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    William Legrand, in "The Gold Bug" by Poe, was characterized after none other than Thomas Jefferson...

    Source, and quite valid at that:

    Chapter 12...here:

    Geomantic Information Systems; Exploring Axis Mundi, the Earth Grid, the Holy Grail and Ley Lines
    THAT is an interesting "read"; makes sense, as EAP was a student at TJ's UVA. Been to EAP's room, on "The LAWN"... I LIKED it! TJ was VERY "active" in the OLD Order R+C in France, when he was there. TJ's "Retreat" at Poplar Forest (@ 5-6 miles WEST from me) is LOADED with R+C symbolism, as are the MANY local Court-Houses he designed. Good R & I !

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    Getting closer to breaking news...but, in the meantime, here is a recent interview with Rene Barnett at Night Vision Radio...enjoy: http://irnfiles.com/audio/NVRBauman.mp3

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    USOKS interview with Ken Bauman, Anne Tittensor and Bob Newton on Saturday, September 19, 2015:



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    Quote Originally Posted by legrand View Post
    William Legrand, in "The Gold Bug" by Poe, was characterized after none other than Thomas Jefferson...

    Source, and quite valid at that:

    Chapter 12...here:

    Geomantic Information Systems; Exploring Axis Mundi, the Earth Grid, the Holy Grail and Ley Lines
    Interesting read... a "MISH-MASH" of info; what I KNOW... TJ was NEVER a Freemason (Blue Lodge/York Rite/Masonic Knights Templar). He WAS involved with the FRENCH ROSICRUCIANS of the OLD ORDER, while he was With the US Government, there. YES, "they" were into Geometric "shapes" & MAGIC. YES, TJ DID design MANY court-houses & SQUARES in our local area of Charlottesville, Albemarle County, Nelson County, Amherst County, Campbell County (including Lynchburg), and BEDFORD County (home of Poplar Forest, which is only 5-6 miles from me). Thomas Jefferson Highway is part of TURKEY FOOT Road, with TURKEY TOE Road in the middle, CUT OFF; FORMERLY a US POST OFFICE there, in the community of GERANIUM. Th'ing "CODE" is if Turkey FOOT middle toe is cut off, TREASURE has been found/recovered. Area was ONCE US Government "property"... HA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by legrand View Post
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    Nice "site"; NOTHING CONCLUSIVE. WHERE are you looking...? Doesn't look like Bedford County, Va.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legrand View Post
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    Interesting
    'Not worth the candle' is ultimately of French origin. It appears in Randle Cotgrave's A Dictionarie of the French and English Tongues, 1611, where it is listed as:

    "Le jeu ne vaut pas la chandelle."
    ( DEAD THAT GRAND FRET WE FIGHT SEND ME FAITH O LORD WE SOW THERE AS WE SET THERE A OF ALL REST DEAD IT SEEMS )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Laf View Post
    Interesting
    'Not worth the candle' is ultimately of French origin. It appears in Randle Cotgrave's A Dictionarie of the French and English Tongues, 1611...
    "Game not worth the candle" is from Shakespeare's "TWO GENTLEMAN ON VERONA", a play about the main character being banished for killing a man in a fair fight. The main female character is named Julia and the story also involves an important letter.
    Thomas Beale departed Virginia after wounding James Beverly Risqué in a duel that concerned Risque's niece , Julia Hancock.
    Risque's son in law, Giles Ward, Father of copyright owner, James Beverly Ward, was co-owner of Ward & Diggs Booksellers, and along with John William Sherman, his nephew and printer of the Beale Papers, were members of the Lynchburg Thespian Group, and had full knowledge of Shakespeare's works.
    From the May 9 Beale letter:
    "Be the result what it may, however, the game is worth the candle, and we will play it to the end".
    A homage to the Bard with a sly reference to the Beale/Risqué duel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legrand View Post
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    While E F Beale's 1850 BEALE PAPERS memoirs was used as source material for the 1885 Beale Papers, he is NOT the Beale character of the dime novel pamphlet.
    Other source material was "borrowed from Lewis & Clark (Julia Hancock married William Clark), ciphers from E A Poe and Abraham Ree's Cyclopedia/Dr William Blair's "Writing in Cipher" (both were sold at Ward & Diggs Booksellers), and most telling was an article that appeared in the April 16,1879 edition of the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN (John William Sherman was a sub-editor) detailing the found treasure of Robert O Willis that was hidden in a Kentucky cave- $65,000 of gold, silver, and jewelry.
    John Pickrell Risqué, brother of J B Risqué of the Beale duel, was murdered by Indians in Gold Gulch Arizona while inspecting gold and silver mines, 1882.
    J B Ward's wife, Harriet Otey Buford, was born and raised 4 miles from Buford's Inn, and Ward's uncle was Robert Morriss.
    The 1885 Beale Papers may well be the Great American adventure/treasure dime novel with ciphers added as a parlor entertainment, sold only in Lynchburg for the folks of Bedford/Botetourt counties, but since its 1885 publication, has grown to mythic status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    While E F Beale's 1850 BEALE PAPERS memoirs was used as source material for the 1885 Beale Papers, he is NOT the Beale character of the dime novel pamphlet.
    Other source material was "borrowed from Lewis & Clark (Julia Hancock married William Clark), ciphers from E A Poe and Abraham Ree's Cyclopedia/Dr William Blair's "Writing in Cipher" (both were sold at Ward & Diggs Booksellers), and most telling was an article that appeared in the April 16,1879 edition of the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN (John William Sherman was a sub-editor) detailing the found treasure of Robert O Willis that was hidden in a Kentucky cave- $65,000 of gold, silver, and jewelry.
    John Pickrell Risqué, brother of J B Risqué of the Beale duel, was murdered by Indians in Gold Gulch Arizona while inspecting gold and silver mines, 1882.
    J B Ward's wife, Harriet Otey Buford, was born and raised 4 miles from Buford's Inn, and Ward's uncle was Robert Morriss.
    The 1885 Beale Papers may well be the Great American adventure/treasure dime novel with ciphers added as a parlor entertainment, sold only in Lynchburg for the folks of Bedford/Botetourt counties, but since its 1885 publication, has grown to mythic status.
    Don't see proof, just a bunch of stuff thrown together that does not mean much when put together !

    What a JOKE !
    ( DEAD THAT GRAND FRET WE FIGHT SEND ME FAITH O LORD WE SOW THERE AS WE SET THERE A OF ALL REST DEAD IT SEEMS )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Laf View Post
    Don't see proof, just a bunch of stuff thrown together that does not mean much when put together !

    What a JOKE !
    An expected response from who is still attempting to fit the "right" Beale as proof that he "solved" the ciphers containing Reine Lister and a limerick.
    Now that's a JOKE!
    Have you found evidence that the Beale buffalo hunt that begins the tale ever happened?
    Without that, the whole story as being true, collapses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    An expected response from who is still attempting to fit the "right" Beale as proof that he "solved" the ciphers containing Reine Lister and a limerick.
    Now that's a JOKE!
    Have you found evidence that the Beale buffalo hunt that begins the tale ever happened?
    Without that, the whole story as being true, collapses.
    A historical document called the Beale Papers . A written history of the event with the original letters from Beale . What you got ?
    ( DEAD THAT GRAND FRET WE FIGHT SEND ME FAITH O LORD WE SOW THERE AS WE SET THERE A OF ALL REST DEAD IT SEEMS )

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    Good things are done right. America's about to rock with revelation. Time is being taken. Spring will spring forth. Patience squabblers.

    Word of the day: Enthusiasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legrand View Post
    Good things are done right. America's about to rock with revelation. Time is being taken. Spring will spring forth. Patience squabblers.

    Word of the day: Enthusiasm.
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Laf View Post
    A historical document called the Beale Papers . A written history of the event with the original letters from Beale . What you got ?
    Once again, the 1885 Beale Papers job pamphlet is not a historical document, but an adventure/treasure novel with parlor entertainment ciphers that would have been long regulated to the dust of time if not for the Hart brothers and Pauline Innis publishing their books.
    Now, read this slowly and understand later:
    There exists NO historical document that can prove that anything in the Beale Papers job pamphlet ever happened.
    One can find sources that influenced the Beale story in the text, but NO collaborating evidence of the events in the Beale story text, EXISTS.
    It always reverts back to the imaginations of James Beverly Ward and John William Sherman, with contributions from F C Hutter, Max Guggenheimer, and Harriet Otey Buford Ward.
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