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  1. #1
    So many colonial sites to hunt....so little time.

    Aug 2007
    (below) 1786 Vermont copper. Found August 2007
    Whites DFX (with 4x6 shooter DD coil and 12" spider coil)/Whites coinmaster 6000 Di
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    Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    I eyeballed this one while metal detecting today. Very old site. I know nothing about arrowheads so any info on this find will be greatly appreciated.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Found this one today.  Any info on it would be great-img_0817.jpg   Found this one today.  Any info on it would be great-img_0817.jpg  
    Large copper total for 2008 --7
    1797 Draped Bust large cent 
    1809 Classic Head half cent  
    1787 New Jersey copper (Maris 63-s variety)
    1845 Braided hair large cent (holed)
    1835 hard times token (Walsh's General Store)
    No detail coppers--2

  2. #2

    Jul 2007
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    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    If your in the NE it looks like a Brewerton Side Notched late Archaic 6000-4000 BP.
    My guess.

  3. #3
    So many colonial sites to hunt....so little time.

    Aug 2007
    (below) 1786 Vermont copper. Found August 2007
    Whites DFX (with 4x6 shooter DD coil and 12" spider coil)/Whites coinmaster 6000 Di
    2,518
    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    Quote Originally Posted by Rege-PA
    If your in the NE it looks like a Brewerton Side Notched late Archaic 6000-4000 BP.
    My guess.
    Yes i am in the northeast (upstate NY). However, I'm a little green when it comes to arrowheads. What does all of that jargon mean? Thank you for your help and please forgive me for my lack of knowledge here. I'm trying to learn as I go.
    Large copper total for 2008 --7
    1797 Draped Bust large cent 
    1809 Classic Head half cent  
    1787 New Jersey copper (Maris 63-s variety)
    1845 Braided hair large cent (holed)
    1835 hard times token (Walsh's General Store)
    No detail coppers--2

  4. #4

    Jul 2007
    245
    2 times

    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    Archaeologists have divided the human presence in NA into different categories and sub categories starting with Paleo-indian 14,000-9000 BP Archaic, early, middle, late 9000-3000 BP. Woodland 3000-1300 BP, Missippian 1300-400 BP. They have also named the stone projectile points found in those time periods, points that have a certain, shape or chipping are usually named for the area they were first found or an archaeologist\collector who first noticed and cataloged them. So by comparing the shape, chipping and location where found it is possible to put a found point into a category which fits into one of the above phases and determine what people made it and when they lived. Points are like time capsules that tell us when they lived and possibly what animals they hunted. There is much more to this and one can get into it on any level. There are many good books on projectile point identification and that would be a good start. There are some really knowledgeable people lurking on this forum and their posts are worth reading. The only way to learn is to ask and usually someone will answer your questions. Thats what I do.

  5. #5

    Oct 2007
    8

    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    Hi, I'm also in upstate NY looking for some places to hunt. Can you be a little more specific to where you found it? Obviously I wouldnt be asking you to give up the exact location (I know some people are protective), but a town nearby, etc..
    Thanks, and nice find!

  6. #6

    Jul 2007
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    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    Tommy2...Just look for any plowed fields near creeks or streams. A real good spot is where two creeks meet on the upper ground. On the higher terraces try to locate a good natural spring, campsites and villages may be located around them. Material to look for that may help identify a site, flint chips, fire cracked stones, round stones with ground or pecked spots, clam shells, and pottery fragments. Pottery can be dated as to what they tempered ( mixed in )it.
    Sand, grit, clam shells. Get out there!

  7. #7
    So many colonial sites to hunt....so little time.

    Aug 2007
    (below) 1786 Vermont copper. Found August 2007
    Whites DFX (with 4x6 shooter DD coil and 12" spider coil)/Whites coinmaster 6000 Di
    2,518
    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    Quote Originally Posted by Rege-PA
    Archaeologists have divided the human presence in NA into different categories and sub categories starting with Paleo-indian 14,000-9000 BP Archaic, early, middle, late 9000-3000 BP. Woodland 3000-1300 BP, Missippian 1300-400 BP. They have also named the stone projectile points found in those time periods, points that have a certain, shape or chipping are usually named for the area they were first found or an archaeologist\collector who first noticed and cataloged them. So by comparing the shape, chipping and location where found it is possible to put a found point into a category which fits into one of the above phases and determine what people made it and when they lived. Points are like time capsules that tell us when they lived and possibly what animals they hunted. There is much more to this and one can get into it on any level. There are many good books on projectile point identification and that would be a good start. There are some really knowledgeable people lurking on this forum and their posts are worth reading. The only way to learn is to ask and usually someone will answer your questions. Thats what I do.
    Thanks Rege-PA. I appreciate the info. I'll keep my eyes peeled for any of the items that you described. there was a ton of other things that I didn't pick up. ( Didn't look like arrowheads but possible chips scrapers etc.) Hopefully, I'll find some more.
    Large copper total for 2008 --7
    1797 Draped Bust large cent 
    1809 Classic Head half cent  
    1787 New Jersey copper (Maris 63-s variety)
    1845 Braided hair large cent (holed)
    1835 hard times token (Walsh's General Store)
    No detail coppers--2

