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  1. #681
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    Nemo me impune lacesset

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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    HOLA amigos,

    BOB123 are you Blindbowman? If so, there are a couple of threads that came up while you were absent, that I think you would find interesting. I will post the links if you are back.
    Oroblanco
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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    Gossy luv: hi, welcome back & a discrete ? smooch. What ever happend to the experiment?

    Don Jose de La Mancha


    Hello Don Jose! (discreet smooch back)
    The experiment actually went well, but the person I worked with could not commit further, because his life barged in. LOL, he was the only one that went exactly according to protocol, which was interesting. I would have liked to pursue it further, but it takes a commitment to time. And who has that... lol.
    Janiece

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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    HI LUV: Hmm I thought that i was going according to your protocol? sigh

    Don Jose de La Mancha
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    The RV I have studied is military in its execution. I know that unless you surrender and do exactly as the RV coach requests, you won't do well. It is also very time consuming.
    So with that in mind, most didn't get past the first instructions.
    Janiece

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    mx
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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    HIO Gossy Luv:
    Does having the same dream three nights in a row as a teen age'r, then having all phases of it gradually come true count? Plus many, many other thingies equally unexplainable come true ? this includes some that were involved in the finding of Tayopa.

    Don Jose de La Manchca
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

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    Apr 2008
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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    HIO Gossy Luv:
    Does having the same dream three nights in a row as a teen age'r, then having all phases of it gradually come true count? Plus many, many other thingies equally unexplainable come true ? this includes some that were involved in the finding of Tayopa.

    Don Jose de La Manchca

    No, Don Jose it doesn't pertain to any of the psychic/dream/mystical practises at all. It was developed by the military and its execution is very regimented.
    Having said that... I would love to hear about your dreams!
    Janiece

  8. #687

    Jul 2007
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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    Quote Originally Posted by lamar
    Dear CubFan64;
    The dangers associated with mistranslations are great and it would certainly behoove the well rounded researcher to perform their own translations, as much as they are able to, that is. There exists countless examples of mistranslated works and I am sure there will be many more to come.

    Please bear in mind that, using our current language, English, we are able to express over 10,000 different emotional states, whereas in Latin we can only express around 500 and in classical Greek a mere 100. This is where problems typically arise. One should never use an emotional state to translate a document where did not exist previously. For a good example, we can use the Lords' Prayer, which was originally written in Greek and later translated into Latin and studied by legions of Roman Catholic theologians. Then, in a fit of reform, the prayer was translated into English. It was mangled beyond belief during the Latin-to-English so well translation and I use this prayer as an example only because practically everyone knows it by heart:
    Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur Nomen tuum.
    Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name.
    Our Father, who is in Heaven, sacred is Your Name(the name of God was so sacred that it could not be said aloud).
    Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra.
    Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth and it is in Heaven.
    Your kingdom shall come, and your will shall be done, even on Earth as it is done in Heaven(There will be heaven on Eath and the dead shall rise and walk the Earth again).
    Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris
    Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
    For giving us our daily food, and forgiving us our sins while we forgive those who have sinned aginst us.(For the bountiful gifts which You have given to us, for the forgiveness of our sins and for giving us each of us a conscious, thus allowing those who have mistreated us to be forgiven)
    Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo.
    And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil..(God does NOT lead us into temptation, that would be Satans' job. This mistranslation is a horrible butchery of the Latin text.)
    And do not permit us to be tempted(by Satan), instead keep us free from evil(from Satan).

    From the above bold faced translation, one can immediately read the untentional mockery of the Latin prayer, which was translated from Latin into English over the course of perhaps a week or so, by a handful of Protestant reformers. In their sincere attempt to provide an accurate translation, they did not take into consideration the context of the prayer, rather they attempted a word-for-word type of tranlsation. And because of their mistakes, for centuries countless English-speaking Christians have been reciting the prayer incorrectly.
    Your friend;
    LAMAR




    Lamar,

    I am amazed how you explained yourself, especially using the Lord's Prayer. I found that ironic for some reason? Can I ask your explanation of why it hasn't ever been corrected? I thought you were a priest, till I seen your post on exploitation of treasure sites. ha ha. can't say I think much differently, but I'm trying to be a, "christian", about it. Thank you for the interpretation, it was very enlightening. Look forward to hearing more.

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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    WELCOME TO TREASURENET EUGENE!
    Oroblanco
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  10. #689

    Jul 2007
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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    Hi Oroblanco
    Thank's for the greeting, I've been around, but don't post very often. I just like to read all the different threads and theories, but that interpretation by Lamar on the Lords prayer blew my socks off. The interpretation of it is so universal, everyone can understand the underlining point.

    Eugene

  11. #690
    Desert Rat

    Mar 2006
    Fruita Colorado
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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    Mr. Martin...how are things down south?
    Haven't heard from you in a long while
    and your web page is down i see?
    Oil boom went bust up here...might be
    headin your way shortly....from where
    i came from in 2002...lol.

    DW
    Chasing The Past One Marker At A Time...

  12. #691

    Jul 2007
    22

    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leones Corazon
    Mr. Martin...how are things down south?
    Haven't heard from you in a long while
    and your web page is down i see?
    Oil boom went bust up here...might be
    headin your way shortly....from where
    i came from in 2002...lol.

    DW
    Hello Corazon
    It's good to hear from ya again. I'm sorry about your job. But we'll have another Zoner in the Zone again. Welcome back DW. We should get together for coffee when you get down hear.
    Martin

  13. #692
    gb
    Aug 2008
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    Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

    Hello Lamar,

    I don't post very often in fact it is a long while since i posted at all but i do have a query regarding your translation, from latin into english, i've put any changes from your translation in capitals, knowing nothing of latin i have no problems with accepting your translation, but only your old english into modern english.

    you quote hallowed by thy name, we were always taught it as hallowed BE thy name, so can you confirm that BY is the correct latin to english translation,,

    also next line on earth and it is in heaven,
    once again we were taught on earth AS it is in heaven,
    can you confirm that also,

    Regarding the word hallowed, i think you will find in old english that it does not mean that it cannot be said aloud but simply the name is to be held in awe or venerated, not that it cannot be used or said aloud,

    regarding lead us not into temptation, that is a double negative and is correct for old english, rather like agreeing with someone and saying to them you are not wrong,
    they are saying if you see us being tempted please guide us away from the temptation, remove the word not and you would be correct but the word not makes all the diffrence to what is actually meant,

    also thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,
    can you explain where there is any refrence in the original latin or the translation to the dead walking again ?
    i read it simply as god will return there will be peace and his teachings and wishes will be done on earth as they are now being done in heaven,

    many thanks for your reply

    furness



 

 
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