Harold, can't thank you enough for all your tremendous, well thought out effort! As far as the website Scoop, again, Thank you! However, My impression is that having one would be a LOT of work and time for someone(s). I doubt you have that time, and so far no one's volunteered in helping with one either, probably because no one knows how to (am I being presumptuous here?). I feel this group on the forum should only grow, so if we have to put aside our plans for a website right now that dosen't mean we can't get it going again later when we have the support. I'm not discouraged at all because we've been exposed to some really great groups out there which I didn't even know about till now. If we have to put this on hold for now I'm still joining my local PFUSA, OIM, and Happy Camp's chapter of PFUSA (close to my old stomping grounds). That's only $65 a year. Pretty cheap and they all do tremendous good. Others will also be joining effective groups. So this whole thing has been really constructive. However, it ain't over yet, so we'll sit tight and see what PFUSA says even though our numbers are a lot fewer than we thought. Who knows, we may get a lot more responses as well here in the next few days? Thanks again Scoop! RC