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    Well, Time Periods and Timelines are Important, being a History buff, I'm well aware of the other side of the world and they are Very Important. Good Tidings and Goodwill Gestures, Smoking the Peace Pipe are equally Important as well, and I Thankyou for it. Timelines, let us not forget some of the most important work that has been conducted in the New World, in Our World, in Our Country, America. Let us not forget the "Calico Man Site" (see the BLM Calico Man Site), Lake Manix, the Late Dr. Louis B. Leakey and his Son, Richard and the plus or minus age of the Stone Tools....200,000 years or the Burial of the "Yuha Man", 21,000 to 30,000 years. I never put these in my book although I was aware of these finds. I refer to the Historical Spots in California many times in my book because of the Archaeological Data which is listed by Counties. This is a Big RED FLAG for me and a good lead. Always interested in the "authorities" and just exactly who these people were or are and how they were Funded and in some cases, what were their Political Stance. Or why has the field of archaeology and their discoveries been Classified?...So, I like this Book of Historic Sites alot, but the New one's or new editions don't have alot of the Old Information, how come? Getting back to the Timelines, page 82 of my book, I refer to it again to page 317, under the San Bernardino County section and a Report from Dr. Malcom J. Rogers (one of my hero's) of the "PUEBLAN SETTLEMENT", and I QUOTE..."Archaeological Investigation of the Mohave Desert continues and research indicates that man may have lived there as long as 30,000 years ago." Un-Quote. Again, Same Page of My Book, this is the South end of Black Mountain and adjacent to it, another area I know quite well, this is From the "NATIONAL REGISTRY BULLETIN of 1976" under the Kern County section and it say's VERBATIM...I QUOTE..."Johannesburg Vicinity. LAST CHANCE CANYON, 7,000 B.C. - 1870's. - Desert area rich in archaeological sites, including open campsites, house-ring complexes and major petroglyph sites. Recorded in site surveys by UCLA, 1962 - 1970. FEDERAL/BLM/PRIVATE." Un-QUOTE...7,000 B.C. or 9,000 years ago. A Archaeological Report that I never put in my book because I was trying to trace down a Key Figure in it, by the time I had found Her, she had already passed away and I talked to her Brother in length about the Report, but the Book was already done by then, but that Report comes from the "Museum of Man", San Diego and it states the Report of the Precipitation or Rainfall was not significant enough in that part of the Mohave Desert as a supplement of Agriculture of the Inhabitants of and until 7,500 B.C.. Yet, on Black Mountain, there's Aquaducts and Drainage Systems in Place. (Malcom J. Rogers also worked out of the Museum of Man). Then on Page 88 of my book, there's the 10,000 year old Archaelogical Human Habitation Site with a "Most Unusual Discovery" and I QUOTE...."INITIAL STUDIES OF THE ROCK DESIGNS WITHIN THE LITTLE LAKE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE AREA, By Stanely R. Berryman and Judy A. Berryman (PACIFIC COAST ARCHAELOGICAL SOCIETY QUARTERLY, Vol. 15, No. 2, April 1979, Page 51, Introduction)....A program of mapping and surface evaluation of the site area immediately surrounding the body of water known as 'Little Lake' in Inyo County, California was begun in 1975 (Fig. 1). At that time a program was established that has since developed into a research project. The entire area within the Little Lake complex contains numerous habitation sites, cave sites, camp sites and extensive areas of rock art. The Little Lake area and its immediate environs has been a focus for human activity from 10,000 years ago to the present. Most unusual was the discovery of house floors, outlined by an eliptical pattern of post holes. These houses are some of the earliest yet discovered in North America." Un-QUOTE....And there's more, so Yes I rely on alot of this critical information. Little Lake is like 30 miles NorthWest of Black Mountain....If you saw the color pictures that's in my book that I took of all of these mega-liths and stone heads and such, realizing that Stone Tools cannot Carve Olivine Basalt, realizing that the native population according to the history books ran around naked in the summer and in the winter wore rabbit pelts, lived in wiki-ups, used stone tools and immigrated in and out of this area in haphazard ways, then who is responsible, for the building of these structures?...And Why were the SPANISH CONQUISTADORE EXPEDITIONS HERE, EARLY?. I have 3 DATES, but only put one in my book, 1716, the other 2 dates are much earlier. And Names as well...All Lost in History. Is the Truth in History Important? Or is the Fabrication? My Prospectin' Partner has My 3rd Edition of the Historic Spots, but the 1st Edition stays with me...It once belonged to Mr. Frank L. Fish, a Major Hero of Mine, met him when I was 12 years old. Darrell

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    HI DARRELL: keep posting, interesting data.

