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  1. #736

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Silver View Post
    I ask because I actually want to know.
    It is OK; keep asking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    It is OK; keep asking...
    I may have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Silver View Post
    I assume then that "Thomas Beale" has not been found in France.
    Thomas Beale is different then Thomas J. Beale, more then one "Thomas Beale" has been found while no "Thomas J. Beale" has been found, and certainly no "Thomas Jefferson Beale". And no, to my knowledge no such Beale has been found in France either.

    The point is, if he ever did exist, then "he likely never existed" by that real namesake.
    "Treasure is wherever it can be found."

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    My reasoning for wondering about George L Hart is specifically his connection to Masonry. As many here know I'm confident the Papers are Masonic in origin but I'm wondering if in fact Hart knew this as well....not that he was involved with their creation (he was only 10 yrs old when it was published), but perhaps upon reading it he saw the Masonic elements of the story that would not be so obvious to non-Masons and felt it his role to breathe new life into what was at the time was a completely forgotten story; updating the public as to the location of Buford's, the connection of Ward etc...saying a lot while not saying anything at all.... The fact is he got a ton of things wrong. As mentioned by so many; there is nothing in the Papers saying the "J" in Beale's name stood for "Jefferson", nor was the Planters Hotel in St. Louis in existence in 1822- so he could not have written the ciphers from there. Why he would add that is plainly odd. The entire seance is also odd.


    Reb- So, George Sr. was a 32 degree Scottish Rite Mason affiliated with the Roanoke Lodge or a member of a DC Lodge? And what was his occupation?

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    Speaking of the seance...the 18 yr old individual hypnotized by Clayton Hart provides a location that the three traveled to and dug at...with Clayton using dynamite later on to blow up a tree under which the boy said the treasure was located. If I follow the clues provided by Hart, it appears they went towards the Peaks of Otter- which is basically NE of Montvale...following Goose Creek Road but then got out on foot and followed the creek up-slope....slowly moving to the NW so that when they got to the top they were at a pass which would lead them to Buchanan over the Blue Ridge. I would take that to mean they were at Bearwallow Gap (highway 43) at what is now the Blue Ridge Parkway. Does that jive with everyone? Its either that gap or Bobblets Gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Enigmatist View Post
    My reasoning for wondering about George L Hart is specifically his connection to Masonry. As many here know I'm confident the Papers are Masonic in origin but I'm wondering if in fact Hart knew this as well....not that he was involved with their creation (he was only 10 yrs old when it was published), but perhaps upon reading it he saw the Masonic elements of the story that would not be so obvious to non-Masons and felt it his role to breathe new life into what was at the time was a completely forgotten story; updating the public as to the location of Buford's, the connection of Ward etc...saying a lot while not saying anything at all.... The fact is he got a ton of things wrong. As mentioned by so many; there is nothing in the Papers saying the "J" in Beale's name stood for "Jefferson", nor was the Planters Hotel in St. Louis in existence in 1822- so he could not have written the ciphers from there. Why he would add that is plainly odd. The entire seance is also odd.


    Reb- So, George Sr. was a 32 degree Scottish Rite Mason affiliated with the Roanoke Lodge or a member of a DC Lodge? And what was his occupation?
    If George, Sr. was living in DC with his son, George, Jr, (the Judge)... COULD have been "made" 32nd "at-sight" at the TEMPLE in DC. Retired...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Enigmatist View Post
    Speaking of the seance...the 18 yr old individual hypnotized by Clayton Hart provides a location that the three traveled to and dug at...with Clayton using dynamite later on to blow up a tree under which the boy said the treasure was located. If I follow the clues provided by Hart, it appears they went towards the Peaks of Otter- which is basically NE of Montvale...following Goose Creek Road but then got out on foot and followed the creek up-slope....slowly moving to the NW so that when they got to the top they were at a pass which would lead them to Buchanan over the Blue Ridge. I would take that to mean they were at Bearwallow Gap (highway 43) at what is now the Blue Ridge Parkway. Does that jive with everyone? Its either that gap or Bobblets Gap.
    VERY close. The "medium" was FIRST use of REMOTE-VIEWING for treasure-hunting in HISTORY!
    NOW!, As to the "Road"... wife & I were on that Road, going to Buchanan, Va. last week; went to Library & Town Office; then on to Lexington, Va. for two nites, 3 days (VMI & John Marshall Foundation Research Library). There is a Road from Montvale that goes to Buchanan (Upper Goose Creek Valley Road...); the land is BEAUTIFUL! We DID take Rt. 43-N on the BRP from Peaks of Otter, and it runs over the UGCVR, at the "curve" of the BRP; far as I know... it is ALL Fed-land.
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    Reb- I'm in China at the moment but I'm missing Ol' Dominion for sure...will have to meet up with you at some point...your description is killin' me...I can just imagine the colors of the trees now.... I'm in agreement with you- where Skyline Dr and Hwy 43 meet IS Bearwallow Gap and basically where the dynamite incident happened. Its the only road which leads to Buchanan from Montvale.

