More SELF-DUPER or the actual truth and purpose behind the tale?

[bigscoop]

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times] It seems that everyone is trying to decode the Beale ciphers these days, but alas, and as will be displayed and explained here, by the author's own admissions and presentation this just isn't possible. But first let me present two of the most important paragraphs in the Beale Pamphlet, these being near the front of the text as the author is explaining his dilemma and his reasons for publishing his story. For you true believers there may rest vital information in your pursuit of the alleged missing treasure. And, in these two paragraphs you might also discover why the two remaining ciphers in the pamphlet have been altered beyond possible solution. Keep in mind that the two presented paragraphs are exact copies of the unknown author's own words used in his tale. Now then, read these two paragraphs very-very carefully.[/FONT]



“[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]Until the writer lost all hope of ultimate success, he toiled faithfully at his work; unlike any other pursuit with practical and natural results, a charm attended it, independent of the ultimate benefit he expected, and the possibility of success lent an interest and excitement to the work not to be resisted. It would be difficult to portray the delight he experienced when accident revealed to him the explanation of the paper marked "2." Unmeaning, as this had hitherto been, it was now fully explained, and no difficulty was apprehended in mastering the others; but this accident, affording so much pleasure at the time, was a most unfortunate one for him, as it induced him to neglect family, friends, and all legitimate pursuits for what has proved, so far, the veriest illusion.” [/FONT]


“[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]It will be seen by a perusal of Mr. Beale's letter to Mr. Morriss that he promised, under certain contingencies, such as failure to see or communicate with him in a given time, to furnishing a key by which the papers would be fully explained. As the failure to do either actually occurred, and the promised explanation has never been received, it may possibly remain in the hands of some relative or friend of Beale's, or some other person engaged in the enterprise with him. That they would attach no importance to a seemingly unintelligible writing seems quite natural; but their attention being called to them by the publication of this narrative, may result in eventually bringing to light the missing paper.” [/FONT]



[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times] Your unknown author was an intelligent man with excellent writing skills. Don't “assume” what he is telling you, instead, take to heart what he has clearly written and explained.[/FONT]

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

It seems that everyone is trying to decode the Beale ciphers these days, but alas, and as will be displayed and explained here, by the author's own admissions and presentation this just isn't possible. But first let me present two of the most important paragraphs in the Beale Pamphlet, these being near the front of the text as the author is explaining his dilemma and his reasons for publishing his story. For you true believers there may rest vital information in your pursuit of the alleged missing treasure. And, in these two paragraphs you might also discover why the two remaining ciphers in the pamphlet have been altered beyond possible solution. Keep in mind that the two presented paragraphs are exact copies of the unknown author's own words used in his tale. Now then, read these two paragraphs very-very carefully.



“Until the writer lost all hope of ultimate success, he toiled faithfully at his work; unlike any other pursuit with practical and natural results, a charm attended it, independent of the ultimate benefit he expected, and the possibility of success lent an interest and excitement to the work not to be resisted. It would be difficult to portray the delight he experienced when accident revealed to him the explanation of the paper marked "2." Unmeaning, as this had hitherto been, it was now fully explained, and no difficulty was apprehended in mastering the others; but this accident, affording so much pleasure at the time, was a most unfortunate one for him, as it induced him to neglect family, friends, and all legitimate pursuits for what has proved, so far, the veriest illusion.”


“It will be seen by a perusal of Mr. Beale's letter to Mr. Morriss that he promised, under certain contingencies, such as failure to see or communicate with him in a given time, to furnishing a key by which the papers would be fully explained. As the failure to do either actually occurred, and the promised explanation has never been received, it may possibly remain in the hands of some relative or friend of Beale's, or some other person engaged in the enterprise with him. That they would attach no importance to a seemingly unintelligible writing seems quite natural; but their attention being called to them by the publication of this narrative, may result in eventually bringing to light the missing paper.”



Your unknown author was an intelligent man with excellent writing skills. Don't “assume” what he is telling you, instead, take to heart what he has clearly written and explained.

And...?

 

[TailGunner]

My interpretation of the two paragraphs is that Mr. Morriss, by chance and lots of trial and error, found a solution to #2 and anticipated a quick and easy solution to the other two pages. The joy faded as he found the technique did not apply to the other two pages. In the end, he lost his will to continue and had the job pamphlet published and distributed in an area where he expected the local people to have personal interest & enthusiasm along with particular knowledge to continue the decoding where he had failed. Just maybe some relative received a letter from an adventuring uncle with cryptic messages and this pamphlet would jog their memory and allow them to continue where he hand failed.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[bigscoop]

“[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]It would be difficult to portray the delight he experienced when accident revealed to him the explanation of the paper marked "2." Unmeaning, as this had hitherto been, it was now fully explained, and no difficulty was apprehended in mastering the others.....” What others? [/FONT]



[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times] In the above statement our unknown author has told us that A) he was able to fully understand the clear text of C2, and, B) that after this decoding of C2 that he was also able to master the others. This is in his own words, not mine. So if not the other two ciphers, then what others is he referring to? [/FONT]

 

[bigscoop]

BS, You are missing the point of the author's statement. He said he thought there would be no problem in mastering the other ciphers but he said it proved him wrong to the contrary and he was reduced to pennyerly.