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    Oro , what exactly is a "tag" post ? I think all you guys have some good input on this one . and you are most welcome Darrell, anytime....

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    Well, I guess I could post a little more. In my early years of exploration (pages 44,45,46,47,48), I'm collecting data and research material, books, anything that will give me a lead about this section of California, so everything is on my list, Prospector Shops, Museums, Libraries, Book Stores, Junk Shops, etc.. Then I run across this Reference Book, "THE JOURNALS OF EL DORADO" by Karl Von Mueller and Estee Conaster which is a listing of other books from a to z, dealing in everything from Ghost Towns, Treasure, Legends, Lore, Mythological, American Indians, American Government and the list just goes on and on. Published by RAM Publications, 1971. Researching this Book I find this Listing and no matter how odd it sounds and even ficticious it could be, I go to work looking for it, "AZTEC GOLD OF RED ROCK CANYON" by Sarah Rasbaugh & Meredith Corning, 1937, Soft Cover, 24 Pages, map, photographs, 5X8 inches, Story of a Huge Cache of Gold hidden by the Aztecs near Los Angeles. Probably Fictional. Fine Illustrations by Corning. M. Corning - Publisher...Now I got a lead, it says it's probably fictional, but I had already seen stuff that was fictional EXCEPT IT WAS REAL....Well, Sarah had wrote another little book a year before, "AZTEC CAVE OF GOLD IN THE BORREGO DESERT" Published by Meredith Corning, San Diego, 1936, Soft Cover, 27 pages, map, sketches, photographs, 5X8 inches....listing note*** Appears to be Reprints of two articles by Rasbaugh that appeared in "PATHFINDER MAGAZINE"....So now I go to work on looking for the Books and Magazine. As it turns out, I never find the Book, still to this day, I've never seen it, but I found one man in Kansas that had one and I offer him $10,000.00 for it. ( I didn't have $10,000.00, I didn't have $10.00 on me), but I wanted to see if he would relinquish it for money. No Dice, he wasn't interested. (If you go to the e-bay store and see the ME at the top of the page and read what I put down for myself, you'll read that my original book was 2800 Pages, but I cut it way down to what it is today or edited myself, so there's alot of stuff I never put in the CD book and some of what I'm talking about here is in the CD Book and some isn't.) And although I never see the book, throughout the years and the course of tracking down people and interviewing them, I find out alot about this book and Sarah. Sarah's Father was a Prospector/Miner, when Sarah was a little girl and her siblings, her Mom and Dad or the whole Family lived in RANDSBURG, Sarah's Dad was a Mining Engineer of some sort, worked for a time in the YELLOW ASTER, Randsburg. Moreover the years, I find out who once had it, it appears that she & Meredith didn't make alot of them or the books were'nt a big hit at the time and quite a few of them were hand outs. (I can relate to that, hee,hee). In 1985, I find something so Bizarre and yet so Fantastic it gears me into a different direction (page 49). I'm up on the MTN. and real close to where I had first initially seen the GIANT SPANISH CROSSES, I was back-tracking at this point and skirting the edge of this Ancient City when I found an old rock monument with a little glass jar that was sealed at the bottom of it. Pulling out the piece of paper carefully (I expected a claim marker, claim papers), holding it in almost dis-belief, there was a sketch, a drawing and the Man's Name and Date at the bottom of it.......FRANK FISH....1959...more later, time to go to work....Darrell
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    Kanabite,

    "man CJ ,i am not sure about that . you might try something by Gloria Farley , or Berry fell for stuff like that .i'm just a poor dumb country kid . all i can tell you is its a big puzzle and it goes back allot further in time than the Aztecs / GIANTSERPENTS BOOK helped me when i was out of answers ......its more about the truth than a treasure hunting manual."

