"bird" points

**ohio** · Jul 26, 2010, 02:41 PM

Here are some "bird" points that I have found. The triangle was found last week in my buddy's garden when I was picking veggies. It is made of Boyle chert.

I really, really like these little points and I see relatively few of them in most personally found collections in my area. I wish I had a bucket of them. Feel free to post yours, especially if they are from around my area!

Chuck

**The Grim Reaper** · Jul 26, 2010, 04:46 PM

Nice ones Chuck.

Here's a tray full of some of my better ones all personal finds from the Scioto county area.

**Th3rty7** · Jul 26, 2010, 10:13 PM

I really like the " bird points ", " true arrowheads " , " war points " ( whatever you want to call them ) ALOT. The delicate pressure flaking work, fine materials and that they were shot from a bow at game and other people is very interesting imo.

Here's some from my collection, the first frame is WV and Va. The second is some from Ohio and Kentucky. The first one is one of my favorites because of the material and serrations. It was found in se WV.

**Tnmountains** · Jul 26, 2010, 10:26 PM

Great show guys. I think the skill level and technology in these fort ancients,hamiltons and guntersville points is hard to beat. Beautiful work.
HH
TnMtns

**Molly.** · Jul 27, 2010, 10:55 AM

I like "Birdies" Best. Great lookin points guys. Here are a few of mine.
The "war arrow" is a favourite, its Caddoan. I suspect all of these are Caddoan..

**ohio** · Jul 27, 2010, 11:12 AM

Nice points all! Let's see some more folks.

**mainer** · Jul 27, 2010, 07:50 PM

Wow, great looking points everyone.

**Tnmountains** · Jul 27, 2010, 08:55 PM

Here are two of my favorite found little bird points. I am not sure if I have seen the first type posted very much.

Jacks Reef Pentagonal

Hamilton serrated

Nice points everyone

TnMtns

**creek astronaut** · Jul 27, 2010, 08:59 PM

great post chuck,and great lil flint everyone.

**Th3rty7** · Jul 27, 2010, 09:01 PM

Couple a beauties there Tn. I always forget that the Jacks Reef stuff was made by the " Bird Point " people.

**The Grim Reaper** · Jul 27, 2010, 09:11 PM

I never really considered a Triangle Point as a "Birdpoint' per se, but since we're posting some I'll post a few myself.

**The Grim Reaper** · Jul 27, 2010, 09:12 PM

Here's a few more.

**Tnmountains** · Jul 27, 2010, 09:27 PM

Nice Steve. You are quick with a camera. It takes me forever to dig things out. I remember you I.Ding the only true fort ancient point I had found. They are just not very common here... I need to get some more strange little points identified some day. I agree with Thirty7 that these small points were true killing points in latter times.

TnMtns

**Th3rty7** · Jul 27, 2010, 09:33 PM

I don't really consider any point to be a " bird point ". I just equate them to true arrowpoints shot from a bow. I don't know if it's right or wrong but to say that these small points were designed to kill birds is beyond ridiculous...sorry jmo.

**The Grim Reaper** · Jul 27, 2010, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Th3rty7

I don't really consider any point to be a " bird point ". I just equate them to true arrowpoints shot from a bow. I don't know if it's right or wrong but to say that these small points were designed to kill birds is beyond ridiculous...sorry jmo.

I agree 100% Ryan. I guess it's just that people have been calling these small points "Birdpoints" for so many years that the name just stuck. It's kind of like the old timers calling Triangle Points "War Points" when they were probably rarely used as weapons against another man.

**Tnmountains** · Jul 27, 2010, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by SRV

Originally Posted by Th3rty7

I don't really consider any point to be a " bird point ". I just equate them to true arrowpoints shot from a bow. I don't know if it's right or wrong but to say that these small points were designed to kill birds is beyond ridiculous...sorry jmo.

I agree 100% Ryan. I guess it's just that people have been calling these small points "Birdpoints" for so many years that the name just stuck. It's kind of like the old timers calling Triangle Points "War Points" when they were probably rarely used as weapons against another man.

I don't know Steve. With the advent to the bow the triangulars/birdies would make a nice tip for man or beast

Lets figure out what the purpose of triangulars were for. We did a post like that a long time ago.

http://www.museum.state.il.us/muslin...e_weapons.html

**Th3rty7** · Jul 28, 2010, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by TnMountains

Originally Posted by SRV

Originally Posted by Th3rty7

I don't really consider any point to be a " bird point ". I just equate them to true arrowpoints shot from a bow. I don't know if it's right or wrong but to say that these small points were designed to kill birds is beyond ridiculous...sorry jmo.

I agree 100% Ryan. I guess it's just that people have been calling these small points "Birdpoints" for so many years that the name just stuck. It's kind of like the old timers calling Triangle Points "War Points" when they were probably rarely used as weapons against another man.

I don't know Steve. With the advent to the bow the triangulars/birdies would make a nice tip for man or beast

Lets figure out what the purpose of triangulars were for. We did a post like that a long time ago.

I agree, just look at the history of the Shawnee culture of the Ohio river valley for example. They lived in Ohio and WV as early as the late1600's, fought the British along side the French and were known as fierce warriors. They used trianglular arrowheads for game hunting and warfare alike. Their artifacts, especially the projectile points are exactly like Ft. Ancient triangular points or Hamiltons.

http://ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=631

There are many historical accounts of Shawnees attacking and killing white settlers in Greenbrier county , West Virginia.

http://www.polsci.wvu.edu/wv/Greenbrier/grehistory.html

Check out the battle of Point Pleasant, where Shawnees killed hundreds of soldiers.

http://www.shgresources.com/wv/counties/greenbrier/

Here's an interesting list I found about the Sand Creek massacre in Colorado

http://www.kclonewolf.com/History/Sa...urlington.html

War points might be old timer slang, but in many cases it's correct. Many people were killed by the true arrowpoints we are talking about here. Every time I research Greenbrier county history or read the historical markers on the county roads I'm reminded of that.

**The Grim Reaper** · Jul 28, 2010, 01:43 AM

I always figured that by the time the Shawnee and others tribes were killing the whites that they would be using Metal Points, but I guess they could have still been using the stone arrows as well.