What is seen, but seldom realized by those who claim solution.

[Rebel - KGC]

Right, so the statements are authentic VS saying the treasure is authentic. Look, it's misleading, perhaps, but the only thing the author has committed to is in claiming that the statements are authentic, not necessarily the treasure. If the cover had read, "containing statements of an authentic treasure buried..." then the author is committing to the treasure itself being real, or fact. But he never made the claim that the treasure was real, only that the statements were authentic. Just a curious sidebar.

INDEED! GOOD POINTS!

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

Where ECS and I differ is that I see no reason to suspect Hutter since his name is never associated with the pamphlet, I just don't think including him offers anymore credible evidence or strength to the already strong Sherman theory.

But, and getting back to the pamphlet and the ciphers, the evidence strongly suggest that everything was drafted/arranged by the same individual and that they were very well acquainted with educated writing skills.

MAYBE... a GROUP of PEOPLE! With CSA PAYMASTER, Maj. Ferdinand C. Hutter as "HEAD" of (and "THE AUTHOR" of Beale PAPERS)! Check out THE BEALE TREASURE: New History of a Mystery by Peter Viemeister; Chapt. 20, pg 157-163.
HIDDEN TALENT; "Ferdinand C. Hutter was nine years older than cousin James (B.) Ward.... with his (FCH) background and circumstances, he could have had ample opportunity to receive the papers from Morriss, and then later "write" the PAMPHLET (Beale PAPERS)"; (p 158). AND! "Google" BEALE TREASURE STORY: Ferdinand C. Hutter, Anonymous Author of Ward's Pamphlet.

 

[ECS]

...
HIDDEN TALENT; "Ferdinand C. Hutter was nine years older than cousin James (B.) Ward.... with his (FCH) background and circumstances, he could have had ample opportunity to receive the papers from Morriss, and then later "write" the PAMPHLET (Beale PAPERS)"...

..."in the 2nd year of the Confederate War"there is a reason for this reference to be included in Beale 1885.

 

[ECS]

C2, as it is often referred to in cryptography circles, was obviously penned by an intelligent, well-educated individual. The use of the English language is grammatically correct, the flow is crisp and clear and straight to the point, “punctuation” is properly used.
First, one has to understand that punctuation was not included in the cipher, this having been installed by the decoder of the cipher, thus the actual clear text has been altered by the unknown author. So clearly, the presented solution is an altered solution. The same can be said when the solution has been separated into paragraphs. This then, brings into play the very real possibility that the clear text for C2 was a fabrication. Perhaps, perhaps not, but it does suggest the possibility that the author of the solution and the author of the pamphlet were one in the same. Punctuation often determines how writings are to be presented and perceived so whoever drafted the pamphlet copy of the clear text for C2 was very conscious of this fact when drafting the presentation for public display. Second, because the creator of the cipher was an intelligent, well-educated individual, it is a ridiculous notion that we might expect anything less in the clear text of the remaining two ciphers, if in fact they hold solutions at all. In sticking with the established provenance within the C2 clear test we know that the anticipated clear test for C1 & C3 will be just as fluid, clear & precise, and straight to the point in an equally grammatically correct presentation. To accept anything less is just an illusion in spite of what has already been established by the author of the codes/ciphers...

So with the provenance that has already been established in the presented solution for C2 there also comes a lot to be considered when attempting to arrive solutions for C1 & C3.

Consider this quote from Edgar Allen Poe concerning codes and ciphers:
"Quite an easy thing to invent a method of secret writing which shall baffle investigation.Yet it may be roundly asserted that human ingenuity cannot concoct a cipher which human ingenuity cannot resolve".
The DOI solved C2 may have been included as an inducement of belief that the treasure really existed in the hope of boosting sales of the job pamphlet, while C1 & C3 are just a group of random numbers with NO message to reveal, making them undecipherable - which been the case since 1885.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

..."in the 2nd year of the Confederate War"there is a reason for this reference to be included in Beale 1885.

