scrapers

[larson1951]

I ran across this scraper frame
this a representative sampling of what is found in the dakotas
I don't think I have ever found a hafted scraper
these never had handles, they were held between the thumb and first finger
around here they are known as 'thumb scrapers'
larson1951

[Neogeo]

That is a great assortment of scrapers,& lithics....What do the call them up there Thumb scrapers,duckbill scrapers,or duckbill thumb scrapers....just wonderin.....great frame thatnx for sharein

[larson1951]

Around here these are called 'thumb scrapers' and the real thick ones are called 'turtle back scrapers'
the third image shows a few examples of the old culture scrapers
the top row on the left and the piece to the upper right of the middle have graver spurs on either side of the leading edge
the scrapers with the rounded noses are the newest and more recent cultures
the ones with the more straight scraping edge usually are the ones with one or two graver tips are from the oldest cultures
larson1951

[Neogeo]

Thank you...I had to go back and now I see the graver bits.....

[larson1951]

thanks neo, they are graver tips, not graver bits, but I guess bits works good also
lars

[Neogeo]

so are the gravers what they used to insize the bone and such?

[The Grim Reaper]

Larson, we find the same exact Scrapers here on my sites and we actually call them the same exact names. We use the terms Thumb Scraper and Turtleback Scraper also. The Thumb type is always uniface with a very nice scraper at one end and the Turtlebacks are always bifacially chipped and a little thicker but the always show polish on the scraping edge.

Also, just to let you know, these types of Scrapers were actually hafted. I'm sure some were used by hand, but the majority of them was more than likely in bone or wooden handles. I copied this statement off a website and here's the link to the site too.

"Turtle-backed" scrapers, so-called for their rounded hump-back appearance, likely were hafted in bone or wooden handles for use in butchering and preparing animal hides. Also called snubnosed end scrapers, the scrapers were chipped unifacially (on one side) on a stone flake and beveled on the wide end. They are commonly found in Late Prehistoric sites, particularly those of bison hunting people.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...26tbs%3Disch:1

[The Grim Reaper]

so are the gravers what they used to insize the bone and such?

Neo, yeah I'm sure that's what they were used for.

All of these have an Engraver Spur on them.

[Neogeo]

Thank you for the sweet info.I need to look deeper into that site.

[Neogeo]

So do ya think this one was used in the same way.?

[Tnmountains]

Nice displays Larson and Srv. Good information. I found a turtle back the other day. I only learned to start keeping that stuff from reading on this forum. No telling how much I passed up.
Good post
TnMtns

[larson1951]

thanks for the post srv, your scrapers are very similar to the dakota pieces
it seems like the dakota scrapers are a little bit more uniform in shape than the ohio pieces
I am not trying to act smart here and I sure would like to have your opinion
I thank you in advance for your response
larson1951

[creek astronaut]

steve is correct,i also believe you have a few preforms and knives in the pics.

[larson1951]

CA, thanks
which steve are you refering to, me or srv?
the pieces I posted are all scrapers
they are all finished and have no flaking on the back side, and all show use on the leading (scraping) edge
larson1951

[SoIll]

here you go

[lostcauses]

Look at the angle of the finish flaking on the faces also. It will vary to the groups that made then.

[larson1951]

yes lost,
the angle of the scraping edge on my scrapers is very close to 90 degrees
the sides are only about 30 degrees
soill's pictures show those scrapers to have the same angle (approx 75 degrees)on the front and sides
its funny that the scrapers with all of it's variations is a simple yet complex tool
lars

[Neogeo]

This is turning out to be a super informative thread..I love the hafted scraper pic

[larson1951]

here are a few side shots showing the leading(scraping) edge showing the steep angle
also a shot or two from the back showing the lesser angle of the sides
it looks like the ones shown with the handles are more of the same angle on the front and sides
jmho
lars