any help appreciated.

[arm66]

I found these two, among 11 others, in a field this past Friday. It's a great place to hunt. I was hoping some one could identify the types for me. I tried online but I'm too uninformed to make the call.
Also, I am curious how so many different types off points can be located in a 10o by 100 yard area.

[arm66]

oops, sorry for the dupes.

[creekhunter]

Those are nice!

[arm66]

Thanks. I am especially fond of the leaf shaped one. I just got back from a field about 1/2 a mile from the good one (same farm!) and found 4 whole points, 7 broken ones and 4 scrapers...plus hundreds of flakes. We've had heavy rains this entire week so each time it's like a new field. I was out 3 1/2 hours and was rewarded with a stunningly beautiful sunset.
I would post the others here but I never seem to get any input on the types. Anyone have any links to a good sight for that?

[Rege-PA]

Nice finds...the rain is a blessing if you hunt artifacts. Check the posts from Dorkfish, in one he lists an excellent site for identifying points, finding out what you have found is like finding it again.

[arm66]

No kidding. The rain was heavy at times each day...then sun. One storm dropped 3 inches. It washed off every stone in the field and the flint glistened like neon.
I will try to find that post with the site in it. Thanks.

[The Grim Reaper]

Here you go arm66. This is the site that rege referred to.

As for your pieces, the first one (dark piece) is more than likely just a Knife form of some type and the second (white point) looks like a Snyders to me or at least of the Hopewell culture.


http://www.projectilepoints.net/

[bruce]

Hello there,
I have two old I.D. books I use. The triangular blade seems
lack secoundary sharpening I think it's of a cache. The other A.D. 500 to 900
I think it's Woodland called a Jack's Reef being that the basal edge is straight not
convex some with the angular edgeline. That just my book talking.

Thanks,

Bruce

[pickaway]

Nice finds...

[arm66]

Wow guys, thanks. I did not get close on either of those id's. I love to hunt and have many points (15 on my kitchen counter I just washed) but I have never had the confidence to id them. There is a guy nearby who has a monstrously large collection and he can id them but if gets even a whiff of your area he will drive around until he sees you or your vehicle and then he moves in w/o permission. The scoundrel has no ethics whatsoever. He's been thrown out of Wayne Nat'l forest twice for being caught digging - no telling how many times he did it w/o being caught. So you see, I can't go to him.
I absolutely love to see everyone elses finds but it would be even better if they were all id'd when posted.

One question - if the one is a cache find should I dig nearby its locale to find more? Are caches usually found in multiples?

[riverhunter]

Hi Arm-

Sounds/looks like you have a great site. Many different types of points can be found on same site- as many generations lived or passed through there, perhaps. And, as new technologies were developed, I think they added them to their repetoire of point styles. Your blade, I think, is a 'cache' item - as in one of many either in transport as a workable rock, already pre-knapped or-- an item in a number of same items (for whatever purpose- trade, stockpile supply, etc.) In my area, I blame the seasons and migration. People came and went depending on whether it was hunting or fishing season. They weren't even close to 'permanant' till much later in history. Just think of how many families can live in a house (old house, think Europe) and all the things they'd have or ad to the home over the years. So, many types of points in one place? Makes sense to me...

From what I've learned, it's nearly impossible to nail down type of point w/o the base. Also, there seem to be a lot of basic forms from which finer- more definable points/blades were made. Also lots of really rough types that don't really have a catagory- just untility, but clearly a point/blade of some sort. This may be why you're not getting id's. I don't see an earlier post-- did you post and not get adequate response?

Regardless, good luck and show us what you find. There are some very good people here- they know their stuff!
Riverhunter

[arm66]

Thanks riverhunter, and to everyone else who helped. I have posted one or two times before aand it just seemed people were reluctant to offer a thought on id's. That's okay because I would rather have good info than a lot of errant speculation. It seems so many on here really "know there stuff" and I try to glean every shred of knowledge I can from their posts to others. This site and it's members are the treasure - more than anything anyone has found and posted.
The explanation for the multiple styles makes sense. I've been reading up on it and I guess I did not realize the duration of habitation of a site. Astounding.
Now I need to know, if the one is from a cache, and it was found in a plowed field in such condition, should I dig near where I found it? It was 90% buried but only shallowly. When I found it I scoured the surrounding area but I was pretty pumped and never thought it might be from a cache. I marked the spot though as I always do so I can try to pattern the field. That means going back won't be hard. What do you think?

[riverhunter]

Oh yes
RH