Franklin, the aithor has presented the following three part statement;

“It would be difficult to portray the delight he experienced when accident revealed to him the explanation of the paper marked "2."
This accident allowed him to gather the explanation, or clear text for C2.
Unmeaning, as this had hitherto been, it was now fully explained,
Prior to his accidental discovery C2 had held no meaning to him but now it was fully explained.
and no difficulty was apprehended in mastering the others.....”
After his discovery of the explanation of C2 he had no difficulty in mastering the others.

This is also consistent with, and further supported by, the authors deception about his numbering of the ciphers and his alleged claim of arranging them in correct order prior to his decoding of C2, which we know wasn't the case.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Franklin, the aithor has presented the following three part statement;

“It would be difficult to portray the delight he experienced when accident revealed to him the explanation of the paper marked "2."
This accident allowed him to gather the explanation, or clear text for C2.
Unmeaning, as this had hitherto been, it was now fully explained,
Prior to his accidental discovery C2 had held no meaning to him but now it was fully explained.
and no difficulty was apprehended in mastering the others.....”
After his discovery of the explanation of C2 he had no difficulty in mastering the others.

This is also consistent with, and further supported by, the authors deception about his numbering of the ciphers and his alleged claim of arranging them in correct order prior to his decoding of C2, which we know wasn't the case.

MY "take" on Beale Cipher # 2... a FAKE! D.O.I. DOESN'T really "fit"! The "decoded" message ALREADY... WAS! YET! I think the statement, in the pamphlet, the Beale PAPERS... "I have deposited, in the county of Bedford, about four miles from Buford's, in an excavation or vault. six feet below the surface of the ground, the following articles, belonging jointly to the parties whose names are given in number "3", herewith:... etc., etc., etc." pg 20-21 of a COPY of the ORIGINAL Beale PAPERS, provided by PV, in his book, The Beale Treasure: NEW History of a Mystery (pg 41-42). NOW! Is THIS statement in CSA Code...? Are we to decode THIS statement...? Are the words "I have deposited" the "KEY", as used by Thomas Jefferson...? (Artichoke) to Lewis & Clark in the Corp(s) of Discovery...? Is the "decoded" REALLY from the "2nd Year of the CONFEDERATE WAR"... FIRST "deposit" @ 1863; FINAL "deposit", 1865. INQUIRING minds wanna KNOW!

 

[bigscoop]

The question has often been asked, "Why was the Beale pamphlet only offered/distributed in the Lynchburg region?" Well, if you already knew what you were looking for and who might likely possess that vital piece to the puzzle....

“[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]....it may possibly remain in the hands of some relative or friend of Beale's, or some other person engaged in the enterprise with him. That they would attach no importance to a seemingly unintelligible writing seems quite natural; but their attention being called to them by the publication of this narrative, may result in eventually bringing to light the missing paper.” [/FONT]

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The question has often been asked, "Why was the Beale pamphlet only offered/distributed in the Lynchburg region?" Well, if you already knew what you were looking for and who might likely possess that vital piece to the puzzle....

“....it may possibly remain in the hands of some relative or friend of Beale's, or some other person engaged in the enterprise with him. That they would attach no importance to a seemingly unintelligible writing seems quite natural; but their attention being called to them by the publication of this narrative, may result in eventually bringing to light the missing paper.”

TRUE! Lynchburg, Va. was the LAST state capital of the STATE (of Virginia), during the CONFEDERATE WAR; certain ppl WERE looking for "Beale Treasure" here in Lynchburg, Va. (aka VIRGINIA "portion" of CSA TREASURY); There is even a PLAQUE in Old City Cemetery here on 5th Street, indicating such. I think THAT it is the "Richmond Stores" ($$$$$$$$) from banks in Richmond, Va. "fit" for a STATE CAPITAL. REST of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ + are "points WEST of Lynchburg, Va. (per Gen Robert E. Lee to CSA Prez Jeff Davis; OR).

