@airborne: >> 1x 25 ton stone from Stonehenge is average 13 x 7 x 4 feet <times> 2 (for 50 ton stone) = 26 x 14 x 8. 50 tons per stone is roughly 1.1% of 4600 tons. so I multiplied that org. dimensions by 100 and came to 1300 x 700 x 400 or a better estimation would be roughly 1100 x 450 x 300. A solid piece of gold, the size of the USS Nimitz.
Sorry, but if a 25 ton rock is 13 X 7 X 4 feet, then a 50 ton rock is 26 X 7 X 4. 26 X 14 X 8 is 8 times as heavy as 13 X 7 X 4, not twice as heavy. Thus, the latter rock would weight 200 tons, not 50 tons.
I do not know what sort of rocks they have in Stonehenge, but I live in a quarry town here in Mexico. And, the travertine marble here has a specific gravity of around 2.5, which means a cubic foot weighs more or less 150 pounds. So, that weight of the 13 X 7 X 4 feet rock is right on. Good job on that. And, I conclude our rocks weigh about what Stonehenge rocks do. Interesting.
The specific gravity of gold is around 19.3, I believe, which means a cubic foot of gold is around 1200 pounds, not 150 pounds.
I was not smart enough to figure out the US gold production over the last 40 years from the URL you linked, but I can see 4600 tons might be right. So, I am not bothering to figure it out for myself, and am taking your word for that. Gold is usually listed in mt, that is, metric tons, but because I am lazy I am going to use US tons, around 10% lighter to make my life easy, and you did not state differently.
4600 tons X 2000 would be 9,200,000 pounds. A cubic foot of gold weighs around 1,200 pounds, I believe.
9,200,000 / 1200 = 7,626 cubic feet.
My house here in rural Mexico is 2,850 square feet, and the inside walls are 9 feet high. That is 25,650 (edited cubic feet, so 4600 tons of gold would only fill around 30% of my house which is not all that large.
That is, it would be around 32 inches deep if evenly distributed on the floor of my house.
I am sure it would destroy the floors, of course, with that floor supporting 1.6 tons per square feet. (4600 / 2850)
Wiki says Nimitz class carriers have a displacement of 100,000 long tons. I don't think the Nimitz would move very well if you plunked 4,600 tons on it. But, truthfully, I don't know.
I do not intend this as any sort of personal attack, airborne. Just pointing out the correct math.
Piegrande,
I went around the world in 1983 on the USS Carl Vinson CVN-70 (Nimitz Class Carrier). 93,000 Tons and 1097 feet long. a wartime compliment of over 100 aircraft, 6000 crew, and a maximum of about 4 million gallons of fuel (it carries a combination of jet fuel and diesel for other ships in her Carrier Group). The carrier itself needs no fuel as it is powered by two nuclear reactors.
The 100 aircraft alone weigh approximately 1700 tons. 540 tons of people, 7300 tons of diesel, 6500 tons of JP5 (estimating a 50/50 state). That comes out to over 16,000 tons of the basics. That doesn't include fresh water storage, food, tools and equipment, personal items for 6000 people, electronic equipment, bombs, missiles, ammunition, etc, etc, etc.
................ and completely loaded up, it only has a draft of 37 feet. In the worst of seas (North Atlantic and around the Cape of Good Hope), it rides like a 1955 Cadillac down a smooth road. I used to love watching our escort ships play submarine through 70-80 foot waves while we just coasted along. HAHAHA
Mike
Wow, that is a cool posting. Thanks for sharing, and thanks for your service!
Thanks Piegrande. The Navy was only the start. I spent six years in the Navy, then did another 6 1/2 in the Army (and two more as a Reserve Infantry Drill Sergeant). A glutton for punishment.
In reference to the posting of concrete stuff in Utah, to make Portland cement type stuff requires a very high heat for the limestone.
Quick lime has a very much lower temperature to cook it, at one point I looked it up, and it can be used to make a stucco like material, pretty much the same as what we call mortar. I saw in an ancient mound a piece of something which looks exactly like concrete, but with my finger nail it acts like mortar/stucco.
Unless an observer was familiar with both items, it is possible to think mortar based stucco is concrete. Just saying.
The indigenous folk in my state did have the capacity to bake quick lime as used for stucco (they call it revoco here.) You can do it in an ordinary fire. In the ancient places not far from mh house is an oven, probably used for lime (cal). It takes ordinary amounts of air to the burning wood, not special air supplies as needed for cement.
Thanks Piegrande. The Navy was only the start. I spent six years in the Navy, then did another 6 1/2 in the Army (and two more as a Reserve Infantry Drill Sergeant). A glutton for punishment.
Mike
Yes, I guess so! Heh, heh.