DO TELL!

 

[ECS]

The only actual historical event mentioned in Beale 1885 and can be verified, is the 2nd year of the Confederate War. What occurred in Bedford county during that year?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The only actual historical event mentioned in Beale 1885 and can be verified, is the 2nd year of the Confederate War. What occurred in Bedford county during that year?

What year IS the "2nd year of the CONFEDERATE WAR"...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

MAYBE... a GROUP of PEOPLE! With CSA PAYMASTER, Maj. Ferdinand C. Hutter as "HEAD" of (and "THE AUTHOR" of Beale PAPERS)! Check out THE BEALE TREASURE: New History of a Mystery by Peter Viemeister; Chapt. 20, pg 157-163.
HIDDEN TALENT; "Ferdinand C. Hutter was nine years older than cousin James (B.) Ward.... with his (FCH) background and circumstances, he could have had ample opportunity to receive the papers from Morriss, and then later "write" the PAMPHLET (Beale PAPERS)"; (p 158). AND! "Google" BEALE TREASURE STORY: Ferdinand C. Hutter, Anonymous Author of Ward's Pamphlet.

"Strong Sherman theory"...? "Google" Page 30: Beale Ciphers Analyses; "An EXPERIENCED researcher with extensive Beale knowledge spent a day searching (Library of Virginia Archives Research Services), and found NOTHING linking Sherman to THE BEALE PAPERS...".

 

[releventchair]

What year IS the "2nd year of the CONFEDERATE WAR"...?

What?, hmmm should be easier.
Fort Sumter 4:30 A.M. April 12, 1861 begins the clock? That would make a date the 12th at 4:30 A.M. or later the following year the second year, because 1861 was the first....
1862 should be second year. ?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

What?, hmmm should be easier.
Fort Sumter 4:30 A.M. April 12, 1861 begins the clock? That would make a date the 12th at 4:30 A.M. or later the following year the second year, because 1861 was the first....
1862 should be second year. ?

THAT is why I asked... 1862; '61-'62 FIRST full year... '62-'63 is SECOND full year; 1863...?

 

[ECS]

"I have deposited, in the county of Bedford, about four miles from Buford's, in an excavation or vault, six feet below the surface of the ground, the following articles, belonging jointly to the parties whose names are given in number "3," herewith:


The first deposit consisted of one thousand and fourteen pounds of gold, and three thousand eight hundred and twelve pounds of silver, deposited November, 1819. The second was made December, 1821, and consisted of nineteen hundred and seven pounds of gold, and twelve hundred and eighty-eight pounds of silver; also jewels, obtained in St. Louis in exchange for silver to save transportation, and valued at $13,000.

The above is securely packed in iron pots, with iron covers. The vault is roughly lined with stone, and the vessels rest on solid stone, and are covered with others. Paper number "1" describes the exact locality of the vault, so that no difficulty will be had in finding it."

We've all seen it and read it, countless times, but what do you really see when you read it? There's more information here then meets the eye, a few tell-tells that need to be recognized but seldom are by those who claim solution to the remaining ciphers.

Notice the provided dates, November 1819 & December 1823, each a specific month and year, but the unknown author's meeting with Morriss is given as the "2nd year of the Confederate War", no month and not a specific year, could be 1862 or 1863. Why?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Notice the provided dates, November 1819 & December 1823, each a specific month and year, but the unknown author's meeting with Morriss is given as the "2nd year of the Confederate War", no month and not a specific year, could be 1862 or 1863. Why?

MAYBE, A "death-bed confession" of RM in 1863; "he" was no longer "germane" to the REAL story of the CONFEDERATE WAR... sorta like an actor/actress being "killed off" in a TV show; as Paul Harvey once said... something like; "NOW! For the REST of the story"... dunno.