 

[bigscoop]

TRUE! Lynchburg, Va. was the LAST state capital of the STATE (of Virginia), during the CONFEDERATE WAR; certain ppl WERE looking for "Beale Treasure" here in Lynchburg, Va. (aka VIRGINIA "portion" of CSA TREASURY); There is even a PLAQUE in Old City Cemetery here on 5th Street, indicating such. I think THAT it is the "Richmond Stores" ($$$$$$$$) from banks in Richmond, Va. "fit" for a STATE CAPITAL. REST of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ + are "points WEST of Lynchburg, Va. (per Gen Robert E. Lee to CSA Prez Jeff Davis; OR).

Well, forgetting all of the other clutter and just focusing on the author's possible alternate motives, it is possible that the sale of the pamphlet was limited to just one small region for a reason.

 

[bigscoop]

KGC, CSA, French Exiles, the Freemasons, the treasure itself, etc., etc., etc.,....all of this is just unsupported clutter that will only continue to lead us astray when trying to establish if there is any measure of truth behind the tale, which in my mind, must be established first. Otherwise we'd all be just chasing rainbows and leprechauns.

On the other hand, the more we can learn about the story and it's unknown author the more were learn concerning all of the elements in the story and the possible true purpose behind the tale. For instance, today we know that the author maintained a certain amount of pre-designed deception in his arranging of the story. We know he lied about his numbering of the ciphers and that he had prior knowledge of the clear text in C2 when he numbered the ciphers. We know this for a fact simply through his own error in his presentation of these details. So what else might he have lied about in the story? Is the entire story a lie or are only portions of the story a lie? So why even bother with all of the other clutter until we can be certain that there is more clutter? So far there's absolutely no reason to believe in much of anything this unknown author has written.

 

[ECS]

... the more we can learn about the story and it's unknown author the more were learn concerning all of the elements in the story and the possible true purpose behind the tale. For instance, today we know that the author maintained a certain amount of pre-designed deception in his arranging of the story. We know he lied about his numbering of the ciphers and that he had prior knowledge of the clear text in C2 when he numbered the ciphers. We know this for a fact simply through his own error in his presentation of these details. So what else might he have lied about in the story? Is the entire story a lie or are only portions of the story a lie? So why even bother with all of the other clutter until we can be certain that there is more clutter? So far there's absolutely no reason to believe in much of anything this unknown author has written.

The obvious conclusion is that it is a western adventure treasure dime novel with the ciphers added as a parlor entertainment, a drawing room pastime popular during the time the Beale Papers were published.

 

[bigscoop]

I see no need of calling the author of the Job Print Pamphlet a liar. Just like calling a member on treasurenet a liar. It should not be allowed with proof. Do you have any proof at all? No only your thoughts on the matter.

Correction, and this is even something you have agreed to yourself when you agreed that the unknown author utilized deception in the telling of his story. An intentional deceiver is a liar. Period. He has committed to telling you something authentic and then has proceeded, instead, to intentionally tell you something that isn't accurate or true. We know he did this with his alleged numbering of the ciphers and we have proven this, and in his own words. This he has done again after claiming he would tell his readers all that he knows and then makes no more mention of the unintelligible missing paper that he most certainly has more knowledge of. And there are also other such cases where he has either altered the details or intentionally omitted them. So deceiver or liar, take you pick. One, perhaps, just sounds nicer then the other. But make no mistake, there is more then enough proof that he has deceived and/or lied to his readers. He promised to tell an authentic story and he didn't. You call it what you will.

 

[bigscoop]

Franklin, answer this then.....

If your author already possesses the three ciphers, the letters, and by accident he was able to discover the key, then what is this other unintelligible missing paper that he obviously has knowledge of but fails to elaborate on? Heck, he even goes as far as to explain that his hope is that his publishing of the story will draw someone's attention to this missing intelligible paper. So if he has told you everything, as promised, then where else in the story does he explain or reference this other missing paper? And how does he know that this missing paper is unintelligible? By his own admission he obviously has knowledge of it. Yes?

So......Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

 

[bigscoop]

The unintelligable missing paper was the "KEY". To someone not in the know it would be unintelligable. Sorry if you can not see this. Also the author is only putting down second hand information and then it goes to a third hand the publisher. Well you can see how mistakes are made.

Rethink what you just said, about the unintelligible missing paper being the key. He already has the DOI, he's already presented this DOI/key to his readers, and, the DOI isn't unintelligible, in fact it's quite the opposite. So, again, what unintelligible missing paper is he talking about and how does he have knowledge of it? There's no dancing around this duper, it's right there in plain black and white, in the author's own words, and clearly referenced.

And if you're referring to the alleged key that was never delivered to him, well then, how does the author know that this key, which he has supposedly never seen, is an unintelligible paper? Letters, documents, books, etc., etc., etc.,....these things are intelligible. Unintelligible would be in reference to some writing that has no recognizable order or content, much like a cipher without a key. So how does the author possess this knowledge about this missing paper? Only one way he could know this.