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  1. #241
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    (GRIN) Back from the Shenandoah Valley; it was Thomas Beale, Sr. who fled to New Orleans after the duel, according to many sources, including Peter Viemeister (RIP) in HIS books on the Beale Treasure. Thomas Beale, Jr went to New Orleans and may have come back to Botetourt County, Va. and married TWICE. Thomas Beale, Sr. ran a HOTEL in the French Quarter, having served as CAPTAIN of Beale Rifles in the War of 1812; Pascal Buford was CAPTAIN of HIS artillery in New Orleans (War of 1812); of course, Gen Andrew Jackson & the Lafitte Bros
    (Jean, Pierre, & Alex) served in War of 1812; in fact, Alex was CAPTAIN of HIS Artillery in the war of 1812 with HIS experience as directing cannons in his "pirate" days. AHOY MATES! I DO believe they ALL knew each other. (GRIN & WINK)
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    Correct....they all knew each other. And, at this battle they are all fighting for the same cause, or perhaps more accurately, they are all resisting the same socialist aggressor, that of a tyrant. Of great importance here is the location of the battle, which is New Orleans. This is going to play in VERY heavily on the type of things you should look for in your further research. In the Laffite memoirs, during George Graham's visit/secret mission to Galveston Island we are told told that, "George Graham wasn't aware that General Lallemand was under oath to New Orleans." Now this is in 1818, more then three years past the battle of New Orleans and just a few months in advance of the signing of the Adam's Onis Treaty and the first deposit. How ironic is it that Jean Laffite made certain he was always positioned on the front lines with both of these world tyrant's, Britain & Spain? Or was it ironic? How is it possible that a privateer and smuggler was called to Washington D.C. to discuss & debate the terms of the Adam's Onis Treaty with Adam's, De Onis, & Monroe, even including the subject of prisoner exchange? What was the oath hanging over General Lallemand's head and what, or who, was that oath owed to? Lallemand was standing right next to Napoleon when he surrendered, how is it that General Lallemand was able to escape and find safe passage into this country just as many other prominent French notables had managed? The web is quite sprawling and the list of names is very, very long.

    I don't think Tat is sleeping at all.
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    Consider this for a moment:

    "The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent "civilian" Intelligence Agency of the United States government. It is an executive agency and reports directly to the Director of National Intelligence, with responsibility for providing national security intelligence assessment to senior United States policymakers. Intelligence gathering is performed by non-military commissioned civilian intelligence agents, many of whom are trained to avoid tactical situations. The CIA also oversees and sometimes engages in tactical and covert activities at the request of the President of the United States.[9] Often, when such field operations are organized, the US military or other warfare tacticians carry these tactical operations out on behalf of the agency while the CIA oversees them.[10] Although intelligence-gathering is the agency's main agenda, tactical divisions were established in the agency to carry out emergency field operations that require immediate suppression or dismantling of a threat or weapon.[11] The CIA is often used for intelligence-gathering instead of the U.S military to avoid a declaration of war."

