Somewhere on some enviro forum, or some college campus, or Babbitts office, etc, they are angrily discussing why the Oregon State Government would allow THEIR right to keep you off that land to be forfeited. After all, they are the ones who are right, right? At least they are the ones who think they are and have the money and the balls to follow through with it. Right now they are using this to ask for more donations, so they can save the redwood, or the spotted owl, or some slug, or whatever. But I can bet that you will get a visit now that you said what you did. Billy