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    So the burning question is did Livingston or Lafitte payoff uncle sam

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    LOL! Is THAT the "burning question"? YOUR point being...? (DUNNO)

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    “My brother Pierre and I had never thought that those for whom we had done so much at the time of the birth of a new nation would want to oust us from a foreign territory. Texas was not American territory; it still belonged to Spain, and it seemed that it was paying a foreign nation well to protect its territories and sea commerce. I had always rather worried about an invasion from Spain rather than an abandonment and destruction on part of Washington”

    “My treasures that I had to burn will be avenged by the fifth generation of those aggressive birds of prey that chased me away.”

    In the above entry Laffite is speaking in terms of the French role in the birth of a new nation. The “aggressive birds of prey” is in reference to the American Eagle.

    “Leaving behind markings and written annals for progress so as to lighten burdens for the good and the best is a great blessing to others and to generations to come.”

    This is what is really at the heart of the Beale Papers. It isn’t about treasure, but rather it is about the exposing of the corruptions of a government and the greed that was allowed to overtake the principles of that “most sacred of all documents”, the DOI.

    The Livingston/Laffite relationship Tat is referring to may play very heavily in the overall scope of things.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    What would be the fith gen.

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    (WINK) Read the 5th Generation by Brad Andrews; it is "on-line" & has to do with Lafitte "theory". (SMILE)

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    When,is the 5th gen. When would be first gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justintime View Post
    When,is the 5th gen. When would be first gen.
    First generation = 1776, the recognized birth of the nation.
    Fifth Generation = using dictionaries from the time period, a generation was generally defined as being between 33- 35 years. If you multiply these amounts by 5 and add that number to 1776 you'll arrive at the mid 1940's, or the "exact" period when the Laffite Memoirs were revealed/released.

    As a side note, both Adams and Jefferson died on July 4th, 1826. It was during this same period that Jean and his brother met and decided to give up "the cause".

    And, as ironic as it might appear to be, if you look at the dates of the Beale deposits and then compare those dates to the signing and ratification dates of the Adams Onis Treaty you'll notice that both deposits fall "exactly" 9 & 10 months in advance of the signing and ratification dates. You'll also notice that the dates of Beale's visits to Morriss fall "exactly" 11 months from these same singing and ratification dates. The big key here is this, the singing and ratification of the Adam's Onis Treaty not only ended the Laffites stay in the disputed territory and their smuggling empire, but the treaty also ended their cause and was seen by them as being a huge trampling over of the principles within that, "most sacred of all documents". In 1823 Monroe signed the Monroe doctrine, and with a very intended purposeand direct message aimed at the floundering French cause. And that cause? It was to establish a new France within the boundaries of the United states, and that cause had been pursued since 1776. The last hope for the French was Florida...(read the Monroe Doctrine.)

    Added just for the heck of it:

    “I recommended to Mr. Hall, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Sherman, and those of Bolivar to distribute the gold to the indicated places. My last secret words to Mr. Hall were to say that my mission would be to the south, to the east, then to the north. The majority of my personal valuables and my documents had been sent to Charleston, Baltimore, and Philadelphia.” (Bolivar was located on the opposite side of Galveston Bay to the east). Laffite was fully aware of the pending signing and ratification of the Adams OnisTreaty and he had plenty of time to prepare and he also had the means to pull it off.

    ”I have described my past; the missions that I accomplished, my true convictions. The greatest part of my wealth has been sacrificed so that others can do good work, all of it without a trace, without leaving my name.

    I do not hesitate from the beginning to be positive in my writings and my journal. I fervently believe all future events can be guided with precision and certainty.

    If God wishes to love the fifth generation to come, he will unveil the intentions and the spirit of the dead. And with my entire help!”

    The Beale Papers are all about the abuse and trampling over of the principles in the DOI. “Unveiling the intentions and spirit of the dead” is in reference to the signers of the DOI and the principles that are contained in the DOI. “Guiding all future events with precision and certainty” is in reference to what has been left behind for future generations. The treaties with Great Britain & Spain were seen as being acts that traded in the principles of the DOI in the name of greed at the highest level. If you think not, then simply examine who our two biggest allies are today…..”Great Britain & Spain”.

    "And with my entire help!" = If you want proof of all of this corruption then simply find those “vaults” containing that proof.
    Last edited by bigscoop; May 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM.
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    Thanks scoop for the info going to read. There was so much going on in the,shadows,and still goes on today. Time will tell hope for the best,playing to the end.

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    DUNNO, Sounds MORE like the Yanks vs the REBS of the CONFEDERATE WAR; with Great Britain & France being "for the SOUTHERN INDEPENDENCE"; they BOTH loaned $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to CSA! (WINK)

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    Just goes to show many politicians, even back at the birth of our nation were influenced by some shadey characters. ie; Livingston falls to corruption and fights his way back to wealth. But, and the is a big butt, from an english family and well educated he writes the Louisianna civil code. Livingston's civil code is based on none other then Napoleans codes. So even as enemies (french and the brits) they could be brought to beleive in the french beleifs. Im looking at some other people that may have turned to the french beleifs too. But Ill reveal that soon.

    HH Jay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    DUNNO, Sounds MORE like the Yanks vs the REBS of the CONFEDERATE WAR; with Great Britain & France being "for the SOUTHERN INDEPENDENCE"; they BOTH loaned $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to CSA! (WINK)
    This is why I've posted before the following question, "How can everything appear to be related to the Beale mystery?" As odd as it appears to be, pick just about any major event through the entire period and if you dig deep enough it will eventually lead you back to 1776, the DOI, and to the French. The reason this is possible is because the French presence and influence in this country was vast, rooted very deeply, and very influential. And yet, when they needed it most they were not allowed to settle French claims or territories in this country. Incidentally, this was not an expected condition at the time of the Louisiana Purchase. What Jefferson envisioned at the time of the purchase was something quite different then what really took place. Jefferson saw open doors and fantastic possibilities for the country.....but not everyone in power felt the same way.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    Jefferson had Bacon vision. Wasn't the first masonic lodge from France.

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    Did Lafayette,know Thomas Jefferson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justintime View Post
    Did Lafayette,know Thomas Jefferson.
    "Great question!" I'd love to find a document to prove this.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    Charlottesville Central Gazette May 4th to 15th 1824. Lafayette visits Monticello.

 

 
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