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    The BCA has enjoyed several important successes over the years. In 1975, one of its members, by contacting the Library of Congress, was able to obtain copies of the copyright papers filed by James Ward in 1885. Prior to this, the Hart manuscript contained the only solid evidence that there had ever been a Ward pamphlet, and many were skeptical that it had ever existed. However, the existence of the copyright papers spurred interest in the pamphlet itself and in 1979 a copy was finally located among the personal papers of William F. Friedman at the George C. Marshall Research Foundation, in Lexington, Virginia.
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    Copyright only authenticates the original source of the materials. PERIOD! Check with an attorney before you assume that copyright authenticates the accuracy of the material and proceed to make claims that are inaccurate. Any original work can be considered as "authentic statements." This does not necessarily mean that those statements within are factual or accurate, only that they are the original source. The Library of Congress is packed full of "authentic" fictional works.
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    The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which in this context is.

    The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges. (YOU)

    He who does not carry the burden of proof carries the benefit of assumption.
    Meaning he needs no evidence to support his claim.(ME)

    Fulfilling the burden of proof effectively captures the benefit of assumption, passing the burden of proof off to another party.

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    The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges.

    You charge the defendant (The Beale Papers) The defendant published the statement that you say is false or fictitious.

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    Lets look at The Beale Papers as they were it's own Person.

    Defamation is the general term for a legal claim involving injury to one's reputation caused by a false statement of fact and includes both libel (defamation in written or fixed form) and slander (spoken defamation). The crux of a defamation claim is falsity. Truthful statements that harm another's reputation will not create liability for defamation (although they may open you up to other forms of liability if the information you publish is of a personal or highly private nature).

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    Jean, you're unknowingly maneuvering yourself into a corner. Let us assume that we have absolute proof that the story is 100% fiction and that we wanted to sue the author for making false statements. Who do you sue, Jean? You can't sue the source of the statements because his identity has been protected and he is unknown. So, you are 100% accurate when you suggest that there was legal guidance in preparing the pamphlet for print and copyright.

    The problem here is that you absolutely refuse to evaluate this mystery in an objective, unbiased process. In your mind the story must be true, it has to be true, and so it simply is. "Historical document?" Only from the factual standpoint that it has continued to fascinate people for a number of years.
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    At the time of Beale's alleged activities ,fraudulent land claim disputes following the Louisiana purchase were still being wrangled in court.
    Few penalties were dealt to perpetrators like the Bowie's.
    Just skate away to another locale.
    A writer of a tale attracting attention as to authenticity while news papers ran pretty much what they wanted would have been a surprise.
    Proving the truth or falseness of a publication at that time when documents were rampantly over stating truths would have been a tax on resource beyond capacity.
    Some documents were likely encouraged even by those who knew better, Hall Jackson Kelley's works extolling rather enhanced visions of Oregon just one example.
    At the time, Laissez-faire was rather standard.
    Not arguing your findings but the context of what they were accepted as at the time they were copyrighted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    Jean, you're unknowingly maneuvering yourself into a corner. Let us assume that we have absolute proof that the story is 100% fiction and that we wanted to sue the author for making false statements. Who do you sue, Jean? You can't sue the source of the statements because his identity has been protected and he is unknown. So, you are 100% accurate when you suggest that there was legal guidance in preparing the pamphlet for print and copyright.

    The problem here is that you absolutely refuse to evaluate this mystery in an objective, unbiased process. In your mind the story must be true, it has to be true, and so it simply is. "Historical document?" Only from the factual standpoint that it has continued to fascinate people for a number of years.
    The Historical Document stands as Fact unless you can prove with out a doubt otherwise. Lets not assume, you must prove it is not a Factual Document. That can not be done with Double hearsay.

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    As Releventchair noted, newspapers during the 1880's published all sorts of fantastic stories, including tales of buried pirate treasure and dinosaurs in Florida's St Johns River. THE LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN, a newspaper that Ward's cousin, John William Sherman was involved with, ran many treasure stories and also by coincidence of course, advertised THE BEALE PAPERS.
    With that stated, the word "authentic" in the sub title of the job pamphlet, is affirming that it is an "original" work by the author-nothing less, nothing more.
    ...and still there exists NO outside collaboration even in the slightest, that the BEALE PAPERS are nothing more that a dime novel adventure story with ciphers added as a parlor amusement, also vogue in the 1880's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    Jean, you're unknowingly maneuvering yourself into a corner. Let us assume that we have absolute proof that the story is 100% fiction and that we wanted to sue the author for making false statements. Who do you sue, Jean? You can't sue the source of the statements because his identity has been protected and he is unknown. So, you are 100% accurate when you suggest that there was legal guidance in preparing the pamphlet for print and copyright.

    The problem here is that you absolutely refuse to evaluate this mystery in an objective, unbiased process. In your mind the story must be true, it has to be true, and so it simply is. "Historical document?" Only from the factual standpoint that it has continued to fascinate people for a number of years.
    Can you show a document of the time that states The Beale Papers are Fictional?

    Yes or No

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    As Releventchair noted, newspapers during the 1880's published all sorts of fantastic stories, including tales of buried pirate treasure and dinosaurs in Florida's St Johns River. THE LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN, a newspaper that Ward's cousin, John William Sherman was involved with, ran many treasure stories and also by coincidence of course, advertised THE BEALE PAPERS.
    With that stated, the word "authentic" in the sub title of the job pamphlet, is affirming that it is an "original" work by the author-nothing less, nothing more.
    ...and still there exists NO outside collaboration even in the slightest, that the BEALE PAPERS are nothing more that a dime novel adventure story with ciphers added as a parlor amusement, also vogue in the 1880's.
    Can you show a document of the time that states The Beale Papers are Fictional?

    Yes or No

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    The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges. In this case you charge, The Beale Papers are Fictional
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