Is this a Shaft abrader? Please take a look.

[autographcollector11]

Please look at these pictures. One looks like a cupping/nutting stone. The other looks to be an abrader (on the left)-it is clearly sandstone. There are 2 notches on the piece. The picture does not show them all. If you take a pen, it fits perfectly within the slots from front to back.

Please let me know your thoughts. How old could these be?

[larson1951]

it is a shaft polisher rather than an abrader
it is nice

[autographcollector11]

Thanks.
How old could the polisher be?

[The Grim Reaper]

I'm not sure what Steve sees in those rocks, but all I see is 3 natural stones and not artifacts.

[joshuaream]

The one with a groove looks like water erosion, did it come from a river or a beach?

[larson1951]

i was only looking at the one on the left
i have one like it with 4 grooves, only it is about twice as long
steve

[flintdigger]

I agree the one on the left look's like it could have been used as a tool like an abraider. Could we possiably get another photo maybe closer of the spot that that look's like a groove in the stone

[WV sifter]

The one on the left may be altered by man,im gonna have to go with SRV on this one though,they look like just rocks/geofacts...BTW what type of area where these found in, where they found on artifact productive ground?

[The Grim Reaper]

Here's the first thread he started about these pieces and I still stand by my statement that they are natural.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,424473.0.html

[autographcollector11]

Here are more pictures. I really do think that one is an arrow shaft smoother. Does not seem to have a natural look to it. Seeing it in person does show more detail than the picture. I also added a better one of the other one-I have been told that it is a nutting stone. Definitely not fossils-rather they are swirls as if someone/something was grinding it down.
What do you think?

[catherine1]

They all look natural to me. And I dig a lot of naturals!

[larson1951]

here SRV look
this is what i was thinking of
what do think?
steve l
larson1951

[The Grim Reaper]

Steve, what you are showing and the pieces you sent me are definitely Shaft Abraders. I just don't think his is. Look at his last post and the first picture. The groove isn't uniform from one end to the other and has that rough spot, or obtrusion, on the far left of the groove. I think if it had been used as an Abrader it would be smooth from one end to the other just like yours and the ones I have.

I may be wrong, but from what I see in the pictures I say it's natural.

[larson1951]

yup steve i see now what you mean
you are prolly right
i know you can agree with what i thought but i think i am wrong (first time ever) lol
steve

[flintdigger]

I see what you are talking about the groove is not uniform or smooth as it would be with an abraider.

[Bajahunter]

Do old tools still work?
Larson. Do any of your shaft abraiders still work?
Is functionality ever used to determine the difference between tool and geofact?

[autographcollector11]

Thanks everyone. Your help is appreciated. I did locate shells from a shell mound a mile or so away. I also found what appears to be a hammer stone in the same location as the sandstone piece. I had it looked at by an archeologist and it was confirmed as a hammer stone (not a geode as some has suspected). This was in Oregon/Washington beaches. I should mention that on the other side of the same apparent shaft smoother is another groove which is perfectly straight (see pictures). It is the same size and depth as the other. No fossil imprint here as I do have a large fossil collection as well. The ragged edge happened from a chip of some sort-looked like a large piece of sand was there-then fell out after it was discarded-possibly errosion. It does look a lot more jagged in the picture than in reality.

If it is natural (and I have seen a TON of stones), what would cause this to happen?

[larson1951]

yes baja,
they all work
i might add that nothing that i know of works any better
not sandpaper or anything modern
larson1951