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  1. #1
    es
    Jan 2009
    Madison, MS
    Bounty Hunter
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    Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    Posted pictures of this head a year or so ago that was found in '73 in a stream running through my backyard in Oak Ridge, TN. I asked if anyone had any knowledge of this type of statue art and opinions varied from geofact to ancient indian to african to I fabricated it.

    Took it to the Sardis Relic Show in Oxford, MS this weekend and Jerry Dickey authenticated it as ancient indian origin. Can't wait till the paper gets here. The editor of the Central States Archaeological Journal took pictures and wants to put it in the journal to inquire if anyone else has anything similar or any knowledge of this type of art so look for it in a future issue. I'm sure his photos will come out better than the couple I took a few minutes ago!

    I've searched museums from NY to Anchorage and throughout the country and seen nothing similar. Countless hours of research in books and on the internet has turned up nothing like it. Was told at the show to insure it for no less than $10K so I'm excited. Any information anyone has on this object will be appreciated.
    Bama Ron
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  2. #2
    us
    Aug 2011
    256

    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    The only info I can give ya is that your find is remarkable,never seen nothing like it ,very very cool,prob. from the late woodland to missisipian time frame.

  3. #3
    um
    Jun 2010
    Southern Ohio
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    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    Great Artifact!! What is it made of, and could we get a pic of the back of it?

  4. #4
    us
    Jul 2010
    895

    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    That is a great artifact , Could we get a photo of the back side ? Is it worked in any way on the backside or is it just the natural stone ? That is very interesting and shows good detail .

  5. #5
    es
    Jan 2009
    Madison, MS
    Bounty Hunter
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    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    I took it to the State Geologist in Jackson years ago who stated that it is a man-made material. Someone knowledgeable called it "grog". Basically a concrete-like material. Same thing you'd make pottery out of I was told. It's very light for it's size which is the same or slightly larger than a human head.

    For years I thought it must be some sort of volcanic stone but the geologist stated from the beginning that it was not a rock native to Tennessee . He did some acid tests and things of that nature to confirm it was man-made material.

    Here are a few back and side pics. It's roughly 6" in depth at its thickest location. You can clearly see a ear on that side of the head. Some of the light areas on the back are from a relative of mine "who borrowed it for 7 or 8 years without asking" is the best way to put it. He was using it for a door stop in a old country house with wooden floors and the sliding back and forth over time eroded some of the backside. For years after it disappeared from my parents home I wondered where it was and was discussing it with another relative when he stated " your cousin _____ has one just like it in his collection." I called cousin ___ who also happened to be a law enforcement officer, described it and stated that I wanted it back. He said it was the centerpiece of his collection at which time I told him I'd be at the county sheriffs dept in the morning charging him with stolen property. He paused for a minute and said "come get it". I was there in 15 minutes and haven't parted with it since.
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  6. #6
    us
    Jun 2009
    Weston, FL
    818
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    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    Cool piece, I went back and saw your first post about this piece and the pictures made all the difference. I could see how someone said geofact on the first set.

    So was it made from wet 'grog' and then dried or carved from dried 'grog'? Aside from drilled pottery discs and the occasional oblong thing made from broken pottery, you don't see a lot of carved pottery in the US.

    If you let them drip acid on it, maybe you should look into thermoluminescent testing. If it's pottery it would tell you when it was fired.

  7. #7
    us
    Aug 2011
    256

    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    Looks like ya got a very nice celt lying there as well,wouldnt mind seeing some pics of it too,was it found in the same area?

  8. #8
    es
    Jan 2009
    Madison, MS
    Bounty Hunter
    36
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    WV,

    Celt came from a site near the Miss. River below Clarksdale, MS (where Robert Johnson sold his soul to the devil).

    I've got some smaller ones but this is the biggest. 9" with pec marks and nice polish on the end. Here's a couple of pics.
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  9. #9
    es
    Jan 2009
    Madison, MS
    Bounty Hunter
    36
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    you'll get a kick out of this targe. The relative who "borrowed" the head was with the Butler County Sheriffs Department during those years. The head was near Georgiana during the "lost years". I was lucky to get it back.

  10. #10
    us
    Aug 2011
    256

    Re: Indian Head Effigy authenticated

    Very nice celt thanx 4 the pics as for the effigy head ,id have done the EXACT same thing you did,whats yours is yours ,simple as that

 

 

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