Woodland Triangles with Archaic like Bevels?

[Th3rty7]

Weird title huh? These sw Pa. pieces have always puzzled me. Woodland and possibly mississippian triangular forms with archaic like beveled edges. Honestly they look more like miniature Cobbs knives than typical triangle forms. These four are beveled on opposite sides and have the look of an early archaic beveled point when looking straight at them.

Has anyone seen this before in woodland or mississippian pieces? I've got some other resharpened triangles from different areas, but they're nothing like these. I'm wondering and would be interested to know if this was some local technique or if it shows up in other areas as well.

The last piece is also from sw Pa, made of flint ridge(I think) and it has woodland and paleo characteristics. The flaking could go either way imo, but the concave base, thinness and light basal grinding suggest paleo? What do you think?

[crow12c]

That aint right man.lol. wow Id have to leave out the woodland part, they cant be, right? did you find these yourself?

[uniface]

Some of them look like they could be broken hafted points/knives that were re-based.

[Tnmountains]

Made that way is my bet. I forget the names but look up edgefield scraper from the gulf coast area. Old stuff technology probably scooted over from the coast. I have a couple from down in the area Americus hunts. They are a very bizarr edge.Wonder if Matt Rowe has seen them? Sure they are not early archaic and not woodlands??
Cool stuff

[Newt]

It's easier to sharpen 2 sides than 4 sides even today. Never seen woodland do it, but makes sense.
Newt

[Th3rty7]

Made that way is my bet. I forget the names but look up edgefield scraper from the gulf coast area. Old stuff technology probably scooted over from the coast. I have a couple from down in the area Americus hunts. They are a very bizarr edge.Wonder if Matt Rowe has seen them? Sure they are not early archaic and not woodlands??
Cool stuff

I'm not sure they have woodland form but archaic flaking? I look into edgefield types, thanks.

[Th3rty7]

Some of them look like they could be broken hafted points/knives that were re-based.

possible but they seem to be whole and complete, never seen this on woodland points?

[Th3rty7]

It's easier to sharpen 2 sides than 4 sides even today. Never seen woodland do it, but makes sense.
Newt

true, good point. for knives anyway, not sure about true arrowheads, if that's what these are.

[creek astronaut]

any way we could see all in one pic?the piece in the 5th pic looks like a paleo piece,but the pic is at a hard angle to see.nice stuff 37

[uniface]

http://www.nps.gov/seac/benning-book/ch01/f009.jpg

Second from left. Found in

http://www.nps.gov/seac/benning-book/ch01.htm

[Th3rty7]

all in one frame

[creek astronaut]

yea the second one from left and the one at the bottom both look like early pieces to me.the bottom one looks kind of like a quad,it has the recurved blade and auricles.and the other one does have a daltonish look?Are the bases ground on either of those pieces??the second one from the left may even be a hardaway blade/preform?nice stuff 37.

[Th3rty7]

yea the second one from left and the one at the bottom both look like early pieces to me.the bottom one looks kind of like a quad,it has the recurved blade and auricles.and the other one does have a daltonish look?Are the bases ground on either of those pieces??the second one from the left may even be a hardaway blade/preform?nice stuff 37.

Appreciate the help and I'm in agreement with you and uniface on the possible Dalton type, although I would expect more secondary edgework. It could be a unfluted fluted type , quad makes sense too though with the extended ears? Mystery piece? It has slight grinding on the undamaged areas of the base, it's most noticeable around the ears. The white chalcedony piece is heavily ground on the sides and base.

[creek astronaut]

yea the bottom piece sure likes a quad in outline atleast and appears to be thinned at the base,i was thinking the auricles were a little banged up and would extend out further if not damaged,are the auricles damaged?although with quads i would think the base would be pretty ground?? you may have to call it a mystery piece.did you find those?

[Th3rty7]

The auricles are complete, no breakage, just dinged up a little. I bought these from a guy in Pa., story goes that they were collected by uncle Willey who picked them up working on the roads crew along route 40 near Ft. Necessity. I appreciate the fact that ol' Willey lumped all triangular forms together...lol.

[creek astronaut]

lol.gotta love those ole uncle willeys.them some old triangles you got from uncle willey.lol.