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Shipwreck Hunters: Below are the names of just a few Portuguese and Spanish shipwrecks contained in "Chronicles of Shipwrecks and Sunken Treasure 900-1900" available from sevenseaspublishing.com.? Other indexes in the book contain lists of shipwrecks by year of loss, geographical location, nationality, and alphabetically of which the below list forms a small part.
Best Regards, Alan R. Riebe, Author
A VERY SMALL PART OF THE ALPHABETICAL INDEX:
Nossa Senhora Boa Nova, 270 Nossa Senhora da Ajuda of 1608: 258 Nossa Senhora da Ajuda of 1625: 283 Nossa Senhora da Ajuda of 1672: 343 Nossa Senhora da Atalaya e San Gabriel, 400 Nossa Senhora da Atalaya, 311 Nossa Senhora da Attalaga (sic), 460 Nossa Senhora da Boa Viagem of 1718: 387 Nossa Senhora da Boa Viagem of 1724: 394 Nossa Senhora da Conceicao da Rua Nova, 394 Nossa Senhora da Conceicao dos Cardaes, 384 Nossa Senhora da Conceicao of 1527: 153 Nossa Senhora da Conceicao of 1651: 316 Nossa Senhora da Conceicao of 1713: 382 Nossa Senhora da Conceicao of 1724: 394 Nossa Senhora da Diligencia e Catharina Maria, 394 Nossa Senhora da Graca of 1542: 172 Nossa Senhora da Graca of 1544: 175 Nossa Senhora da Graca of 1559: 190 Nossa Senhora da Graca of 1565: 197 Nossa Senhora da Graca of 1610: 261 Nossa Senhora da Guia of 1623: 282 Nossa Senhora da Guia of 1774: 458 Nossa Senhora da Lampadosa, 394 Nossa Senhora da Luz of 1596: 242 Nossa Senhora da Luz of 1615: 264 Nossa Senhora da Luz of 1752: 435 Nossa Senhora da Natividade, 411 Nossa Senhora da Nazare, 387 Nossa Senhora da Oliveira of 1608: 258 Nossa Senhora da Oliveira of 1610: 261 Nossa Senhora da Palma, 258 Nossa Senhora da Reliquias of 1583: 220 Nossa Senhora da Reliquias of 1587: 224 Nossa Senhora da Salvaco, 331 Nossa Senhora da Victoria, 242 Nossa Senhora da Vitoria, 402 Nossa Senhora das Merces of 1606: 257 Nossa Senhora das Merces of 1793: 480 Nossa Senhora das Necessidades of 1726: 395 Nossa Senhora das Necessidades of 1770: 455 Nossa Senhora de Belem of 1629: 289 Nossa Senhora de Belem of 1635: 297 Nossa Senhora de Bitancor, 372 Nossa Senhora de Conceicao e Porto Seguro, 442 Nossa Senhora de Graca, 399 Nossa Senhora de Livremento, 363 Nossa Senhora de Loreto, 262 Nossa Senhora de Piedade, 346 Nossa Senhora de Rosario, 362 Nossa Senhora de San Juan, 368 Nossa Senhora de Victoria, 277 Nossa Senhora del Buen Fins, 445 Nossa Senhora do Baptisa, 370 Nossa Senhora do Bom Sucesso of 1649: 314 Nossa Senhora do Bom Sucesso of 1700: 372 Nossa Senhora do Carmo e San Jose, 466 Nossa Senhora do Carmo e Santa Teresa, 394 Nossa Senhora do Carmo, 436 Nossa Senhora do Castello of 1597: 243 Nossa Senhora do Castello of 1599: 246 Nossa Senhora do Conceicao of 1588: 229 Nossa Senhora do Conceicao of 1620: 275 Nossa Senhora do Conceicao of 1621: 277 Nossa Senhora do Conceicao of 1624: 283 Nossa Senhora do Conceicao of 1625: 285 Nossa Senhora do Conceicao of 1660: 326 Nossa Senhora do Guadalupe, 245 Nossa Senhora do Guadalupe, 264 Nossa Senhora do Livramento, 261 Nossa Senhora do Monserrate of 1686: 361 Nossa Senhora do Monserrate of 1728: 399 Nossa Senhora do Monte do Carmo e Santo Elias, 394 Nossa Senhora do Monte, 459 Nossa Senhora do Oliveira, 299 Nossa Senhora do Paraiso of 1622: 279 Nossa Senhora do Paraiso of 1724: 394 Nossa Senhora do Pilar of 1714: 383 Nossa Senhora do Pilar of 1724: 394 Nossa Senhora do Populo, 270 Nossa Senhora do Remedios, 263 Nossa Senhora do Rosario e Santo Andre, 408 Nossa Senhora do Rosario e Santo, 300 Nossa Senhora do Rosario of 1596: 242 Nossa Senhora do Rosario of 1645: 310 Nossa Senhora do Rosario of 1648: 313 Nossa Senhora do Salvacao, 262 Nossa Senhora do Vitoria, 375 Nossa Senhora dos Remedios of 1616: 264 Nossa Senhora dos Remedios of pre-1670: 342 Nottingham Galley, 379 Nottingham, 415 Nuestra Senora de Anunciada, 297 Nuestra Senora de Atocha of 1641: 304 Nuestra Senora de Atocha of 1691: 366 Nuestra Senora de Atocha of 1816: 503 Nuestra Senora de Ayuda, 304 Nuestra Senora de Begonia of 1605: 254 Nuestra Senora de Begonia of 1694: 369 Nuestra Senora de Belem, 411 Nuestra Senora de Buena Esperanza, 310 Nuestra