    While I know about the late Ms. Farley's work, I have not purchased any of her books. I do read some of the unqualified published opinions, but prefer to stick with the professionals. I have read some of Barry Fell's books, but find his flights of fantasy hard to swallow. Susan R. Martin, someone who's opinion and expertise I trust, had quite a bit to say about Mr. Fell, but I will just quote a small portion of her opinion:

    "....Fell wrongly identified copper tools as made of the alloy bronze. Yet despite careful, published analyses (Wayman, King, and Craddock 1992), proving without question that North American copper artifacts are not bronze alloys, the Fell myth lives on. The alleged inscriptions and their translations are without evidence according to scholars such as Williams (1991:285). There is equally strong refutation for every single bit of Fell's alleged evidence about Bronze Age use of American copper."

    There is much more in Susan's book, "Wonderful Power: The Story of Ancient Copper Working in the Lake Superior Basin", but Mr. Fell's book, "Bronze Age America", is much more exciting to read and a good deal more commercial. Personally, I place it right up there with.........."Harry Potter".

    Having been in the hospital since Thursday, I missed this very interesting conversation. Please carry on.

    Take care,

    Joe
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    Page 49 in Darrell's book for all you Frank Fish fans out there. I've seen the "EYE" but only from an aerial view...Virtual Earth. It's there along with a whole lot of other stuff. Someday I'll get up there and take some pictures and maybe find a few mysteries. I've got Darrell's book it's one of the most comprehensive explorations of one site any man has ever undertaken. A truly remarkable feat from a truly remarkable man. Enough of the suck up. Sorry partner. For you non-believers...

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    HOLA amigos,
    Kanabite wrote
    Oro , what exactly is a "tag" post ?
    It is a post put in solely to make it that much easier to follow the discussion - I can simply click on "unread replies" and any new activity in the thread will show up. Yep I am THAT lazy!

    I respectfully disagree with Cactusjumper's conclusions viz -> Dr Barry Fell, even though I have to agree in part - the copper was not bronze (though documented BRONZE ancient tools have been found in America, Fell did not know of them) a good part of Fell's translations was done through the use of an Arabic dictionary, which is related to the Semitic languages he was trying to read but considerably different, and strictly my opinion here but Fell's conclusions of Celtic visitors may be somewhat exaggerated. I do think there were Celtic visitors, but not on the scale he envisioned and most likely they were serving as mercenaries on the ships of other nations. Dr Fell has been widely attacked and ridiculed by many "authorities" and unfairly so - I am convinced that he had the core of the right idea, very like Schliemann and Troy, and made peripheral errors very like Schliemann and Troy. Of course I also do not hold such high esteem for our historical experts as some do, I prefer to examine the evidence and reach my own conclusions.

    Very interesting posts amigos, and funny you should mention Last Chance Canyon and Black Mountain, Mrs O and I lived in the canyon for some time years ago. It is a most interesting area for ancient ruins, petroglyphs etc. As much of it is now within Red Rock Canyon state park, I doubt that any serious archaeological work can now be done there. They can't stop you taking photos though, as far as I know.