    Basically, this type of clandestine civilian operation has been going on long before the official creating of the CIA. In his memoirs Laffite tells us a great deal and he references many names & events, he also tells us that he sacrificed a great deal so others could do good work, without leaving his name. The "unknown author" of the Beale Papers did this same thing. Laffite was a civilian when he sat in the previously mentioned meeting with Adams, De Onis & Monroe. When he was preparing to depart Galveston Island for the final time he claims that he only "recommended" to Mr. Hall, Mr. Sherman, Mr. Campbell, and those of Bolivar to keep to their promise and distribute the gold to the indicated places. This is because he could only recommend this action, as he could not directly order it. What is currently being uncovered is absolutely amazing, to say the least, and the list of prominent and influential names, and events, is absolutely huge.
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  4. #244
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    (CHEESY GRIN) Naw... It is the NSA (National Security Agency) which has been looking at the BEALE PAPERS, Beale Ciphers, & Beale Treasure since WW II; they even sent ppl to Lynchburg, Va. asking ppl about it. HA! NOW, it could also be Central Security Service... DUNNO. CIA is INTERNATIONAL! AND! NSA was BRIEFLY featured on the DECODED show (on DOI) saying the Beale Treasure is UNDERWATER in New Orleans (Katrina); I think it was the FIRST U.S. MINT down there... NOW a museum. AND! CIA didn't even EXIST back then! LOL! (WINK)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    (CHEESY GRIN) Naw... It is the NSA (National Security Agency) which has been looking at the BEALE PAPERS, Beale Ciphers, & Beale Treasure since WW II; they even sent ppl to Lynchburg, Va. asking ppl about it. HA! NOW, it could also be Central Security Service... DUNNO. CIA is INTERNATIONAL! AND! NSA was BRIEFLY featured on the DECODED show (on DOI) saying the Beale Treasure is UNDERWATER in New Orleans (Katrina); I think it was the FIRST U.S. MINT down there... NOW a museum. AND! CIA didn't even EXIST back then! LOL! (WINK)
    You took a wrong turn. Wasn't implying that the "CIA" existed back when, only implying that the same type of operation existed back then. It's funny that people are so willing to accept that Laffite may have been a Spanish spy, and yet for many of these same people the notion of the existence of a well organized civilian network much like the CIA during the period is completely unthinkable. Truth is, once you start researching the possibility there is whole host of evidence out there, including documents, letters, oaths, etc. Every super power wanted this continent, or at least a piece of it, for their very own.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    LOL! YOU "quoted" from modern day CIA info; I am sure there WAS a international "conspiracy" of SPYING... BUT! It was ALL within each "house" (country); the BRITS had their spies, the SPANISH, MEXICAN spies were "out & about". The Americans started with TJ, and his ciphers, especially with PATTERSON (prof. of MATH) and TJ's cipher(s) for the Louis & Clark going to the NW, etc. Even the Lafittes may have had THEIR cipher(s). I have seen BOTH public (gov't, military) and private ciphers, which were USUALLY an "updating" of OLDER ciphers; as an example TJ's Cipher DISK was "updated" & utilized by BOTH North & South... during the CONFEDERATE WAR.