Senora de Carmen, 295 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1553: 182 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1566: 199 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1590: 232 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1638: 301 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1641: 304 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1648: 312 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1682: 353 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1716: 385 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1732: 404 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1765: 452 Nuestra Senora de Concepcion of 1783: 466 Nuestra Senora de Consolacion of 1563: 196 Nuestra Senora de Consolacion of 1612: 263 Nuestra Senora de Encarnacion of 1649: 314 Nuestra Senora de Encarnacion of 1681: 352 Nuestra Senora de Gracia, 232 Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe, 217 Nuestra Senora de Guardia, 443 Nuestra Senora de Guia of 1623: 281 Nuestra Senora de Guia of 1642: 305 Nuestra Senora de Guia of 1648: 312 Nuestra Senora de Guia of 1819: 511 Nuestra Senora de Juncal, 292 Nuestra Senora de la Assumpcion, 352 Nuestra Senora de la Balbanera, 475 Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion of 1563: 195 Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion of 1586: 224 Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion of 1671: 343 Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion of 1691: 365 Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion of 1775: 459 Nuestra Senora de la Encina, 299 Nuestra Senora de la Ermita, 455 Nuestra Senora de la Esperanza, 389 Nuestra Senora de la Luz, 195 Nuestra Senora de la O, 494 Nuestra Senora de la Pena, etc., 233 Nuestra Senora de la Purification, 239 Nuestra Senora de la Rosa, 219 Nuestra Senora de la Vida, 270 Nuestra Senora de las Maravillas, 320 Nuestra Senora de las Vinas, 385 Nuestra Senora de Loreto of 1550: 179 Nuestra Senora de Loreto of 1719: 388 Nuestra Senora de Loreto of 1792: 479 Nuestra Senora de los Delores, 415 Nuestra Senora de los Remedios, 199 Nuestra Senora de los Remedios, 237 Nuestra Senora de los Reyes, 254 Nuestra Senora de Merced, 421 Nuestra Senora de Mercedes, 493 Nuestra Senora de Milagres, 276 Nuestra Senora de Misericordia, 294 Nuestra Senora de Pilar, 419 Nuestra Senora de Regla, 322 Nuestra Senora de Remedios, 224 Nuestra Senora de Rosario of 1591: 233 Nuestra Senora de Rosario of 1593: 237 Nuestra Senora de Rosario of 1605: 255 Nuestra Senora de Rosario of 1675: 346 Nuestra Senora de Rosario of 1753: 437 Nuestra Senora de Rosario of 1793: 499 Nuestra Senora de Soccorro, 232 Nuestra Senora de Solidad, 422 Nuestra Senora de Vitoria, 232 Nuestra Senora del Carmen, 365 Nuestra Senora del Mar, 366 Nuestra Senora del Pinar, 363 Nuestra Senora del Rosario of 1588: 228 Nuestra Senora del Rosario of 1591: 233 Nuestra Senora del Rosario of 1600: 248 Nuestra Senora del Rosario of 1656: 321 Nuestra Senora del Rosario of 1758: 444 Nuestra Senora del Rosario y Christoval, 403 Nuestra Senora del Rosario y Santa Isabel, 403 Nuestra Senora del Soccorro y Santa Isabel, 240
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2005, 11:16:47 am » |
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I didn't have any ideia about the enormous quantity of lost ships, i'm shocked...!  Thanks for the info. Capela ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tesoro Sand Shark, Compadre, DetectorPro Wader, Explorer XS -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2005, 08:55:34 pm » |
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What do you have for the Isles of Shoals 1798 plus or minus 2 years. Thanks, ss
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2005, 02:55:22 am » |
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Sirs, What do you have for the British Virgin Islands or Virgin Islands. I will try download your book plus do you offer maps etc? Regards James
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2005, 02:47:38 pm » |