  8. #8
    So many colonial sites to hunt....so little time.

    Aug 2007
    (below) 1786 Vermont copper. Found August 2007
    Whites DFX (with 4x6 shooter DD coil and 12" spider coil)/Whites coinmaster 6000 Di
    2,518
    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy2
    Hi, I'm also in upstate NY looking for some places to hunt. Can you be a little more specific to where you found it? Obviously I wouldnt be asking you to give up the exact location (I know some people are protective), but a town nearby, etc..
    Thanks, and nice find!
    Rege-Pa offered some good info. Near a creek is about as specific as I can get here. I know I sound like a metal detecting guy protecting his site but the landowner who suggested this site to me actually went out of his way to tell me that it was OK for me to be here but not to bring anyone else. It was all i could do to get another family member on site (my brother). He just doesn't want the hassle of having alot of people on his land that he doesn't know. I got a free pass because I know him pretty well.
    Large copper total for 2008 --7
    1797 Draped Bust large cent 
    1809 Classic Head half cent  
    1787 New Jersey copper (Maris 63-s variety)
    1845 Braided hair large cent (holed)
    1835 hard times token (Walsh's General Store)
    No detail coppers--2

  9. #9
    So many colonial sites to hunt....so little time.

    Aug 2007
    (below) 1786 Vermont copper. Found August 2007
    Whites DFX (with 4x6 shooter DD coil and 12" spider coil)/Whites coinmaster 6000 Di
    2,518
    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    Quote Originally Posted by Rege-PA
    Tommy2...Just look for any plowed fields near creeks or streams. A real good spot is where two creeks meet on the upper ground. On the higher terraces try to locate a good natural spring, campsites and villages may be located around them. Material to look for that may help identify a site, flint chips, fire cracked stones, round stones with ground or pecked spots, clam shells, and pottery fragments. Pottery can be dated as to what they tempered ( mixed in )it.
    Sand, grit, clam shells. Get out there!
    Hey RegePA. I noticed in this post that you said to watch out for round stones with ground or pecked spots. Again, I'm a little new here but I also found this and just picked it up because it looked cool. All of the other rocks were smooth and this one grabbed my eye because it had all of these "holes" in it. Is this an artifact or is this just a rock? I threw a nickel in there for size comparison.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Found this one today.  Any info on it would be great-img_0832.jpg   Found this one today.  Any info on it would be great-img_0833.jpg   Found this one today.  Any info on it would be great-img_0834.jpg  
    Large copper total for 2008 --7
    1797 Draped Bust large cent 
    1809 Classic Head half cent  
    1787 New Jersey copper (Maris 63-s variety)
    1845 Braided hair large cent (holed)
    1835 hard times token (Walsh's General Store)
    No detail coppers--2

  10. #10

    Jul 2007
    245
    2 times

    Re: Found this one today. Any info on it would be great

    That is a good rock that would fit the hand nicely but I don`t see any sign of it being "worked" or rubbed. the holes in it are natural. If you were to take it out side and hammer another rock with it over a period of time a noticeable depression or worn spot would form. These are frequently found on many camp sites and are called "pitted hammer stones".
    All of them fit the hand nicely and some from being used over and over take on the shape of a bi-pitted hammer stone since both sides were used. Once you find one you will know what I`m talking about. Just for fun take that one out and tap it against another until you see the peck marks form, notice that the outside of the rock is a different color than where the pecking is, the out side of the rock has developed a skin or "patina" after thousands of years of weathering. This rind is usually darker and sometimes quite different from the internal colors. Now that you know what they look like I hope to see one posted from you! You`re on the right track.

 

 

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