help on ID

[masonh]

I also found these at my only productive spot on the river that i access by kayak, the larger i believe is a jasper big sandy point, it is thin and pretty well made with basal grinding, i have no idea what the little point is though, any help is appreciated!

[Twitch]

Masonh - Where did you find the point? My first thought would be that it's not a Big Sandy and is maybe instead a Brewerton, but without knowing the area it was found it's tough to type a point.

[masonh]

found on the tidal james river in virginia, SE of Richmond

[masonh]

trying to resize again

[Th3rty7]

That's a nice early archaic jasper point. I am leaning towards Rowan because of the base style and where you found it. Big Sandy and Rowan are really similar point types, both are 9500 bp.

[Th3rty7]

Here's a description of the Rowan type.


http://www.lithicsnet.com/rowan.htm

[masonh]

thanks 37, i was thinking along those lines also, from what little i've been reading i gathered some schools of thought have rowan and big sandy as almost the same, i have really enjoyed seeing your stuff from va, you find more in one trip than me in a year! if you have any generic advice for a creek to hunt in the mountains (someplace that's not one of your honeyholes but where i;d have a reasonable chance of finding something) i'd like to hear it, ie. would hunting gravel and cobble in the jackson, maury or tye be worthwhile or would smaller intermittant streams be better?

also, what the heck is that little point i found? any ideas?

[Th3rty7]

When those stemmed types are resharpened to that size it's hard to type them. If I had to pick a specific type I'd say Buggs Island or Lamoka, but I'm probably way off.

The creeks I do well in are small to medium sized creeks that have meandered over the years. Changed course and eroded the banks above the flood plain. Small mountain spring creeks can be ideal because they haven't changed much over the years. I've found stuff before in larger rivers but it's usually isolated finds and you typically don't see the concentration of debitage and material in larger rivers with heavy water volume. The headwaters or source of larger rivers can be productive though imo. Construction or erosion areas above the flood plain on the second shelf along the big rivers in Va. is where you're likely to find heavy concentrations. Just my two cents.

[masonh]

thanks for the reply and advice on streams! it's much appreciated, i check out gravel bars on piedmont creeks occasionally and have never found the first thing, you know i hadn't even considered that the little point had been resharpened down from a larger stemmed point, but that makes good sense to me, thanks again