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Anything listed from 1644  ? I would be very interested in haering about those  . Thanks, Wallycoz
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2005, 11:28:26 pm » |
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Hi guys and gals. New here,,, Glad to find you. I lived in Key West in 74 and 75 and turned into a fish in no time. Just as I was learning what I had at my fingertips I was forced to move back to ,,,, yup,, Kansas. Now I am getting older, (had heart bypass three weeks ago) I am starting to get an itch to explore, even if I have to do it from my computer. I have a Magellan Gps that has a map program for my computer (you probably have the same thing) that I can place waypoints on gps locations. I saw your list of wrecks and would love to log all of them on my gps map. I have almost all the abandoned government missle silos marked. Can you send me Any GPS coordinates to ship wrecks you may have via E-mail? To give you all a little taste of what I am go to this link. I am a certified scuba diver now. Kinda land locked. We dive at the clear water lakes of Arkansas and Missouri, Beaver and Table rock. Thanks for any info you might send. http://community.webshots.com/album/251914063BnyFDM
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2005, 08:54:20 am » |
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Mr. WallyCoz,
As per your inquiry, listed below are shipwrecks from 1644 contained in ?Chronicles of Shipwrecks and Sunken Treasure? available from SevenSeasPublishing.com
The list contains the name of the ship, nationality, country of loss, date of loss, and page number in book.
Wijdenes, Dutch, Vietnam, 1644, 307 Santa Antonio, Portuguese, Mozambique, 1644, 309 Mauritius Island, Dutch, South Africa, 1644, 309 Vliegend Hart, Dutch, Taiwan, 1644, 309
Best Regards, Alan R. Riebe, Author
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2005, 04:23:06 pm » |
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Thanks elsalvador but, I was referring more specifically to the Spanish Flota of 14 ships that went down on the WEST side of Los Martos (Florida Keys) in 1644. Have found only a very few references to these wrecks and I believe I may know the general whereabouts. Before I go investing, i was wanting to try to exhaust all sources, short of going to the Archives myself.
Thanks anyway,
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2005, 05:59:36 pm » |
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For Mr. WallyCoz: Correction, the Dutch ship "Wijdenes" wrecked off Vietnam in 1643 not 1644. The cargo consisted of slightly more than 59 long tons of coined and bar silver. How much was afterwards salvaged, if any, is presently unknown. Best of luck in your search for the 1644 Spanish ships there in the Keys.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2005, 07:01:36 pm » |
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Wallcoz I can find no 1644 wrecks listed in the area can you give us a little more on where you got your information. I did find you site on my charts. Funny I was out that way last year and I had to layto for the night and tucked in behind the banks to change a prop the next morning.
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Wallcoz we will be underway from New Orleans in the next 30 to 45 days we are doing a fresh bottom on the boat and a few other much needed repairs. Drop me an email so we might hook up and look this site over. krugerrand@peoplepc.com? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Judy & Jim Aboard ? ? ? ? ? ~~~~?S/V KRUGERRAND ~~~~ New Orleans
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2005, 08:10:21 pm » |
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The United States has not suffered great loss of life from hurricanes when compared to the rest of the world. The typhoon of 1881 at Haifong, Indochina reportedly caused the death of 300,000. The Bay of Bengal cyclones of 1864 and 1876 resulted in the estimated loss of life of 150,000 from drowning and 130,000 from disease afterwards. The typhoon at Mille in the Marshall Islands reported a storm surge of 46 feet in height.
