"THE BEST EXAMPLES OF CHIPPED FLINT WORK EVER FOUND IN AMERICA!"
i lived in mackinaw for a little while and still hunt this area, wist i could find some of this art work (wow) just wanted to share this incase nobody has see it! http://www.lithiccastinglab.com/gall...chmackinaw.htm
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Very fine pieces. While I agree that those are incredible specimens, I must disagree that they are the best examples of chipped flint. The Mayans pretty much hold that honor. Their skills far surpass any others that I have ever seen. For north of the Mayan range, the Caddo take top spot. Nobody..I repeat...NOBODY can knap as thin as the Caddo (Sweetwater biface and several others). I do agree that the Hopewell were some master craftsmen though and very skillful knappers!
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Originally Posted by midwest hillbilly
didn't know Mayans lived in north america
You said "america", not North America. And yes, they did exist in North America. I will also stick by my statement that the Caddo were far better knappers.
some archaeologists believe Hopewell Adena to be a northern extension of classical mesoamerican civilization.
chaco canyon, mesa verde, many southwest sites have distinctly mesoamerican influence
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THE BEST EXAMPLES OF CHIPPED FLINT WORK EVER FOUND IN AMERICA!"
(A comment made by Dr. W. H. Holmes---Smithsonian Institution a comment that one person made maybe not the best examples but then again they might be!! i just thought i'd share what i found it's interesting for me since i live 30 mins away from were they were found heres anouther qoute Dr. W. H. Holmes, Head Curator ofAnthropology at the Smithsonian Institution,United States National Museum, and notedscholar of prehistoric lithic technology wrote:“Undoubtedly, they represent the most skilful work in stone flaking that has yet beenfound in this country” (Letter from W. H.Holmes to Mr. Frank W. Aldrich, January 22,1917)(McLean County Historical Society).Peter A. Bostrom’s photograph captures theessence of Holmes’ appreciation of the crafts-manship invested in the making of these arti-facts, and there is little doubt that the Macki-naw Cache remains one of the premier ex-amples of chipped-stone technology in NorthAmerica “They are too delicate to be of practicaluse—and not the right size for warfare. Theyare pure examples of art for art’s sake” (FrankW. Aldrich, 1916).“They were doubtless offerings to thegods and made for that purpose” (W. H.Holmes, 1917).
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Pippin - the Hopewell came well after the Adena. However, it's speculated that the Hopewell may have come from the Adena. This is very possible, due to the fact that the Waubesa and Dickson (both Hopewell) are contracting stemmed similar to some Adena forms. The Maya civilization lasted longer than both of the others until the arrival of the Spanish. It's undoubted that the Maya and other southern civilizations did have trade and an influence on the northern natives. You can especially see this in the Mississippian period and Southern Death Cult centers such as Spiro (maces, etc).
Hillbilly - I in no way meant to demean the Hopewell by my statement. In fact, I have studied the Hopewell in-depth and it is one of my favorite cultures. I love to discuss them and the artwork that they created. There are alot of things about them that most people aren't familiar with. Alot of people think that Paleo people had a monopoly on the core and blade technology, not so! They also frequently used flake over grinding and other exotic flaking techniques. You wouldn't believe how many obliquely flaked Hopewell scrapers get mistaken for paleo! Did you know, it's also a common occurrence to find points from the Snyders cluster with ground bases in the southern fringes of their range? They also utilized square knives frequently, which also are commonly mistaken for something much older.
Anyways, thanks for the link and the great topic. I'm up past my bedtime and REALLY need to hit the sack..lol
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Originally Posted by jamey
looks like that statement was made a long time ago.what year did they find the duck river cache? thanks. jamey
1890's on the "Duck River cache", i believe. The Duck River artifacts have no rivals that I have seen, but these points posted here are just as impressive in their own right, respective of design. I also like the Wenatchee cache blades for their color variants.
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thats a really neat story behind that site (25 lbs axe) wow that would scare anything away lol and if it wouldn't the size of the indians arm's (it take two hands to swing it) that was carrying it would.
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Originally Posted by Neanderthal
Pippin - the Hopewell came well after the Adena. However, it's speculated that the Hopewell may have come from the Adena. This is very possible, due to the fact that the Waubesa and Dickson (both Hopewell) are contracting stemmed similar to some Adena forms. The Maya civilization lasted longer than both of the others until the arrival of the Spanish. It's undoubted that the Maya and other southern civilizations did have trade and an influence on the northern natives. You can especially see this in the Mississippian period and Southern Death Cult centers such as Spiro (maces, etc).
Hillbilly - I in no way meant to demean the Hopewell by my statement. In fact, I have studied the Hopewell in-depth and it is one of my favorite cultures. I love to discuss them and the artwork that they created. There are alot of things about them that most people aren't familiar with. Alot of people think that Paleo people had a monopoly on the core and blade technology, not so! They also frequently used flake over grinding and other exotic flaking techniques. You wouldn't believe how many obliquely flaked Hopewell scrapers get mistaken for paleo! Did you know, it's also a common occurrence to find points from the Snyders cluster with ground bases in the southern fringes of their range? They also utilized square knives frequently, which also are commonly mistaken for something much older.
Anyways, thanks for the link and the great topic. I'm up past my bedtime and REALLY need to hit the sack..lol
My two cents is not worth much.I,m not near as knowledgeable as most in this forum.But living in southern Ohio all my life I,ve believe the Hopewell may have derived from the Adena.
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Originally Posted by midwest hillbilly
