Pawn shop find need some help arrowheads

[Tnrelicman]

Maybe not the best place for this but here it goes, I found these at a pawn shop, I know that a lot of these can be fake, can anyone tell by the pictures if these are real and a va?lue on them. My son is in to arrowheads right now, and this could make a good christmas present if they are real

[Bell]

Hard to tell from the photo. Its hard to tell at all actually but to attempt to do so you need to see good detail on the flaking and wear. I will say those are some fine points and some represent some extremely rare and valuable varieties, especially the white one in the middle. Of course this is the type people often try to fake. Even if they are fake, someone did a great job and they are really cool either way, however if real you are talking a lot of money. Id say its worth seeking out a expert to look at them in person. Either way I say its a great find.

[Tnrelicman]

Asking 200$ that picture loaded horribly sorry

[deathhare]

Asking 200$ that picture loaded horribly sorry

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[jamesbibb]

Well they obviously arenet fake but they look like reproductions to me. Still hand made and alot of skil and know how. they are all of all different types and no errors to speak off in any of them.

[Tnrelicman]

Thanks James, and the picture looks great on my phone

[jamesbibb]

Thanks James, and the picture looks great on my phone

post it on the native american forum they can tell you for sure

[joshuaream]

A couple of the piece in the upper right might be authentic, but the majority of the pieces in the frame look like average quality reproductions to me. Probably not worth $200 to a collector of reproductions, and piece by piece on eBay you could buy a better set of reproductions for less.

If they were authentic you'd be looking at a couple grand in points, and given the number of collectors and dealers in your area the pawnshop has an idea of the potential value and has priced them accordingly. When I actively bought relics in Louisville, I knew every pawnshop, every auction house, every antique store and most would call a couple of different buyers when anything native american walked through the door. If it was still in an antique store or pawnshop after the buyers looked it over, it was either authentic and priced at market (or often higher than we would pay) or it was a replica and priced accordingly.

[Twitch]

Tnrelicman - I'm not an expert, but from the photo I believe the vast majority of the points are modern made points. The points in the upper right corner may be old points. They look to be well made, but there are a handful of reasons to think they're not old.

Joe

[Tnrelicman]

Thanks for all the replys, this is a catagory I know nothing about, this is why this forum is so great

[1320]

They would make a great christmas present regardless! Try to get em for $100

[RGINN]

I'm with 1320. Buy it, and give the young man the mission of determining genuine or repro.

[tmodel]

need a micro setting on a good camera, in good day light not in sun, and good focus. this would show flacking scars and if any chips and dings that is a low price for that many artifacts like those, unless they are chiped and dinged like the second point from left side on bottom row. like someone said it might be a good learning tool for you and your son, Terry

[Hutch in PA]

When it's too good to be true...it probably is. Every one of them look 'too perfect'.

[tmodel]

fellows i think we are looking at these points to quick under bad viewing conditions. i went to 200% on my zoom button and counted 13 chiped or missing point tips or soholder tips one missing part of base and ear. i do not belive there is over a G5 grade point on the board. 28 artifacts in frame that is about $7.25 dollars per point how does that sound for G5 or less points. Terry

[joshuaream]

Terry,

I don't think it's possible to absolutely authenticate pieces from a picture, but I do think you can "kill" points from a picture. The notching on many of the points is incorrect for the type, big red flag. A couple look heat treated for color (kilned at a specific temp to bring out the color), which considering the quality of knapping is a red flag. At least on of the points is heat treated and probably shouldn't be, red flag. Seeing a Marshall/Smith looking point made from the same colorful material as the archaic corner notch is an enormous red flag flapping in the wind.

There are two dovetails, the grey one on the bottom left and third one from the right on the bottom would be worth looking at, but given the rest of the frame I think they are long shots on authenticity.

Joshua

[tmodel]

thank you Joshua!! for posting the new information it does raise some RED flags, i know a pawn shop owner that might have had a frame of low grade points because of chips and breaks for sale in his shop at that price. but with your responce to me they could be new points. or some of them.. if i was him i would be looking for some body to look at them in hand if i needed to know for sure. Terry

[Tnrelicman]

Thanks to everyone that has gave her information about these points, Tomorrow I will try to get some better photos And at the same time get a lowball price. again thanks for everyone's help you all have been great.

[1320]

I'd love to see some close ups!

[GaRebel1861]

When it's too good to be true...it probably is. Every one of them look 'too perfect'.

I agree with Hutch.