The word hurricane is believed to have been derived from the Spanish word "huracan" of the West Indies Arawak-speaking Indians. Other possible derivatives are: Aracan, Hurranvucan, Urican and Furacan. The Spanish letter F in Aragon, Spain was gradually being replaced by letter H of Castile in the late 1400s. Hurricanes troubled the early European ships from the beginning of the discovery of the New World. Columbus on his second voyage experienced the first recorded West Indies tropical disturbance while near the Isle of Pines, Cuba that could have been a hurricane. Normally, beginning each June, they and dust are blown from Africa by the trade winds. Some go straight, but most make a northward recurve. Later in the season, some originate to our south and sweep northward. An early example, though not generally accepted as hurricane force, was the hurricane that wrecked Tristan De Luna's fleet on October 19, 1559 while he was trying to establish a settlement at Ochuse, now Pensacola, Florida. Hurricanes have always been a part of Keys history. Two of the better known early hurricanes were in 1622 and 1733. On September 6, 1622, at least six ships of the Spanish Terra Firma Fleet were wrecked near the Dry Tortugas, taking the lives of 550 people. Perhaps the most famous of these ships is the Atocha which Mel Fisher discovered in 1985. The second disaster was the New Spain Armada of which 19 of 21 ships wrecked in the Upper and Middle Keys on July 15, 1733. Three of the better known of these ships in our area are the San Pedro, San Jose and Infante. Key West's first recorded hurricane was in September, 1835; but the October 11, 1846 hurricane is generally considered its most intense. Reports of loss of life ranged from 25 to 58. The 58 may have included some lost at sea. The population of Key West was about 2,000 in 1846. Of the estimated 600 houses, all but eight were severely damaged or destroyed. Both the Key West and Sand Key lighthouses were completely destroyed, with no occupants surviving. There were about 20 people in the lighthouses. The U.S. weather service began in 1870 as a function of the Army Signal Corps that relayed data twice a day to Washington by telegraph. Congress created the weather bureau in 1890 under the Department of Agriculture. On October 15, 1999, the eye of Hurricane Irene barely missed the Upper Florida Keys after days of observation. After passing over Cuba as a tropical storm, Irene intensified over the Florida Straits to hurricane force and headed for the mainland. We know, and according to NOAA, most of her hurricane force winds were confined to her east, which were the Middle and Upper Keys. Afterward, as historians, we both realized that we had just experienced the last hurricane at the Keys of the millennium 1,000-1999. The experience inspired making the following list of known hurricanes at the Florida Keys, from our own individual files. Missing here is information on hurricanes of the first half of the millennium because the native people of Florida failed to develop writing. Can you imagine how much we would know if they had? This imagination has to be qualified, for the Spanish ridded the Indians, or at least tried to, of their religions, customs, and writings in other parts of the New World. Writings by the native people of Florida, if they existed, would have fared the same. Havana was founded c. 1517, and from records of that city only 90 miles away we can learn of probable hurricanes at the Keys; and later, from records of the also-near-by Bahama Islands. - Hurricanes of the 1500s - 1557 ? Havana, Cuba & Matanzas, 55 miles to the east were struck by a hurricane. It is probable that it also struck the Florida Keys 90 miles northward. - 1588 ?Havana was struck by a storm ?more destructive than that of 1557.? - Hurricanes of the 1600s - 1622 ? On Sept. 5th a hurricane struck a Spanish treasure fleet from Havana, sinking or grounding 8 ships at the Keys, including the Atocha, found by Mel Fisher 363 years later, in 1985. Over 500 people on the ships perished. - 1622 - On Oct. 5th another hurricane struck, while survivors of 3 ships wrecked at the Dry Tortugas were still there; the sea almost covered the islets. In this second hurricane the Atocha broke into 2 parts at her gunports; the deck floated several miles away from the hull, spilling cannon all the way. Because divers kept checking the cannon locations the effort to find the hull with its motherlode spanned 14 years. - 1640 ? A Dutch fleet commanded by Cornelius Jol (called by the Spanish ?Peg Leg the Pirate?) suffered a hurricane off Havana while lying in wait for the yearly treasure fleet; 4 ships of his fleet were wrecked by the storm on the Cuban shore. - 1692 ? On October 24th a hurricane destroyed buildings in Havana and sank a St. Augustine supply ship near Key Biscayne; those aboard were rescued by a ship from Havana. - Hurricanes of the 1700s - 1730 ? A hurricane struck Havana and Matanzas, Cuba destroying buildings. - 1733 ? On July 15th a 22-ship treasure fleet was struck at the Keys by hurricane, leaving 13 ships sank or grounded, forever, in the 80 miles between Elliott Key and Key Vaca. After the storm perhaps a thousand people were left to survive for days on their sorry hulks or on the islets until help from Havana could arrive. One of North America?s greatest maritime disasters, it was unknown in our history until 1938, when diver Art McKee began his underwater and archival investigations of a ?cannon wreck? shown to him by Islamorada fisherman Reggie Roberts. - 1756 ? On Oct. 2nd and 3rd a hurricane with heavy rains struck Havana. 