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    Is the Beale codes a hoax?

    Can anyone explian the following to me? (To systematize a plan for my work I arranged the papers in the order of their length, and numbered them, designing to commence with the first, and devote my whole attention to that until I had either unravelled its meaning or was convinced of its impossibility - afterwards to take up the others and proceed as before. ---
    by J. B. Ward)
    Paper number "1" describes the exact locality of the vault so that no difficulty will be had in finding it

    If the papers was numbered by Ward how it possible for beale to say paper number 1?

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    HA! PROBABLY a "code"... DUNNO. Gotta remember that TJB probably wrote the letters & Beale Ciphers by "hand", with a FEATHER PEN, in 1819. The ciphers may NOT have been type-set, as in the BEALE PAPER(S) (letters & ciphers). MAY not have been "lined-up" as neatly as in a pamphlet/booklet. YOU think JB Ward wrote "BP"? He was ONLY the AGENT for the author... who I think was Ferdinand Hutter, of the CONFEDERATE WAR... AND! Ward & Hutter were COUSINS; their "COMMON" grandfather was JB RISQUE! Formerly from Fincastle, VIRGINIA!
    (NOD & a WINK)
    Last edited by Rebel - KGC; Aug 05, 2012 at 07:53 AM.

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    well anyway the pamplet stated that the one who broke code 2 also numbered the papers by length,and in code 2 that was broken beale made the statement that paper number "1" would tell the exact location,if the papers were not numbered then how did Beale come up with the words paper number "1" ?

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    At the very least this much debated point proves that the author of the Pamphlet story and the author of the ciphers were either, A) one in the same, or B) that the author of the pamphlet story was fabricating a certain amount of the story. There are other "huge blunders" or "tell-tells" in the story as well if you take the time to look for them. For instance it's already a proven fact that the claimed adventure could not have taken place as it was told, or within in the time frames described. Only the blind true believers still cling to this notion, and this number is "very few". A hoax? Maybe, maybe not, as there does exist a few possibilities as to why the author had no choice but to create the adventure portion of the story.
    Last edited by bigscoop; Aug 05, 2012 at 10:08 AM.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    CONFOUND IT ALL! It IS a bit VEXING! LOL! HART PAPERS doesn't have the "BE" story (Beale Expedition); just the numbers on several sheets of paper, and "talking" about a Treasure (NOT called the Beale Treasure), that was buried near SGT. (CSA) Newton Hazlewood's home in Montvale/Peaks of Otter "area". Clayton Hart told the story; his brother wrote the story in 1952 or so... then it was Pauline's story in 1964, that started it all; Peter Viemeister wrote several books on "it"... Pauline was from Roanoke, and Peter was from Bedford City. NOT a hoax... just a "COVER-STORY".
    Last edited by Rebel - KGC; Aug 05, 2012 at 11:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    CONFOUND IT ALL! It IS a bit VEXING! LOL! HART PAPERS doesn't have the "BE" story (Beale Expedition); just the numbers on several sheets of paper, and "talking" about a Treasure (NOT called the Beale Treasure), that was buried near SGT. (CSA) Newton Hazlewood's home in Montvale/Peaks of Otter "area". Clayton Hart told the story; his brother wrote the story in 1952 or so... then it was Pauline's story in 1964, that started it all; Peter Viemeister wrote several books on "it"... Pauline was from Roanoke, and Peter was from Bedford City. NOT a hoax... just a "COVER-STORY".
    And there you have it, one of the many other possible theories that still come into play even without the original adventure portion of the story. Today the actual serious hunting isn't for a treasure, but rather it has largely become a hunt for the truth behind the tale.
    "The key to finding gold is finding places where it can be accessed."

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    COULD BE! COFFEE? (WINK)

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    J.B. Ward, new he would one day be a hero. He tried everything,to bring to Light the key,result BP. The key Is #1,exact location. The Doi is key to contents of two. Three is in the vault, with pleasures and wanderings. There will be a box of info inside. Herewith. Its real, maybe Ward numbered cause, the,letters suggested that paper number one is exact location. With no key, what else could you do. He put in story format. Seperate from what Ward said and letters say. Not the same person. JUSTsayn..lol

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    NAW... according to the BEALE PAPER(S), Ward was only the AGENT for the author, and got the COPY-WRITE for the "BP"; had NOTHING to do with TYPE-SETTING, the pamphlet/booklet (1885). Ward said NOTHING in the "BP"!
    Last edited by Rebel - KGC; Aug 06, 2012 at 09:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    NAW... according to the BEALE PAPER(S), Ward was only the AGENT for the author, and got the COPY-WRITE for the "BP"; had NOTHING to do with TYPE-SETTING, the pamphlet/booklet (1885). Ward said NOTHING in the "BP"!
    Letters were passed on, to Ward,He tried his best ,but, could not. Agree, he didn't print, but,he did put in pamphlet form,what morriss said, what Beale looked like,ect. The letters,and codes are not Wards. The Beale Papets pamphlets,are. The printing place didn't write Lol,,,,justsayn

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    NAW... JB Ward was ONLY the AGENT for his cousin, THE AUTHOR of "BP", Ferdinand Hutter... during the CONFEDERATE WAR. Max Guggenheimer (CSA) Lynchburg, Va. HOME GUARD (CSA) specialized in Gematria, since he was JEWISH, and was able to transpose "ciphers" into NUMBERS... confusing the yanks & ALL of us. AND! Sgt. Hazlewood, "Buck" Frank James/"Buck" Wright, Hart Bros., Friedmans (NSA)... ALL had the FULL set of W. Shakespeare "books", with the Baconian Ciphers (Francis Bacon), which was ALSO used in the letters; dig into ALL of THAT for a while; LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    NAW... JB Ward was ONLY the AGENT for his cousin, THE AUTHOR of "BP", Ferdinand Hutter... during the CONFEDERATE WAR. Max Guggenheimer (CSA) Lynchburg, Va. HOME GUARD (CSA) specialized in Gematria, since he was JEWISH, and was able to transpose "ciphers" into NUMBERS... confusing the yanks & ALL of us. AND! Sgt. Hazlewood, "Buck" Frank James/"Buck" Wright, Hart Bros., Friedmans (NSA)... ALL had the FULL set of W. Shakespeare "books", with the Baconian Ciphers (Francis Bacon), which was ALSO used in the letters; dig into ALL of THAT for a while; LOL!
    Lots of people knew about the treasure,few knew the truth,without the promised key, all paths will lead you astray. Anywhey,I don't care,I'm just glad the codes,and letters was saved,preserved. justinglad..

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    WHERE?

 

 

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