    Please do continue gentlemen, this is fascinating!
    Oroblanco


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    My partner can get a little more emotional than me sometimes, hee,hee....Thanks Pard...So anyways, to continue, I got this little map or whatever it is in my hand of Frank Fish and I turn around and look to the west down and across the valley to where 3 small buttes stick up out of the desert just south of Walker Pass known as "ROBBER'S ROOST". Ofcourse I had (and still do) his Book "Buried Treasure and Lost Mines" as well as Lake Erie Schafer's Book "Dead Men Do Tell Tales" which somewhat Chronicles his last days. From his Book, he relates on page 4 that in 1932 he had a Gold Claim (the Smokey Nugget) in LAST CHANCE CANYON. Knowing that he had found Bandit Treasure at Robber's Roost, so by the time I found this, knowing full well, that he was active here too. Later, I went to see a buddy of mine that is a full-fledged Mohave Indian that worked with me, I remembered him telling me that his Grandfather, who was very old and lived out on the Chemehuevi Reservation, had worked somewhat reluctantly as a young man on the Los Angeles Aquaduct, out by Robber's Roost and even helped Frank Fish one time to Locate an Old Spring. So we go and see Grandfather, at first he's reluctant cause I'm White, but then something comes over him and pretty soon we settle down and then Guides Me into a Lecture and Instructions. So now it's September of 1986 and and I'm back, only this time, I'm at "ROBBER'S ROOST", following GrandFather's Instructions. I got me a Real Nice 35 MM Wide Angle Camera now and a Tripod. I'm within feet from where Frank Fish Found Treasure, but the Camera is aimed at and across the Valley at BLACK MOUNTAIN. My Instructions are to wait until the Last 2 Hours of the Day as the Sun Falls into the Mountains of the Sierra Nevada's, then the Magic Begins. THAT'S THE MOUNTAIN PICTURE, THE MAIN PICTURE, Front of My CD Book, Poster Pictures. It SHOWS from the Top of the Northwest Peak, a WOLF'S FACE (Looking Directly At You), down a little and to the right of the Wolf, a THUNDERBIRD ENCASED WITHIN A TRIANGLE, below this in the HEART of the MTN. GIANT SPANISH CROSSES surrounded by SPANISH TREASURE SYMBOLS, the "V" THE SERPENT'S BODY (middle of mountain) and at the bottom of the "V", a GHOST SHADOW OF A OPEN MOUTHED EARTH MONSTER........"THE GIANT SERPENT"......This is EXACTLY THE VIEW THAT FRANK FISH SAW...That's what I'm Selling on E-Bay...Plus My Book, which all of this is Chronicled in it and How it Relates DIRECTLY TO....... THE HOME OF ORIGIN.....Because, that's what this Place is and MORE THAN THAT...Maybe, you can't see it so well on E-Bay, I apologize for that, I'm not good at this computer stuff and the 2 Nephews that helped me, well they're Whiz Kids at this stuff, but I am not. My Book I wrote on a Typewriter, all of my research and traveling around was by Humphrey Bogart Detective GumShoe Work, I never touched a computer until about a year after My Book was done. I did it the Old Fashion Way. I gotta start thinking about going to work, but I got lot's of all kinds of stuff in my Book including GLORIA FARLEY'S......"LEGENDARY LATITUDE", "TANIT" and More...Darrell

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    Roy, my friend,

    "I respectfully disagree with Cactusjumper's conclusions viz -> Dr Barry Fell, even though I have to agree in part - the copper was not bronze (though documented BRONZE ancient tools have been found in America, Fell did not know of them) a good part of Fell's translations was done through the use of an Arabic dictionary, which is related to the Semitic languages he was trying to read but considerably different, and strictly my opinion here but Fell's conclusions of Celtic visitors may be somewhat exaggerated. I do think there were Celtic visitors, but not on the scale he envisioned and most likely they were serving as mercenaries on the ships of other nations. Dr Fell has been widely attacked and ridiculed by many "authorities" and unfairly so - I am convinced that he had the core of the right idea, very like Schliemann and Troy, and made peripheral errors very like Schliemann and Troy. Of course I also do not hold such high esteem for our historical experts as some do, I prefer to examine the evidence and reach my own conclusions."

    Just to be clear, I made my conclusions about Dr. Fell without outside influence. There is no denying his credentials or expertise, and I respect those attributes. In truth, my Harry Potter comment was over the top and uncalled for. It may just be that I don't have the mental abilities to follow his reasoning and conclusions, even though he spells those things out in great detail.

    I had much the same problem with Professor Cyclone Covey's "Calalus: A Roman Jewish Colony in America from the Time of Charlemagne Through Alfred the Great". In my unqualified opinion, a number of brilliant scholars are using their prolific knowledge of history to write entertaining historical fiction. That is not to say they are not using physical evidence to bolster their work, but most of that evidence is refuted by others. That refutation comes with it's own physical and historical evidence.

    In every case, we are free to accept or deny whichever side does not conform with our own personal biases and theories. It's true I have never met or spoken with Dr. Fell, but have had personal contact and exchanges with a number of the historical experts which you have mentioned you don't ".....hold such high esteem for....". Professor Susan Martin is only one of those contacts.

