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    WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

    Edward Fitzgerald Beale(1822-1893) was a frontiersman who published his journals in 1850-"The Beale Papers",which are available from the LIBRARY of Congress.
    The similarities between E F Beale's papers and Ward's pamphlet are hard to dismiss-here are just a few.
    E F BEALE -1850 ----- ------- ----T J BEALE-1885 Ward's pamphlet
    Started expedition in St Louis --- --- Left St Louis
    Expedition had 30 men--- --- Expedition had 30 men
    Went to Santa Fe --- --- Went to Santa Fe
    Traveled in Colorado--- ---Found gold and silver in Colorado
    Born in 1822 --- ---Letters to Morriss dated 1822,Ward born 1822
    Published journal as "THE BEALE PAPERS"--- ---Ward pamphlet "THE BEALE PAPERS"
    E F called "justley a lion" --- --- T J called "the Lion"
    One journey listed as 1817 miles--- --- Started journey in 1817
    Gold was NOT found by E F --- ---One of T J's men found the gold
    Recieved $13,000 for an adventure--- --- Exchanged silver for $13,000 for transportation
    Similar words and terms used in both "BEALE PAPERS"
    EXACT LOCALITY
    STAMPEDE
    ABUNDANCE OF GAME
    ACCESSION TO OUR NUMBERS
    BUFFALOES
    GRIZZLY BEARS
    There are many others.
    So the question arises-Happenstance,Coincidence,or Deliberate Plaglarism on the part of Ward to sell a concocted treasure story with one solved cipher solved,the other two unsolvable?
    Or is the story a PERSHER CODE relating to a KGC treasure vault?
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    Possible. But a KGC connection is extremely unlikely and no real evidence to suggest otherwise. Ward could have plagiarized a bit, crafted the tale around existing materials, but then there is no real evidence that Ward was the author. "A lot" of evidence pointing to a simple factional published for profit and the entire lack of evidence to the opposite only serves to add further support to the factional for profit theory. When we look at the actual evidence and the absence of opposing evidence to the contrary it certainly makes the factional for profit theory the strongest possibility.
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    I have to say it is very sad when (scam) is started for profit so they find a different kind of :gold: "treasure" has That type of manner, nice to have members that has that extra smarts warning others: Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6dayold View Post
    I have to say it is very sad when (scam) is started for profit so they find a different kind of :gold: "treasure" has That type of manner, nice to have members that has that extra smarts warning others: Thanks
    Well, here's the thing... PERSHER CODE could have been used; don't think it was a SCAM. I DO have a copy of a NUMBERS cipher utilized by Robert MORRIS (Financier) to George Washington; VERY similar to Ciphers in 1885 BC#1-3; MORRIS to
    WASHINGTON, Aug. 22, 1781; from George Washington Papers (LOC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6dayold View Post
    I have to say it is very sad when (scam) is started for profit so they find a different kind of :gold: "treasure" has That type of manner, nice to have members that has that extra smarts warning others: Thanks
    I never said "scam" or that "it was" just a factional, only that we can't prove it to be anything other with the current evidence at hand.
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    E F Beale also knew Kit Carson,a subject of many of the western dime novels popular during the 1880's.
    Is Ward's pamphlet just a western dime novel with a lost treasure story added to boost the selling price to 50 cents?
    It contains all the adventures of the west that easterners loved to read about during that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Well, here's the thing... PERSHER CODE could have used; don't think it was a SCAM. I DO have a copy of a NUMBERS cipher utilized by Robert MORRIS (Financier) to George Washington; VERY similar to Ciphers in 1885 BC#1-3; MORRIS to
    WASHINGTON, Aug. 22, 1781; from George Washington Papers (LOC).
    MORRIS/Washington must have utilized a dictionary/"code book". Words are broken up into numbers; MUST be in the George Washington Papers in the Library of Congress. The words...
    "Sorry to inform you that I find money matters in bad a situation as possible. The exchange by the concourse of.... has run down to five shillings..."; ALL on $$$$$$$$$$ matters for the War of Independence. THIS letter was signed by George Washington AND Robert MORRIS... FANCY penmanship!
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    It's all about the "ifs", they're whatever we want to make them out to be. When we look at the story it leaves the door open to an unlimited amount of speculation in regards to an unlimited amount of possible connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    It's all about the "ifs", they're whatever we want to make them out to be. When we look at the story it leaves the door open to an unlimited amount of speculation in regards to an unlimited amount of possible connections.
    NOTHING "If" about MORRIS/Washington Ciphers... in the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS!

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    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COINCIDENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    It's all about the "ifs", they're whatever we want to make them out to be. When we look at the story it leaves the door open to an unlimited amount of speculation in regards to an unlimited amount of possible connections.
    Don't sidestep the obvious-someone,be it Morriss,his wife,Ward,or the friendly tavern owner-had access to E F Beale's 1850 journal,and USED that journal as the basis for the T J Beale story.
    The coincidences are TOO many to ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Don't sidestep the obvious-someone,be it Morriss,his wife,Ward,or the friendly tavern owner-had access to E F Beale's 1850 journal,and USED that journal as the basis for the T J Beale story.
    The coincidences are TOO many to ignore.
    INTERESTING, indeed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Don't sidestep the obvious-someone,be it Morriss,his wife,Ward,or the friendly tavern owner-had access to E F Beale's 1850 journal,and USED that journal as the basis for the T J Beale story.
    The coincidences are TOO many to ignore.
    Again, wouldn't have needed a copy. By 1880 E. F. Beales exploits of 1850 were common knowledge. After the Adams Onis Treaty of 1821 there wasn't a whole lot that went on in the territory that didn't become news/common knowledge. Western expansion was one of the hottest and most focused on topics in the country after the treaty. By 1880 thousands of people had traveled west through the territory. Stories of gold and fortune and various exploits abounded everywhere back east by the 1880's. Railway routes were even being considered and planned. By the 1880's the floodgates to the west had long been wide open.
    Last edited by bigscoop; Mar 31, 2013 at 11:15 PM.
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    DYK...? That when E.F. Beale took his US CAMEL CORPS across Arizona, he did so under the "order" of Jefferson Davis (Later to be CSA PREZ), when Jeff Davis was US Sec. of War or something...? There is even a MAP of the US CAMEL CORPS route "on-line"... Jeff Davis thought it was a GREAT idea! This was before the CONFEDERATE WAR...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    DYK...? That when E.F. Beale took his US CAMEL CORPS across Arizona, he did so under the "order" of Jefferson Davis (Later to be CSA PREZ), when Jeff Davis was US Sec. of War or something...? There is even a MAP of the US CAMEL CORPS route "on-line"... Jeff Davis thought it was a GREAT idea! This was before the CONFEDERATE WAR...
    Davis had nothing to do with it, he is simply given credit as having suggested it some years prior. The Camel road began in the 1850's and it is something that had been considered and evaluated by those above Davis for quite some time, which is also where the eventual go-ahead came from. Davis had no direct authority in deciding the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    Davis had nothing to do with it, he is simply given credit as having suggested it some years prior. The Camel road began in the 1850's and it is something that had been considered and evaluated by those above Davis for quite some time, which is also where the eventual go-ahead came from. Davis had no direct authority in deciding the matter.
    LOL! YER just being "contrary"... ALL my R & I indicate that Jeff Davis, as US Secretary of War WAS the "BIG SOURCE"; "google" US CAMEL CORPS or www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Camel_Corps

 

 
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