1759 ? In September a ?gale? from the Northeast so greatly impeded the Florida Current that water backed up causing the Dry Tortugas to disappear. 1768 ? On Oct. 15th a hurricane struck Havana resulting in over 500 homes destroyed, 69 ships wrecked in the harbor and 17 deaths. - 1769 ? A strong ?Northeast gale? pushed the current to the west and with it the Ledbury, Capt. John Lorain, onto the south end of Elliott Key. Surveyor Bernard Romans may have witnessed the attempted salvage, naming the location ?Ledbury Key? on his map. The water covered the tops of the highest trees on Key Largo and flooded Old Rhodes and Tavernier Keys to a depth of 3 feet. - 1780 ? A hurricane possibly affecting the Dry Tortugas wrecked a Spanish fleet between there and the western end of Cuba - 1785 ? Heavy damage sustained at Havana in a hurricane; 4 vessels sank in the harbor. - 1791 ? On June 21st and 22nd a ?horrible storm? occurred at Havana resulting in 3,000 people on the island killed principally by flood waters. - 1794 ? A ?dreadful? hurricane August 25th occurred at Havana ? 100 bodies were recovered in the harbor the day after. At the Keys, 2 vessels wrecked. The crew of the Vigilant stayed on their water-filled hulk 48 hours without food or water until found by Bahamian wreckers. - 1796 ? Bahamian wreckers who were likely at the Keys reported a severe gale on the coast of Florida early September. The Bahamas was also struck.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2005, 06:29:52 pm » |
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The NOAA Weather Web Site has a link to hurricanes of the past. Two categories (i.e.. more than 25 killed and less than 25 killed). Please note that in 1644, a storm blew across Cuba and into the Straights of Florida in October of 1644 taking approx 1500 lives. Couple this with the 14 ships that allegedly went down after leaving Cuba in October. It is a two day trip to sight Key West. On the morning of the Second day, the weather turned into a nightmare. To make a long story short, the Flota was blown into the Gulf, South of Tortugas. They were for the most part OK. They were not hit by the eye of the storm and they were in open waters. As we have seen in even recent history, this storm made a 180* turn and hit them from behind, slamming them into the Gulf side of the Keys. I have only seen two written accounts of this event. The general consensus is that they were broke up on the Bamboo Banks which is North of Grassy Key at MM 63. NOT!!! The Banks are only in 8 feet of water for hundreds of square miles around! Ships of that time drew 16-18 feet, fully loaded maybe more. Even if they did go down in the area, they would not have been able to get within 20 miles of the Banks as the shallow depths, even in a Storm would have cracked them like an eggshell on one deep swell. Of the 14 ships that sailed, 10 were a total loss. The other four were able to support crew with sparse supplies and some lumber. None were sea worthy. The captain of one of the surviving ships is said to have kept a 100 day diary of the events. Some 3-4 months later, the very few survivors were able to flag down some ships and were taken back to Cuba. A party was dispatched to recover the treasures but after that much time had passed, the majority of the treasure had already been hidden by the sea and sands. I believe I have the Key to unlocking this!!![/b]
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2005, 04:21:45 pm » |
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Here is why I say I may have the key to this little 1644 mystery! What you are looking at is the result of an old wooden submerged shipwreck. The wooden timbers will change the bottom soil and plants. Sometimes a different type of plant will grow and feed on the minerals and nutrients in the timber. This type of vegetation may not be found anywhere else in the area! I have been to this one. It is in the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary! It is on the Gulf Side! It is in the general vicinty where I thought the 1644 wrecks should have ended up! And it is no where near the Bamboo Banks!!! Sorry I will not pull back to expose the local islands. It is in a very soft bottom and grassy location inside a reef line on the East side of a key but, on the West side of the main Florida Keys. In other words, it got there only by way of violent storm surge. It is only about 800-1000 yards from deeper water that would have been no problem for it otherwise. I have been standing on top of this wreck and it is DEEP in the muck. None of my detecting equipment would make a chirp! The bow and stern are plainly visible with a seperation of about 300 yards. See, in the keys you can look for it, you just can't do anything with it once you find it! That's the LAW! 
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