    Please don't imagine that, just because I use qualified sources for my written opinions, that I did not come to those conclusions on my own. It is my habit to form my opinions and then seek out both sides of the argument. I question everyone's opinion and conclusions, and that includes my best friends as well as myself. I have made a few good friends into not such good friends with my single minded little habit. I believe you have been the recipient of that personal search for the truth.

    Can't believe I have hung in here so long with this post. Don't believe I have spent this long out of bed in the last week.

    Take care,

    Joe

    Forgot to mention: Professor Fell believes the "First Americans" arrived here via the Bering Land Bridge.
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    Darell, I'll tell you what , i can not think of another , that has helped in this little quest i have going on , quite as much .still owe you some beer this side bar stuff is most interesting too. and ORO i just bookmarked this topic so i could find it again .
    nice smileys in here too .

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    People often say stuff like, "if I could just into the back of his mind" or "what was he thinking". In Frank's case, it was something like this, he knew that the Spanish Exploration Expeditions were there Early or shortly after the collapse of the Aztecs Nation or within 100 years of it. When at Robber's Roost, there is no mistaking of what your looking at, in Frank's day a set of Good Binocular's was a Must. Sure, you can see the Wolf's Face, Thunderbird, Crosses and Serpent all from the Inyo-Red Rock Road (which for much of it that skirts the western side of Black Mountain and is the Boundary for the El Paso Peak Wilderness) at the apropriate time and varying positions, but your up close to the Mountain and to get the Bigger Picture, it takes Distance. Put yourself in Frank Fish's Place in the early 1950's, Frank might have been a Loner, but he did make associations. GRANDFATHER, located a Old Spring for Frank, actually at that time, Frank was in Association with some other Treasure Hunters and they Hired Grandfather to find this Old Watering Place. This is just South of the Town of MOHAVE (Hwy 58 & Hwy 6 - now Hwy 14). This report has been around for a Long Time, it was even in an Old Long John Latham True Treasure Magazine of the 70's, today you can still find the legend of the report in the GPAA CLAIMS BOOK. This is the Old Watering Place GRANDFATHER FOUND for FRANK FISH and the Associated Members...." KERN COUNTY, LOST TREASURE, Near Mohave by the old Borax Wagon Train Road there is a flat-topped hill that stands alone on the desert floor. At the foot of this hill treasure hunters have found sixteenth century Spanish weapons, cooking utensils, armor and coins."........SIXTEENTH CENTURY...!.....And I have the List of Who's Who in that Association. Actually, one turns out to be a Friend of mine later on in Life, quite My Senior ofcourse, cause when all of this was happening, I was sitting in front of a Philco Black & White TV set watching Roy Rogers & Gene Autry take care of the Bad Guys and Buffalo Bob & Howdy Doody, The Red Skelton Show and more than I can relate here, hee,hee. But if you Review Charles "Chuck" Kenworthy's Book "TREASURE, Signs, Symbols, Shadows & Sun Signs", you will find out just how remarkable his book co-incides with the MTN....hee,hee......hint,hint...hee,hee....oh, this just opens up a whole new world or what's the saying, what goes around, comes around?...But that's not the Friend I was talking about, sure, I went and tracked down Mr. Kenworthy and spent 1 or 2 hours with him. When he wouldn't give alot of people the time of day, once he found out who I was and what I was after, he opened up a little bit and was quite congenuile and gracious to me, ofcourse he never opened up the books of time for me. I elected not to put any of this in the Book, mostly from the insistance from this other Friend, but I can say that YES, Mr. Kenworthy was Active in Research in this SPECIFIC AREA. Ofcourse I got lot's of tidbits and info from a wide variety of other sources as well, which I will not relate here. But to give you a little bit of Personal Family History here which does relate to the topic, My Mom's 1st cousin Florine Jordan (a Direct Great Grandaughter of Captain John Jordan of the KERNVILLE Area, 1st White Man to Drown in the Kern River 1850's, Plus Alot More) was married to WENDELL CHRISTIANSON WHEATON, Uncle Wendell as we called him was Also a Friend of FRANK FISH, Chuck Kenworthy and a Whole Lot More. If there's any real old timer's out there, maybe you knew my uncle Wendell. He spent lot's of time in the KOKOWEEF Area. I have some of his stuff. Him and Florine also spent lot's of time in the Kern area and the Desert of the Mohave. They both were Expert GemCutters, Rock Hounds, Prospector's, Treasure Hunters, etc..They spent several weeks in the Red Rock (RED ROCK CANYON STATE PARK, HWY 14) in the mid 1950's and had a joyus time with the Cast and Crew on the Movie Set with BURL IVES, CHUCK O'CONNOR & GREGORY PECK, GENE SIMMONS and Others while they Filmed "THE BIG COUNTRY". They had made Camp north of the Red Rock somewhere out by BONANZA GULCH, that's where Uncle Wendell Found an Old SPANISH BREASTPLATE, HILT OF A SWORD and a Few Coins.......16TH CENTURY !....Remarkably at the Very End of that Movie after the Final Big Gunfight in Blanco Canyon (oh yeah, Charleston Heston was in it too!) anyways, Gregory Peck and Gene Simmons is riding off into the sunset...THROUGH ROBBER'S ROOST...and just for a brief second, you can see the MTN., BLACK MOUNTAIN in the Background! When I had first started out (beginning of my book) my Old Friends Bones and Gene of the WILD BURRO MINE, IRON CANYON, their Caretaker "OLD JIM" related on how his buddy "TIGER" had found lot's of Old Spanish Artifacts somewhere between LAST CHANCE CANYON & SHEEP SPRINGS.......more later.....Darrell
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    HOLA amigos,
    Cactusjumper wrote
    Just to be clear, I made my conclusions about Dr. Fell without outside influence. There is no denying his credentials or expertise, and I respect those attributes. In truth, my Harry Potter comment was over the top and uncalled for. It may just be that I don't have the mental abilities to follow his reasoning and conclusions, even though he spells those things out in great detail.

