I ordered a book, MOCTEZUMA'S CHILDREN, by Donald E. Chipman, who I suspect has a Dr. in front of his name for academic reasons. One of his graduate students did a thesis on the descendants of Moctezuma II (Montezuma in the US.)
She died, and he obtained permission to use her thesis in this book. I had Amazon send it to our daughter's house in Texas and my wife brought it back on her latest trip to visit her grandson.
But, a comment about the history of the Aztecs is what I want to write about here. There seem to be so many opinions by so-called experts that it is hard to sort it out.
This book says that Tula, North east of Mexico City, was inhabited by Toltecs prior to the arrival of the Aztecs from whence they came. The population of Tula had dropped considerably. The Aztecs came there, and did a lot of building, allegedly lived there for around 20 years. They decided to leave; one must wonder if this had to do with ripping the hearts out of living people, but what do I know?
They allegedly tore up a lot of their building, then moved into the Valley of Mexico.
There was some intermarriage by nobility with the Toltec population, and this occurred well into the era of Cortes, several centuries later. Those tribes used intermarriage with other tribes as a way of accumulating power, or so they hoped. Emperors may have had hundreds of "wives" from every surrounding culture and tribe, though most were lesser wives.
So, if this man knows what he is talking about, there were documented intermarriages but the Aztecs were not Toltec as such.
I have obtained the recently released by the LDS, 1930 census for my state. I was looking up Moctezuma's, and found an entire town where the original census dummies screwed up the papers. The officials would take out a certain number of forms, with room on each one for up to 50 names. First in line, they would put up the name, age, occupation, etc., of the family head, then other members, including lodgers and all.
In the case of one Moctezuma family, they messed up the order of the pages of a whole community when stamping the page number.
So, the computer took the last 4 names from the previous town, and concatenated them to the front of the 5 Moctezuma kids, on secondary search. Looking at the actual images, which are available, I discovered another page, way back in the heap, with a mother and father Moctezuma, and one child. I theorized the other family was actually the beginning of the family of the kids. The good news is the youngest child is still alive today. So, a friend went and talked to her, and that was indeed her parents and older sister on the isolated page.
She also told her grandparents name, but we can't find the grandfather on the search function at all.
My concern is to get this error documented for future genealogists. We can still talk to the woman, but in the future, this will be lost. I suppose I need to get on a LDS forum and ask how to document it permanently.
Also, a cousin of my wife's says he has a book which claims the niece of Moctezuma married the cacique of this community in 1520. That would certainly put the family of Moctezuma in this community!
She died, and he obtained permission to use her thesis in this book. I had Amazon send it to our daughter's house in Texas and my wife brought it back on her latest trip to visit her grandson.
But, a comment about the history of the Aztecs is what I want to write about here. There seem to be so many opinions by so-called experts that it is hard to sort it out.
This book says that Tula, North east of Mexico City, was inhabited by Toltecs prior to the arrival of the Aztecs from whence they came. The population of Tula had dropped considerably. The Aztecs came there, and did a lot of building, allegedly lived there for around 20 years. They decided to leave; one must wonder if this had to do with ripping the hearts out of living people, but what do I know?
They allegedly tore up a lot of their building, then moved into the Valley of Mexico.
There was some intermarriage by nobility with the Toltec population, and this occurred well into the era of Cortes, several centuries later. Those tribes used intermarriage with other tribes as a way of accumulating power, or so they hoped. Emperors may have had hundreds of "wives" from every surrounding culture and tribe, though most were lesser wives.
So, if this man knows what he is talking about, there were documented intermarriages but the Aztecs were not Toltec as such.
I have obtained the recently released by the LDS, 1930 census for my state. I was looking up Moctezuma's, and found an entire town where the original census dummies screwed up the papers. The officials would take out a certain number of forms, with room on each one for up to 50 names. First in line, they would put up the name, age, occupation, etc., of the family head, then other members, including lodgers and all.
In the case of one Moctezuma family, they messed up the order of the pages of a whole community when stamping the page number.
So, the computer took the last 4 names from the previous town, and concatenated them to the front of the 5 Moctezuma kids, on secondary search. Looking at the actual images, which are available, I discovered another page, way back in the heap, with a mother and father Moctezuma, and one child. I theorized the other family was actually the beginning of the family of the kids. The good news is the youngest child is still alive today. So, a friend went and talked to her, and that was indeed her parents and older sister on the isolated page.
She also told her grandparents name, but we can't find the grandfather on the search function at all.
My concern is to get this error documented for future genealogists. We can still talk to the woman, but in the future, this will be lost. I suppose I need to get on a LDS forum and ask how to document it permanently.
Also, a cousin of my wife's says he has a book which claims the niece of Moctezuma married the cacique of this community in 1520. That would certainly put the family of Moctezuma in this community!
