WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

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...and I bet that you and/or Laf can not produce one single piece of evidence that anything in the Beale story text ever happened.
 

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You are way out there on this one. What a JOKE!!!!!!!!!
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You may want to inform Legrand about this, who is basing his theory on E F Beale's 1850 Beale Papers.
PS, I do find your and Laf's lack of knowledge on this subject quite amusing, that is the real joke here.
PSS, We are all laughing with you!
 

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This is a prime example of making random facts fit ones theory.
Do you have any evidence to show that Carlos de Grandpre provided maps to his son in law, Thomas Beale, of New Orleans, or is it just fanciful speculation on your part to fit your theory?
An "expedition" the size mentioned in the Beale Papers, would have been noticed and talked about, either by those who provisioned the group, or by those who noticed Beale was not around to run his plantation, or hotel.
You realize, that Celeste Boucher de Grandpre Beale kept a diary- guess what is obvious by its omission.
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Manny fictitious items seem to make up this whole faerie tale you have told here .
 

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Gen. Edward F. Beale's G, G, G, Great Grand Father was Thomas Beale 111 Who was Captain Thomas J Beale Sr's G, Great Grand Father .

Small world eh ?
 

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Gen. Edward F. Beale His Diary


Edward Fitzgerald Beale diary and journal, 1853-1859. (Archival material, 1853) [WorldCat.org]



Diary, July 1-16, 1853, while pausing in Colorado on overland journey to California.

Journal, Oct. 28, 1858-July 29, 1859, while engaged in second season's work on the Pacific Wagon Road along the 35th Parallel, from Fort Smith to the Colorado River and back to Albuquerque.
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Beale Wagon Road NOW known as Rt. 66, I think... WESTWARD HO!
 

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Jean Laf said:
Gen. Edward F. Beale's G, G, G, Great Grand Father was Thomas Beale 111 Who was Captain Thomas J Beale Sr's G, Great Grand Father .

Small world eh ?
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A "small world" with your slip shod method of research with the only goal of making any Beale fit your theory.
The real genealogy of Edward Fitzgerald Beale:
http://www.geni.com/people/Gen-Edward-F-Beale/6000000006598437107
Make note that his father was George Dixon Beale, an 1812 Naval war hero, and his grandfather was GEORGE BEALE III.
 

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Jean Laf said:
OOP's, your proof is a bad link like all the others . :laughing7:
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John Beale's Brother was Captain Thomas J Beale's Grand Father Taverner Beale Sr who's son was Col Taverner Beale Jr who's son was Captain Thomas J Beale .
john beale.JPG george beale sr.JPG george beale iii.JPG


See for yourself on the site you chose .

http://www.geni.com/people/John-Beale/6000000002339176482
 

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Thomas Beale (1773 - d.) - Genealogy

His Father Col T beale
Taverner Beale (1742 - 1810) - Genealogy

His Father T beale Sr
Taverner Beale, Sr (1713 - c.1756) - Genealogy

Brother of John Beale

John Beale (c.1709 - c.1767) - Genealogy

His Son George Beale Sr
George Beale, Sr., (b. - 1758) - Genealogy

His Son George Beale III
George Beale, III (1763 - 1821) - Genealogy

His Son George Dixon Beale
George Dixon Beale (1792 - 1835) - Genealogy

His Son Gen. Edward F. Beale
Edward Fitzgerald Beale (1822 - 1893) - Genealogy
 

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Thomas Beale (1773 - d.) - Genealogy

His Father Col T beale
Taverner Beale (1742 - 1810) - Genealogy

His Father T beale Sr
Taverner Beale, Sr (1713 - c.1756) - Genealogy

Brother of John Beale

John Beale (c.1709 - c.1767) - Genealogy

His Son George Beale Sr
George Beale, Sr., (b. - 1758) - Genealogy

His Son George Beale III
George Beale, III (1763 - 1821) - Genealogy

His Son George Dixon Beale
George Dixon Beale (1792 - 1835) - Genealogy

His Son Gen. Edward F. Beale
Edward Fitzgerald Beale (1822 - 1893) - Genealogy
 

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And all of this simply establishes that there is no "J" in your suspect's name and that he wasn't Captain Thomas J. Beall. Point is, all of this has been dished out and debated many times over the years with nothing conclusive ever coming of it. No doubt it won't be the last time either. Now toss in all of the usual "time of death" debating that still continues today and everyone is right back to square one, just as always. :thumbsup:

It might also be worth mentioning that a lot of these genealogical sources/results aren't bulletproof.
 

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(It might also be worth mentioning that a lot of these genealogical sources/results aren't bulletproof. )

Yep, that is true . Bad info is just Bad info and then there is the people that just make stuff up, like fake diaries .
 

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And all of this simply establishes that there is no "J" in your suspect's name and that he wasn't Captain Thomas J. Beall. Point is, all of this has been dished out and debated many times over the years with nothing conclusive ever coming of it. No doubt it won't be the last time either. Now toss in all of the usual "time of death" debating that still continues today and everyone is right back to square one, just as always. :thumbsup:

It might also be worth mentioning that a lot of these genealogical sources/results aren't bulletproof.
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All of this information has been around a long time and has been corrected over time most from ancestry.com.
 

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Jean Laf said:
... Bad info is just Bad info and then there is the people that just make stuff up, like fake diaries .
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Yes, just like the 1885 Beale Papers.
Instead of searching genealogy sites about Beale, we all know this information, find solid documentation confirming the buffalo hunt expedition, or that Thomas Beale actually knew Robert Morriss.
That evidence is critical to proving that anything in the job pamphlet is real.
 

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