WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

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It's also interesting to note that our perception of what an American was during the period is rather twisted to our own liking at times. In reality the population of this country during the period was made up of so many different nationalities it would have been nearly impossible for you to not have neighbors of a different nationality. French, British, German, Spanish, Dutch, Irish, you name it and they were all here, and a lot of mixed marriages/blood a long the way to boot. The same can be said of religion as well. So for instance, when we read about the "American this or that" during the period we always have to be conscious of the fact that the term "American" included many different nationalities.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

It's also interesting to note that our perception of what an American was during the period is rather twisted to our own liking at times. In reality the population of this country during the period was made up of so many different nationalities it would have been nearly impossible for you to not have neighbors of a different nationality. French, British, German, Spanish, Dutch, Irish, you name it and they were all here, and a lot of mixed marriages/blood a long the way to boot. The same can be said of religion as well. So for instance, when we read about the "American this or that" during the period we always have to be conscious of the fact that the term "American" included many different nationalities.

As it IS, today!

 

[ECS]

It's also interesting to note that our perception of what an American was during the period is rather twisted to our own liking at times. In reality the population of this country during the period was made up of so many different nationalities it would have been nearly impossible for you to not have neighbors of a different nationality. French, British, German, Spanish, Dutch, Irish, you name it and they were all here, and a lot of mixed marriages/blood a long the way to boot. The same can be said of religion as well. So for instance, when we read about the "American this or that" during the period we always have to be conscious of the fact that the term "American" included many different nationalities.

...and the Russians. In addition to Alaska,the Russians had a settlement in California, 25 Mi north of Bodega Bay on the Sonoma Coast,which was the northernmost edge of Spanish territory.
In 1812,the Russians built Fort Rossiya (Ross),to protect their interests against Spanish incursions,which never happened.
The Russians depleted the seal otter population(made great cold weather hats),traded with French fur trappers and the native Americans,many Russians married native American women.They also farmed and raised cattle.
When Mexico became independent from Spain,fearing that Mexico would take claim to their settlement,the Russians sold the Fort Ross settlement to Capt John Sutter in 1841.

 

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(Gold, $19.39 an ounce during the period in question, silver was paying a ratio of 15:1, or about $1.30 an ounce.)
2921 lbs of gold = $849,572.85
5100 lbs of silver = $99,450,00
Diamonds = $13,000.00
$962,022,85

So if any portion of the story is true, then what, exactly, was the enterprise that had been undertaken? The amount shown would have been more then enough money to finance a small country, let alone 30 "adventurers". Kings, military leaders, bankers, politicians, etc., and a very large and loyal following, all of them without their own country. In the southwest we have the disputed territory, or the neutral zone, as it was called. "The flame is worth the candle." Odd to that the Declaration of Independence was chosen as the presented key in the Beale Pamphlet.

 

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Was just using the actual historical price of gold and the ratio of silver to gold (15:1) that was being used during the period in question. (15:1 meaning that 15 ounces of silver could buy one ounce of gold.) If we apply this 15:1 formula then silver was actually valued at $1.29 an ounce. Hence, gold was being valued at 15 ounces. But it really shouldn't be made a point of debate because either way you wish to view things it was still way more $$$$ then 30 simple adventurers would ever require.

 

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FRENCH HUGUENOTS IN BEDFORD COUNTY AND SURROUNDING AREA

I have asked many times on this forum if the locals were aware of their area's rich French heritage but they just refuse to go there. "The men in the supposed Beale party were not from the Bedford area."

Louis XIV revoked the EDICT OF NANTES in 1685 ending the CROWN's tolerance of protestants.The Huguenots had two choices,convert to the Catholic Church,or leave France.
Many who chose to leave went to England and Holland,but many came to Virginia.These Huguenots were mostly craftsmen,carpenters, and farmers,and were welcomed in early 1700's Virginia,including Bedford County.
I have listed the family surnames,the Angilcized version where noted:
Nanney(Yancey),D'Aubigny(Dabney),Macon,LaForce,Teague,Truax,Michaux,Beauchamp,and Perrin.

 

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There were a lot of French sympathizers in the country, also a lot of Bonepartist.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Louis XIV revoked the EDICT OF NANTES in 1685 ending the CROWN's tolerance of protestants.The Huguenots had two choices,convert to the Catholic Church,or leave France.
Many who chose to leave went to England and Holland,but many came to Virginia.These Huguenots were mostly craftsmen,carpenters, and farmers,and were welcomed in early 1700's Virginia,including Bedford County.
I have listed the family surnames,the Angilcized version where noted:
Nanney(Yancey),D'Aubigny(Dabney),Macon,LaForce,Teague,Truax,Michaux,Beauchamp,and Perrin.

