The honeymoon is over, I guess

[piegrande]

Believing you know where a treasure is, is like a honeymoon. Men marry with great expectations of a marital paradise, right? If you didn't think so, you wouldn't get married in the first place. Soon, harsh reality sets in.

There are many stories on T-net of men who have a great idea where a large treasure might be located. They all firmly believe it, just as I sincerely believed the treasure of an Emperor is located a short distance from my home.

But, always the belief is based on a suspension of reality in some area. For example, many people think the treasure of Moctezuma is located somewhere in Utah; Arizona; or New Mexico... Really, that is a good place to look. Large areas to explore with few restrictions. Plenty of fresh air and good exercise.

To believe it's there, they must simply overlook the impossibility that the Aztecs would ever have walked for months to hide a large treasure in a place where they could never retrieve it. Still, it is a good place to look. And since there is no chance of finding it anywhere, anyway why not look there? Spending a week wandering around the boonies is good for you.

In my case, I also overlooked reality. There is a tendency to exaggerate the positive and ignore the negatives.

The mental and emotional exercise recommended in a PM woke me to harsh reality. Of the 'facts' I based my theory on the statements of a man who would never take anything by force if he could take it by lies and deceit. (Not that he waited long before using force.) Yet, I believed his statement of nearly 20 tons of treasure and most of it recovered by Aztecs after falling into the lake.

Most of my theory was excellent, though it was based on lies by Cortes, therefore doomed in the end.

But, there were still flaws. For example, I assumed the uncles were resistant because they knew the treasure was there. Once I contemplated people coming here actually looking for it, I realized they are sick and tired after 70+ years (just their own lifetimes) of having people come around, snooping and asking permission to dig. PLUS THEY DON'T WANT THEIR CORN CRIB BLOWN UP BY RICH KIDS FROM UK!!!

I realized this after realizing I didn't want a bunch of noisy, obnoxious tourists ramming around on my private property, to get there. I had suspended the reality of having strangers invade your property all the time when I attributed the uncles' resistance to proof the treasure was there. Dumb!

So, yeah, I got bit by the gold bug, just as the guys looking in the USA are.

I really was convinced the treasure was there. Now, I see I was deluding myself, just because I wanted it to be there, even knowing I could never see it. It made me feel good to think there was an incredible treasure not far from my house. Plus I like solving mysteries.

The person who wrote the PM said he actually thought my theory made a lot more sense than any other theory he has seen. (It should, it took me thirty years to develop.) But, as an isolated observer he was able to see the flaws that I was overlooking. Thanks, guy, for setting me straight. You only cost me 500,000,000 dollars.

Anyway, if you find out where I am, and you must, pay the tourist committee their blood money. There are other things to see in the area. Just don't come to my house by yourself and start banging on my door without first being invited or escorted properly as tourists should be in isolated places in Mexico.

I think I am going to recommend a mandatory 'tip' for tourists touring the ruins. It is private property. The committee can decide if that makes sense. Not a big tip.

Did you ever get involved in something, hoping it fails? I can live here forever without tourist traffic. At the same time, if my neighbors can benefit from tourists, I have no right to stand in their way.

 

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[H-2 CHARLIE]

Second hand info , third and forth hand info ? Its nice to believe in the unbelievable .

 

[J.A.A.]

Piegrande-
Is it possible to share with us what the PM said and how exactly it contradicted your theories? Thirty years of thoughtfully & intelligently putting together the facts just to have one single message shoot it all down sounds like a bit of a stretch. Unless this person showed you a picture of them standing next to the treasure at a different location, I wouldn't give in to your own ideas so quickly. Then again, maybe your main goal in drastically changing the direction of your posts after spending so much time sharing them here is to simply keep the trespassers & thieves away from your (and your family's) lands, which I totally respect.
Please elaborate.

Thank you in advance.
J.A.A.

 

[Tador]

Piegrande-
Is it possible to share with us what the PM said and how exactly it contradicted your theories? Thirty years of thoughtfully & intelligently putting together the facts just to have one single message shoot it all down sounds like a bit of a stretch. Unless this person showed you a picture of them standing next to the treasure at a different location, I wouldn't give in to your own ideas so quickly. Then again, maybe your main goal in drastically changing the direction of your posts after spending so much time sharing them here is to simply keep the trespassers & thieves away from your (and your family's) lands, which I totally respect.
Please elaborate.