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    Forget the ciphers for now and think of the widespread network that would be required. Double agents were common even back in the day.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    It may seem ironic but it seems the more that is posted on this subject the more it is in line with the CD Book of mine, "Lost Diary of Thomas J. Beall." I have all of the secret agents in my book----I have General James Robinson of the Secret Patriot Army and this is true as it came from the papers of Dr. James Robinson. You have General James Wilkerson his coat buttons on his uniform were Spanish Gold Doubloons and he was also a double agent if you read the trials of his and Aaron Burrs. You have Aaron Burr trying to become a King of all the Spanish Territory west of the Mississippi River. You have Thomas J. Beall fighting at the Battle of New Orleans and his fellow associates all members of the Secret Patriot Army. You have the Battle of Medina, Mexico were one-third of the Third Division of the Mexican Army present at the battle were members of the Patriot Army paid by President James Madison, President James Monroe and President Thomas Jefferson. All of the findings that are now being found I have already found and wrote about. I know Lafitte fits into this book of mine to as he was transporting weapons to the Patriot Army with his ships into Texas. All of this you will find in the writings of Dr. James Robertson and in my CD Book. You all keep hunting for information I found over ten years ago I will move on to the next subject. Assassination of four of our first five Presidents. I even tried to have a Senate Hearing Committee on this one but not enough evidence other than circumstantial could be found, but I know it is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    It may seem ironic but it seems the more that is posted on this subject the more it is in line with the CD Book of mine, "Lost Diary of Thomas J. Beall." I have all of the secret agents in my book----I have General James Robinson of the Secret Patriot Army and this is true as it came from the papers of Dr. James Robinson. You have General James Wilkerson his coat buttons on his uniform were Spanish Gold Doubloons and he was also a double agent if you read the trials of his and Aaron Burrs. You have Aaron Burr trying to become a King of all the Spanish Territory west of the Mississippi River. You have Thomas J. Beall fighting at the Battle of New Orleans and his fellow associates all members of the Secret Patriot Army. You have the Battle of Medina, Mexico were one-third of the Third Division of the Mexican Army present at the battle were members of the Patriot Army paid by President James Madison, President James Monroe and President Thomas Jefferson. All of the findings that are now being found I have already found and wrote about. I know Lafitte fits into this book of mine to as he was transporting weapons to the Patriot Army with his ships into Texas. All of this you will find in the writings of Dr. James Robertson and in my CD Book. You all keep hunting for information I found over ten years ago I will move on to the next subject. Assassination of four of our first five Presidents. I even tried to have a Senate Hearing Committee on this one but not enough evidence other than circumstantial could be found, but I know it is true.
    It gets better, much better. Stay tuned......your Laffite/New Orleans "connexion" to Bedford county is on the way. However, we are 100% certain it is "Beale" and not Beall, just as it was written on the cover the Pamphlet. The confusion as to which Beale is the right Beale is also about to be made crystal clear.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    Beale did not bring wagons over the santa fe trail, so someone made that part up ....On September 1, 1821, Captain William Becknell, a Missouri trader, who was bankrupt and facing jail for debts, left Arrow Rock in Missouri for his first trip west. He was the first to follow the route that later became known as the Santa Fe Trail. Becknell packed goods to Santa Fe and made profit. Since he was successful on his first trip, he went on several other trips to Santa Fe that year.
    In 1822, William Becknell left Missouri with the first
    party of traders to travel to Santa Fe. On his way he learned that Mexico had gained independence from Spain and that Santa Fe now welcomed trade. Again, he made great profit in the city.
    In January 1822, Becknell and his crew returned home and spread the news of the new trading partner. There was great excitement among the people of Arrow Rock.
    Becknell prepared for another journey to Santa Fe. But this time he wanted to make use of a wagon train instead of pack mules or horses as a protection against Indian attacks and other dangers. This plan led to a great new- frontier joke in Arrow Rock since people thought it impossible to take heavy wagons across the plains or even the mountains, and his train was soon nicknamed the "Caravan of Death". Nevertheless, Becknell realized his plan, although he knew himself that it was almost absurd. On May 22, he left with three loaded wagons, 24 oxen and 21 men.

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    You need to read the Journals of Jacob Fowler. You will find that Jacob Fowler over a year earlier than Becknell found wagon tracks on the south side of the Missouri River in Arkansas or further west. Sometime around July 4, 1821. Of the party encountered while camping was the Scout Leader of the Beale Expedition Benjamin Cooper and his two nephews, Stephen and Braxton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    It gets better, much better. Stay tuned......your Laffite/New Orleans "connexion" to Bedford county is on the way. However, we are 100% certain it is "Beale" and not Beall, just as it was written on the cover the Pamphlet. The confusion as to which Beale is the right Beale is also about to be made crystal clear.
    I was not referring as to which Beale or Beall was in New Orleans I was posting about the Secret Agents you were talking about I have already traced them to the President of the United States.

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    (Coffee? WINK) YEP! James Madison had HIS agents & secret cipher(s); it ALL started with TJ & PATTERSON. (GRIN)

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    I was not referring as to which Beale or Beall was in New Orleans I was posting about the Secret Agents you were talking about I have already traced them to the President of the United States.
    Your secret agent aspect was/is right on target. Tat is compiling all the info on Laffite and Beale and Bedford County, etc.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    (WINK) Pertaining to PREZ James Madison..."google" CUPID Cipher; then, VIRGINIA DELEGATE CODE (cipher with NUMBERS)! Look at correspondents between Madison & Randolph. (WINK)
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