 

[ECS]

...or what if Confederate War is a direction to utilize the Vigenere Tableau, a cipher used by the CSA and was well known to Confederate officers. All one needed was the key words to decipher.
What key word would be known to Lynchberg CSA veterans in 1885?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

...or what if Confederate War is a direction to utilize the Vigenere Tableau, a cipher used by the CSA and was well known to Confederate officers. All one needed was the key words to decipher.
What key word would be known to Lynchberg CSA veterans in 1885?

Used during THE WAR was "COME RETRIBUTION", "COMPLETE VICTORY", "MANCHESTER BLUFF", & "BALTIMORE"; I would check "BALTIMORE" on the "Vig"...

"BALTIMORE"; Baltimore, Md., site of COPPERHEADS, PEACE DEMOCRATS, KGC Castle, 1865 or so... PRO-STATE RIGHTS YANKS!

 

[ECS]

...or Stonewall Jackson, killed in 1863-the 2nd year of the Confederate War?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

...or Stonewall Jackson, killed in 1863-the 2nd year of the Confederate War?

THAT, too. Train from Richmond, Va. COULD have had some $$$$$$$$$$$ for REBEL troops, along with Stonewall's body. BOTH put on Packet Boat in Lynchburg, Va. & sent up-river to Lexington, Va. & VMI... "abandoned" LOCKS could have been utilized to hide CSA "assets"... SOME even looked like CAVES! "Google" THE CANAL ON THE JAMES by T. Gibson Hobbs, Jr.; GREAT "pics" & illustrations! We had a canal passing under the 9th Street Bridge, where Stonewall's body was transferred from the train, to the Packet Boat, The MARSHALL. The MARSHALL Tunnel (never completed) is of GREAT "interest"... "Mason Marks" abound!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

MORE R & I on the MARSHALL Tunnel (James River & Kanawha Canal); "above" (North) of Buchanan, Va., (close to Natural Bridge); unfinished with LOTS of "cave-in" holes... "pics" are AWESOME! Unexplored... NOT mapped; ppl ARE "looking into it".

 

[ECS]

The only actual historical event mentioned in Beale 1885 and can be verified, is the 2nd year of the Confederate War. What occurred in Bedford county during that year?

Lucy Mina Otey, wife of CSA Capt John M Otey, organized the City Hotel of Lynchberg as a hospital for the wounded, and during 1862-1863 there was a severe smallpox epidemic and many patients and citizens died.
1863, Col J Risqué Hutter, brother of CSA Major E S Hutter and CSA Capt F C Hutter, was part of Picket's Charge at Gettysberg where he was wounded and captured, then shipped to Johnson Island Union prison in Ohio.
During the Battle of Lynchberg, June 17-18, 1864, the Hutter family home, Sandusky, was occupied by Union Gen David "Black Dave" Hunter, before leaving in defeat, let his troops loot the Hutter possessions at Sandusky.
The Hutters and Oteys are related to the Risqué bloodline , as well as Ward and a distant cousin, Sherman.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Lucy Mina Otey, wife of CSA Capt John M Otey, organized the City Hotel of Lynchberg as a hospital for the wounded, and during 1862-1863 there was a severe smallpox epidemic and many patients and citizens died.
1863, Col J Risqué Hutter, brother of CSA Major E S Hutter and CSA Capt F C Hutter, was part of Picket's Charge at Gettysberg where he was wounded and captured, then shipped to Johnson Island Union prison in Ohio.
During the Battle of Lynchberg, June 17-18, 1864, the Hutter family home, Sandusky, was occupied by Union Gen David "Black Dave" Hunter, before leaving in defeat, let his troops loot the Hutter possessions at Sandusky.
The Hutters and Oteys are related to the Risqué bloodline , as well as Ward and a distant cousin, Sherman.

Sandusky wasn't looted; both Hunter & Hutter were grads of West Point & Vets - US Army... "Black Dave" was "civil" to Hutter. ONLY "good" thing about the Battle of Lynchburg, Va.

 

[ECS]

While that is true, I read an account where several small items were taken by Hunter's men without Hunter's knowledge.