Thank you in advance.
J.A.A.

Agreed piegrande. Your posts make a lot of sense to me. The best theory I've heard on the treasure.

 

[piegrande]

A little bit of both things. I did take a hard new look at my data, and it is true that my logic was flawless. But, on second thought not so sure the facts to which I applied the logic are believable.

And, yes, being nervous about large numbers of people including the Mexican government coming busting in here also caused me to take a more negative look at the foundational 'facts'.

Yes, it might be there. I'm just not so sure as I was. I was awfully, awfully sure it was there. Now I am not so sure any more. I felt it HAD to be there. Now I am thinking it MIGHT be there, but can see issues which led me astray. I listed them.

The statements in the PM were directed at the possibility of very wishful thinking involved on my part. It was a very polite PM, but was a wake-up message.

And, I would feel terrible if someone relied on my belief and came down here and ruined their life, violating the local laws. Or getting chewed up by a totally insane German Shepherd dog. I am not the only one who can get carried away. The difference is I did it intellectually. There are people who can really mess up their lives because of an obsession, such as the rich kid from UK seems to be able of doing.

 

[piegrande]

I will say if Bernal Diaz was correct and that treasure did exist, AND if it is not here, then I am still convinced it will be in a similar circumstances elsewhere in Mexico. Aztecs would never have sent it out of their own region.

They had houses and families and property all over their region. The only reason I suspected this place is because living here I know it was Aztec property, and because locals believe it was here. I do not know how many other places they owned around Mexico. And, I did say this from the beginning, that there may be other places where it could be.

 

[ivan salis]

sound logical thought based upon quick sand facts is not good ---many a treasure hunting man has been sucked down into that madness pit...from hell.

rule #1 ---be sure your information , documents and maps are true and valid .... before investing lots of time ,money and effort in a project..

 

[piegrande]

And, though I cannot recommend it, if you are able to identify where I live and want to come as a law-abiding, respectful tourist, feel free.The locals can use the tourist money, and it won't be much. There are at least 2 hotels, no less than one star. But, ask to check the bed first. I have never stayed in the hotels, but one person did and a spring stuck in his back all night.

I am not going to give tours of the ruins to all comers, if there are many, but men with winning personalities and social skills might get a tour of the ruins.

There are other things to see here. But, if you find me you can also find the tourist information. It is not Teotihuacan nor Machu Picchu (spelling?) nor Easter Island, but there are unique historical things to be seen. And, if you have never been in a small Mexican mountain village that alone might justify the trip.

If you go into larger Mexican cities, there is usually a zocalo, which means government offices; church; and a big central park. As many years as I have lived here, I still enjoy them. Kids running up and down trying to catch pigeons. Lovers necking in broad daylight, sometimes May-December. Old men playing chess.

Small mountain villages also have their own personality. Nothing earth shaking. Just a unique place with its own personality, that you have never seen before. And, some historical things to see. I am not going to list them, that would give more clues.

 

[ivan salis]

ever watch "the treasure of the serria madre" quite a good movie...

 

[piegrande]

#8, there is no way to be sure of something that happened almost 500 years ago.

But, in general, your points are excellent.

Based on remarks made by a probably drunk native several hundred years ago, people are wandering all over uninhabited areas of Southern USA looking for Moctezuma's treasure. I don't mind, because such ventures are good for them. Apparently, it is legal to be there, and to dig, and the fresh air and exercise are beneficial. It beats sitting in front of a TV, downing large quantities of brew.

My personal philosophy is that a person should have some prime directive in life, and if that includes a clearly false premise that brilliant military strategists sent a precious treasure months away out of their turf, it matters not. They aren't going to find the treasure in the USA, and it is unlikely that anyone here ever sees it, even if it is here.

I want to emphasize my belief that my logic was perfect. The issue is are the facts I applied the logic to, correct or not. It's that simple.

I feel little sheepish in the end, yes. But, I don't feel really bad. My point was to understand the mentality of the people who may or may not have buried the treasure. That is true in the case of the Aztecs or pirates of the sea.

 

[piegrande]

Nothing has changed in the last 5 years, but again I truly believe the treasure is there. Hahaha. I call this sort of thing Wild Mood Swings.