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    That is definitely so....and Cabell's book was highly circulated nationally. I have found copies of it in libraries as far west as Minnesota

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Enigmatist View Post
    Reb- I'm in China at the moment but I'm missing Ol' Dominion for sure...will have to meet up with you at some point...your description is killin' me...I can just imagine the colors of the trees now.... I'm in agreement with you- where Skyline Dr and Hwy 43 meet IS Bearwallow Gap and basically where the dynamite incident happened. Its the only road which leads to Buchanan from Montvale.
    Well, the leaves WERE beautiful... ALL down, now. You are correct about the road... Rt. 43-N intersects Upper Goose Creek Valley Road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Enigmatist View Post
    That is definitely so....and Cabell's book was highly circulated nationally. I have found copies of it in libraries as far west as Minnesota
    FAKE "History" of Lynchburg, Va.! AND! It IS "on-line"...
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    ALL IN THE FAMILY/Part 4-LEWIS & CLARK/THE WAR OF 1812

    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    ...
    Gotta add... Lewis & Clark Expedition... ALL of 'em JB Ward & the Hutters boys (cousins) grew up on, and PROBABLY "play-acted" on grandpa JB Risque's Plantation/Farm, near New London, Va...
    Harriet Kennerly married John Radford,Dec 23,1806 at her uncle George Hancock Kennerly's Fincastle home.In attendence,was William Clark,who was married to Harriet's first cousin,Julia Hancock.
    During the War of 1812,LT George Hancock Kennerly,served along side with Thomas Beale's Sharpshooters,and on July 20,1814,carried the American Flag and the terms of surrender to the British at Praire de Chien.After the war,Kennerly moved back to Fincastle,and with brother James,moved to St Louis to state a merchantile business.
    While hunting with a party of friends in Virginia,John Radford was killed by a wild boar,and the widow,Harriet Kennerly Radford and three children moved to St Louis to stay with her uncles,and be near first cousin,Julia Hancock and her husband,William Clark.
    Julia died,June 27,1820,and Harriet married William Clark,Nov 28,1821.
    Indeed,J B Ward and the Hutter boys heard all the family stories,growing up on Grandfather Risque's plantation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Harriet Kennerly married John Radford,Dec 23,1806 at her uncle George Hancock Kennerly's Fincastle home.In attendence,was William Clark,who was married to Harriet's first cousin,Julia Hancock.
    During the War of 1812,LT George Hancock Kennerly,served along side with Thomas Beale's Sharpshooters,and on July 20,1814,carried the American Flag and the terms of surrender to the British at Praire de Chien.After the war,Kennerly moved back to Fincastle,and with brother James,moved to St Louis to state a merchantile business.
    While hunting with a party of friends in Virginia,John Radford was killed by a wild boar,and the widow,Harriet Kennerly Radford and three children moved to St Louis to stay with her uncles,and be near first cousin,Julia Hancock and her husband,William Clark.
    Julia died,June 27,1820,and Harriet married William Clark,Nov 28,1821.
    Indeed,J B Ward and the Hutter boys heard all the family stories,growing up on Grandfather Risque's plantation.
    YEP!
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    Well, I hope you fellas get it all figured out and eventually find that smoking gun. I'm 100% confident each of you will to your own satisfaction.
    "Treasure is wherever it can be found."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    "Beale" = as a French name, the name means - "Handsome/Beautiful".

    "and I thought him the handsomest man I had ever seen. Altogether, he was a model of manly beauty, favored by the ladies and envied by men....."

    There is no Thomas J. Beale. Some "Thomas Beale" for sure, but no "J". Also, the name Thomas "Jefferson" Beale came from the Hart's, not the story, and they provide no source for "Jefferson" in establishing that name.

    And "Risque" is of French origin. As is "connexion" which is the very thing the unknown author has asked readers to make.
    But there's a real possibility than one of those Thomas Beales that we know existed had a middle name that started with J. We have no proof, but we have to consider it a possibility.

    As far as the spelling of the name Beale...Beal...Beall, etc., old records are full of multiple spellings for the same surname. Exact spellings and even exact dates are not always accurate, or consistent in old record.

 

 
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