    I had much the same problem with Professor Cyclone Covey's "Calalus: A Roman Jewish Colony in America from the Time of Charlemagne Through Alfred the Great". In my unqualified opinion, a number of brilliant scholars are using their prolific knowledge of history to write entertaining historical fiction. That is not to say they are not using physical evidence to bolster their work, but most of that evidence is refuted by others. That refutation comes with it's own physical and historical evidence.
    Based on your various replies (in various threads) I have no doubt that your mental abilities are sound and strong - so I wrongfully assumed that you had simply read some of the (sometimes rather nasty) attacks on Dr Fell and accepted the conclusions of those various "experts". My apologies amigo, seems I have been leaping to conclusions yet again!

    I will add this too, of Dr Fell's works, his "Bronze Age America" struck me as the most imaginative, least well-supported of his theories. True, there is the mysterious "Red Ochre Culture" which existed on both sides of the Atlantic in the mid Bronze age, and I would tend to attribute to these people any VERY early trafficking in copper - but there is very little evidence of Norse exploration at that early age. Covey's works are some of the hardest reading (and most disjointed) IMHO, Calalus is quite an attempt to "fill in the gaps" with historical fiction. Have you investigated those strange lead-alloy artifacts found in Arizona? Even the "experts" are divided on them - I may just have to do a chapter on them, but will attempt to make it easier to read than Covey's articles. I don't wish to cast too many aspersions on Gloria Farley's work, but as Dr Fell seemed to be somewhat enamored with the idea of Celts in America, she seemed to be enamored with the notion of Egyptians in America - seeing a petroglyph of an Elephant, <in a cave> she linked this to Egypt - when this is not the only logical possible connection.

    Cactusjumper also wrote
    Don't believe I have spent this long out of bed in the last week.
    If our banter is helping to get you feeling better and on the mend, then you can expect more amigo! I hope you are indeed feeling better and back to your self again SOON!

    Darrell, Joe, Kanabite (and everyone) please do continue, this is fascinating!

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    i have been asked by my friend Darrell to post a few pages from his book here , so if you will please be very patient i will attempt to extract a little bit of the pdf and post it here . the last time i tried this on a forum i had to retrieve my laptop from the back yard

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    Re: THE RETURN OF THE GIANTSERPENT {pages 128 - 132}

    something strange happens when i modify the file type , i assure you all , the images in the book are crystal clear unlike what i am posting . sorry some of this computer stuff is best left to 14year old kids i guess


    hang on i got to figure this out again , be back latter

 

 
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