My friends findings from spring of 2009

[larson1951]

I let a friend of mine hunt this spring maybe 6 or 8 times
he showed me these two frames with some of the stuff he found

[archer66]

Man you sure seem to find a lot of the side notched with square stems....do you ID them as Godar??

Love the shell/trinkets too.

[larson1951]

Hi Arch, I do not know about the ID, what do you mean by this, I would be pleased to know all I can
I thank you for in advance for any info you can give me

[archer66]

I'm a bit of a rookie at this as you can probably tell and was hoping to learn from you.

I've been doing a lot of looking and researching and one thing I've found is that there is a lot of variation in id of points. A lot of it may be regional, subjectivity, overlap of similar design, etc...

The Illinois State Museum shows 4 side notched flat base points ID'd as "Matanzas", "Godar", "Maples Mill", and "Trimble"...yours looks just like Godar to me.....http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdep...ification.html

The Ohio Historical Society shows only 1 point that looks like yours and they ID it as "Racoon Notched Point"....http://www.oplin.org/point/identify/.../racoonpt.html

[quito]

"Man you sure seem to find a lot of the side notched with square stems....do you ID them as Godar??"

Nope, they are just a Plains Side Notched point. Not Godar. Check out Overstreets for a description, they accurately describe them just as they appear. They are a very common type up here, and much nicer than the Prairie Side Notch.

Here are some of mine.


Joel

[quito]

Larson.

You need to get a copy of the Overstreet Identification and price guide. This will help you ID many of the types you run into over there. You can order one on-line from Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com, just to name a couple places.

[archer66]

Larson.

You need to get a copy of the Overstreet Identification and price guide. This will help you ID many of the types you run into over there. You can order one on-line from Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com, just to name a couple places.

I ordered that same book last week..hope to have it soon. You comment to me above about Godar is just what I'm talking about....The two websited I checked don't mention a "Plains Side Notched"....I'm not saying you are wrong....you know way more than I do about it...but point id often seems to come down to who you ask What differentiates this from Godar or from any other side notch point with flat square stem other than region or age?? Size?? Flake pattern...if so I don't have the eye for that yet

[larson1951]

man that is a nice frame of points
your points are pretty much the same as what I find
mainly chert, agate and KRF

[quito]

What differentiates this from Godar or from any other side notch point with flat square stem other than region or age?? Size?? Flake pattern...if so I don't have the eye for that yet

Many things can differentiate similar point types including some you mentioned..

The Plains side notch are an arrow point. They are small to medium in size, Godar are medium to large in size, and were likely dart points. Many people don't realize that the Bow and Arrow are pretty recent comers to this continent. The spear or lance was in use much longer than the Bow and arrow, and their projectiles were usually much larger than the more modern and smaller arrow points..

[quito]

"man that is a nice frame of points
your points are pretty much the same as what I find
mainly chert, agate and KRF"

Well I suppose. They come from the same general area Larson. They don't change much at all up and down the Missouri River breaks in the Dakota's.

You site is typical, and I bet I can guess within 15 miles north or south of a certain town where it is.

And, if you'd pm me where it is, I could probably put a meaningfull site report in your possession like I offered to earlier.

Here are some Triangles, I bet they look the same too.

[SoIll]

Nice moss agate. I'd like to see some more of that. What area is it generally found in?
Larson your buddy has found some nice stuff too. That thing in the second pic at the top left looks like an eccentric. I like the spoon too.

[larson1951]

the trianglular points look exactly the same as mine
that thing in the second picture upper left really puzzles me, what is an eccentric?