In the Army in the 60's, we used to joke if we got killed in combat, at least our bones would be on ground, not 12,000 feet down in the ocean.
I appreciate those who served long terms in the military. An uncle was a colonel in the Army. I have a daughter and her husband who met in the Air Force in Spain. I mean no disrespect, but I did not like the Army. Yes, it was me, more than the Army. I simply am not wired for 24 hour a day obedience. I did get my honorable discharge, though. But, I was not happy there.
I would like to add a little, may be just hot wind and talk is cheap type imformation I heard from a oldtimer ,where I am at in Utah for the time being. Oldtimer told me of a gorge up in a Utah mountain that had a drywash with a type of concrete pathway underneath its sand and gravel.
The inferance is it may be connected to ancient Aztec habatation. I donno nore have any more imformation.
Perhaps it was similar to this one?
Deep within the mountains east of Phoenix.
It leads to an area with deep pools of water and many grinding holes in the bedrock.
Not far away,and high on a canyon wall,this as well.
Hey SH, its possible those arent grindeing holes but holes that held poles that in turn held up a large vat or mixeing pots. Its obvious the water level was much higher at 1 time,and water would be needed to mix and lay that pad. The material on the the side of the mountain could be tests to determine drying time and hardness. I would run a metal detector over those holes and pad. Obivous something was takeing place up there.?
Gentlemen, I agree they aren't man made grinding holes, but natures.
As for cement, I once saw a square based canal coming out from under 20 ft of rock and pebble overburden in an arroyo. It looked as if it had been made yesterday, there was very little chipping or fracturing of it's surface or sides.
Later I met a gentlemean in Alamos who was a chemist in a cement manufacturing co. When I described the canal to him he grunted and said. "Cement is a weird thing, each batch that we make up has slighty different characteristics, so each has to be proven for use in building structures. For paving etc., it does not matter.
Frankly, it may have been just a slight change either here or there in chemical structure, and came out perfect. We now come out very close, but only after intensive chemical analysis.
He said "don't underestimate those older groups". Sometimes they hit the perfect combnation in local materiels.
Now, I can't remember. I do know I Googled for Nopal cactus sap and found a bunch of stuff, in English. Now that I think about it, I am not clear what it said about milk, but I did find some current information on increasing strength of cement based materials, with nopal cactus sap. I hate it when my memory fails on me when I need it most.
Google for: nopal cement
and you will actually find modern scientific experiments on that usage.
Now, I must ask him, did he say milk or is that my brain messing up?
Hey SH, its possible those arent grindeing holes but holes that held poles that in turn held up a large vat or mixeing pots. Its obvious the water level was much higher at 1 time,and water would be needed to mix and lay that pad. The material on the the side of the mountain could be tests to determine drying time and hardness. I would run a metal detector over those holes and pad. Obivous something was takeing place up there.?
motell6:
What you see here,if you can see it (some do not) ,is why I included the photo.
The fact that few can see it,and that the wall is in shadow most of the day,may indicate why it has never been previously reported.
Or...that it is nothing more than a work of nature,overlooked as such by everyone else.
I don't think it has anything to do with testing materials.
Piegrande may find it interesting as I do,which is why I bothered to hike up as far as I did,just to look the area over and to get the photo.
Plenty of sherds of various types and ages,some of alternating layers of coloured clay.
Old overgrown ditches slanting downward along the hillside below as well.
Some ruins,including a concrete structure similar to that which Real de Tayopa described,probably used to channel water for irrigation.
A very old trail which follows the canyon and skirts a large,low mound (about 200 yds long) directly below.
That same trail also leads to other ruins,some well known and identified as Hohokam.
The mound is probably natural,but the trail and other things are definitely not.
Am I over reaching by stating, to the left center of the mountain face photo, a boulder in the shape of a heart supporting two boulders that look unnatural (placed).
The entire mountain range has many such hearts,in varying degrees of perfection.
The place is a natural heart factory...
Anyone who wished to include or feature a heart upon a map,or within a "treasure story" would have any number from which to choose.
They could even create one if necessary,which would be seen and recognized at the appropriate place.
If both map and treasure were genuine though,I would think "that" heart would have to match the form of "the" heart as shown on the map.
It would also be unique,rather than what is common,as rock hearts unfortunately are out there.
It would also,for security reasons IMHO,be unrecognizable until you were literally "standing on top of it" or perhaps only when tracing the perimeter on foot.
Not something seen from a well worn trail or some distance at all.
The "column" of rocks seen in my photo is interesting though,but not only because of the heart-shaped boulder, as you have also pointed out.
You,by the way are the first to have noticed and commented on the heart,despite my having posted the photo several times previously on this and other t-hunting websites.Good job.
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Originally Posted by gollum
cubic feet, so 4600 tons of gold would only fill around 30% of my house which is not all that large.
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