this last night. The Japanese say their never was a treasure. It was in a Treasure magazine from 1971. Was just catching up on my mail.

[jeff of pa]

HAY BUTZ ; I personally don't know of anything to "Soften" Cement, maby someone else can help. the Only thing I could think is IF you can get ahold of a Drill with a Diamond tip & drill in. & maby see whats on the other side first. I know this isn't a cheap project I'm suggesting, but, it is the best I can come up with at the moment. GOOD LUCK ; jeff

[Butz]

Wow we got a chic here.... hi free2dtct... my answer to that is yes and no and maybe and i don't know but i think there is i guess... but let's just say there is no true japanese treasure here in our country but supposedly you got hold of a map you think that is authentic, what would you do? ... yes, we really did what you think was the thing to do... look for the treasure... and right now ... we really believe there is a treasure and not just a treasure but hoards of treasure... believe it or not? well, believe it.


hi jeff of pa... problem with the drill is that the site is far from electricity and that we can't use those diamond drillbited driller, we actually bought one in purpose thinking we can use batteries to make it work but it's useless, our batteries get drained easily, besides the stone hole where we are caving in is very wide(4 persons can stay inside same time).... we heard of chemical solutions used to soften and pulverize hard cements but  we don't know where to get it... we also thought of using jackhammers but there is no electircity in the area...

Chemicals please... 

[Butz]

We actually got samples of the cement and tried to show it with some cement engineers and they told us that the the cement was hardened with SAHARA and SILICATE cement mixes.

Check this site guys: http://figure.8m.com

[gboy]

To: Jeff Pa,
         Indeed the mechanical half body monster...intrigue us for years...But we know that in treasure areas (ghost of dead slaves/soldiers are normal occurences) including elemental beings that disturbs treasure hunters work. We also know for the fact, that sometimes Japs put some mechanical or rubber big snakes or crocodile to scare away treasure hunters, this is prevalent mostly in several Crocodile Cave treasure and Snake cave treasure in Mindanao and Luzon. For a foreigner like you guys (IGNORANT IN JAPS TREASURE TRICKS/DECOYS) seems funny but for a professional treasure hunter like us...SCARY mechanical/ rubber monster or decoy is just ordinary and already expected in Japs treasure sites. And sometimes for untrained local natives if they see they "monsters"...naturally they scamper or stay away from this treasure sites !!! PRECISELY thats the purpose of the Japs to SCARE away people wandering to thier treasure sites...
         Besides 5 years after Bong told me his story, we met an old man and told us he was once a caregiver of Japanese officer namely Tanaka, at his deatbed Tanaka told his caregiver about a huge treasure in an island and a mechanical half body monster use as a decoy to guard or scare....this coincide the story od Bong....If we analyze it...its possible to built a mechanical robots bcoz Japan was advanced already in technology....if Swiss clock makers in 17th or 18th century can make precise and huge mechanical clock that ran for several decades....why not a robot......
         INTRIGUING ISN'T??....AGAIN ITS STILL PART OF THE MYSTERY OF YAMAS-H-I-T-A TREASURE... 

[jeff of pa]

It is Definately an Intresting Thought, Gboy. You make me wish I lived over there Sometimes. of course we have Hidden Treasures over here, but , probably not as intresting.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Again; Happy Hunting & Good luck ; jeff

[fizz]

With Gods prayers and his guidance , may your prayers be answered.

I would like to suggest that maybe the unveiling of a smaller, less complicated site, could lead to full funding of this quite challenging project in Domeget.......

[gboy]

To Fizz,
     Yes, there are smaller sites, 1-50 tons gold, but usually these are buried 30-100 feet deep....meaning its more expensive to dig, you need GPR ($20,000),other geophysical instruments, heavy equipment, diging tools and etc.....digging now will cost more or less minimum $50,000.....that's why the cheapest way....is still your donations of camping or climbing gears....