There was a BIG Huguenot Colony outside of Richmond, VIRGINIA... in the Bon Air Section on the Midlothian Turnpike; wife's father (and she) came from the French Huguenots in MARYLAND... SO! "Google" French Huguenots in Virginia; been at the Bon Air "Colony"... VERY NICE!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

FURTHER R & I indicate that Bon Air, Va. was formerly known as Brown's Summit, a RESORT area for WEALTHY ppl from
Richmond, Va.; a founder was Colonel Algerman S. BUFORD; Colonel Buford (honorary "Title"... a SOUTHERN "thing"), was a "grad" from UVA, a LAWYER (1850's), and served in Richmond (CSA)... for MORE info, "google" Bon Air, Va. - Wiki. HH!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Algernon Sidney Buford was one of the investors in the Richmond & Danville Railroad. Lived and died in Danville, Virginia. There is a street named Buford where he lived.

TRUE! BTW, ALL of this is located in Chesterfield County, VIRGINIA... where there was a BEALE Plantation; looking into this, NOW!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Algernon Sidney Buford was one of the investors in the Richmond & Danville Railroad. Lived and died in Danville, Virginia. There is a street named Buford where he lived.

YEP! TY for the correct first name... it IS Algernon!

 

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The Frenchmen of interest were interested in three things;
1) Making money.
2) Retaining their social status.
3) Restoring their establishment.

They also entertained plots to free Napoleon. "Construct, explore, colonize" was the motto they adopted. A few of these Frenchmen were very well acquainted with the Bedford/Lynchburg region, as well as other portions of the state.

You need to stay away from the Civil War era and stick to the era within the described Beale story. This is not a Civil War thing.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The Frenchmen of interest were interested in three things;
1) Making money.
2) Retaining their social status.
3) Restoring their establishment.

They also entertained plots to free Napoleon. "Construct, explore, colonize" was the motto they adopted. A few of these Frenchmen were very well acquainted with the Bedford/Lynchburg region, as well as other portions of the state.

You need to stay away from the Civil War era and stick to the era within the described Beale story. This is not a Civil War thing.

YOUR opinion! LOL!

 

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The most important realization is meaning behind the names:
Algernon Sidney - Algernon Sidney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Napoleon Bonaparte
You need to understand the principles these names echoed.

The DOI was considered a great manuscript but keep in mind that if given the opportunity these men, and the men involved in the Beale story, would have edited that manuscript.

 

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YOUR opinion! LOL!

If we want knew answers then let's look in new places. Why must these threads always be forced back into the same old stomping grounds?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If we want knew answers then let's look in new places. Why must these threads always be forced back into the same old stomping grounds?

NOTHING is being forced... share YOUR info, as YOU please; are YOU trying to "FORCE" us, to "see" it YOUR way...?

 

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NOTHING is being forced... share YOUR info, as YOU please; are YOU trying to "FORCE" us, to "see" it YOUR way...?

Fine, if that's the way you see it we can fix that. Carry on as usual.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Fine, if that's the way you see it we can fix that. Carry on as usual.

Awww; YOU carry on with YOUR research... it IS interesting.

 

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There were a lot of French sympathizers in the country, also a lot of Bonepartist.

You are pursuing a FRENCH CONNECTION to the Beale treasure story,but where does that trail originate?Besides the journals of E F Beale and John R Bell and the ciphers of Poe,we have the memoirs of Jean LaFitte,and the coincidence of the names Sherman and Ward(Beale Pamphlet) in those memoirs.
Also one needs to tale in account the "gold fever" that swept the east after the discovery of gold at Capt John Sutter's mill in California in 1848,and the popularity of tales of the west in dime store novels of the time that the pamphlet was written.
Many of the French Huguenots who settled in the Bedford area in the early 1700's (pre French Revolution & Napolean),fought with the British colonials in the French and Indian War and on the American rebels side during our revolution.Their decendants would not have any interest in Napolean or French affairs as their "American roots" were established for a least a 100 years.

 

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You are pursuing a FRENCH CONNECTION to the Beale treasure story,but where does that trail originate?Besides the journals of E F Beale and John R Bell and the ciphers of Poe,we have the memoirs of Jean LaFitte,and the coincidence of the names Sherman and Ward(Beale Pamphlet) in those memoirs.
Also one needs to tale in account the "gold fever" that swept the east after the discovery of gold at Capt John Sutter's mill in California in 1848,and the popularity of tales of the west in dime store novels of the time that the pamphlet was written.
Many of the French Huguenots who settled in the Bedford area in the early 1700's (pre French Revolution & Napolean),fought with the British colonials in the French and Indian War and on the American rebels side during our revolution.Their decendants would not have any interest in Napolean or French affairs as their "American roots" were established for a least a 100 years.

Getting around to all that. First, let me tell you this; Lallemand and his brother were both very familiar with the Lynchburg/Liberty area, as was Joseph Bonaparte and the Laffites.