[Cornelius]

Gboy . Suppose I knew a place where there was 50 tons of gold .Do you realy think I needed foreighn investors to put up their money ? If you cannot convince your own countrymen why do you think you can convince foreighners ? Not draw attention from the natives ? With a group of gringos ( city slickers ) in the jungle you do not draw attention? What makes you so sure that you have the right location . Surely this info was handed down to you by somebody . How come these people did not go after it themselves . Your 30 km square in the beginning of your text became 50 km square a little later . Knowing South East Azia quite good I wood say that even IF you found something? it is easy to tell the investors , sorry we missed it ! How come you know exactly that there is 50 tons of gold . And that it is still there . Who would burry 50 ton in the jungle ? How would they hide 50.000 Kg of gold deep in the jungle ? How many men would it take to burry 50 000 kg of gold ?Would the natives not have known that something was going on ? If it took many men to carry the gold into the jungle would it not be easy for one of them to come back to dig up the gold later ? Or did they kill everybody after they burried the gold ? After thet left did the natives not find that wonderful bare spot in the jungle ? Oh yes they covered it up , but then natives are natives and they would recognize a spot like that in a minute . ? No my friend you are the greatest con man or you are part of a group of people that day dream all day . I would not invest in your scheme even if you had the army behind you .? I would tell any investor to kiss his money goodbye even before you guys hit the jungle . And besides what do you city slickers know better than the average city slicker ?? Just my opinion .? ?Cornelius

[eathabs]

Butz, I know a sure fire way of getting the concrete to at least crack. Years ago when farmers had rocks in their fields that were too large to move, they would build a fire over the rock and heat it as much as they could. It could take a few hours to get hot enough.  When they could get the rock no hotter they would dump cold water on it and it would crack. This was repeated as many times as needed until the rock was able to be moved. I know for a fact this will work on any type of concrete no matter how hard it is. Keep doing this and eventually the concrete will crumble. Of course it will not help with the rebar but you can always pack in cutting tools and torches for that. This process has been used world over and is still in use. 

[Lostplot]

Hya guys

New here...so hello 

I have been amazed by this story. I live in Japan so came across this subject just through personal interest in Japanese history etc. I know nothing about treasure hunting, but will you allow me to ask a couple of questions?

Firstly...I have read that all of these burial sites were booby trapped with explosives and poisioned gas...and most were a serious distance underground... is this true?

Secondly...you guys are talking about huge weights in gold and money value. I cannot begin to comprehend how you could possibly sell such a large quantity of gold...surely you can`t just take bars/huge cash ammounts out of the country?..and banks must surely ask questions if you try and transfer  ..anyone able to sed any light on how you deal with such a problem in the event you actually find something.

My last question is this. You asserted that Japanese people who know where the burial sites are/were are able to go over there and remove gold?...by paying off people etc?....surely I dont see how that could be. Considering the payoffs must be enormous to compensate for some of the quantities being discussed. I would have though the Phillipine Government would have wanted to keep everything for themselves?

I hope you dont mind me asking these questions...

Lee

[Teburshock]

Welcome Lee.

ans. 1. Usually the big sites have booby traps. usually combination of both explosives and poison gas. I knew somebody who got poison while diggin.

2. You can sell your find here in philippine central bank or some person who buys gold bars or whatever treasure you find. I can not verify this story but one time my contact buyer was bragging that they sold a boat load of platinum bars that came from a treasure site in calinan Davao. They ship it to Canada. I think they use mining company as a front to ship treasure outside the country. We have big gold mining company here in Mindanao.? More or less it is easy to sell your treasure here.

3. Yes, a lot of Japanese people comes here and take the gold or the treasure. They don't pay anybody. This is how they do it.... first they ask the native if they know the landmark, if they find it they will dig or whatever ways to get the treasure... and when they are near to the treasure or over it, they will tell their workers to go home or come back the next day because they don'thave funds anymore. then they're gone.. not sharing anything to anyone.. I'm not sure how they pass through airport and stuff.. for big site or big quantities.. you could always bribe some public officials.. 

I hope I shed light on your questions... others can help you more..

If you have more questions, just ask..

[Lostplot]

Many thanks for your kind and informative reply     so you guys (foreigners) who live there are purely treasure hunters or is it just a hobby for you?    if I wanted to have an unusual vacation over there with the chance of coming across something (hopefully that wont kill me :-))   do you have any recommendations?.

Please feel free to pm any response.

Thanks

Lee

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