Politics of the times?

[bigscoop]

Politics represent the different points of view of society. Having said this it's important to understand the politics that were involved within the events leading up to the Beale pamphlet publication. All of this is made clear in the pamphlet itself if you really research and investigate the “key” presented. What is different from it VS the original? In order to understand these differences one can start by researching the Declaration Of The Rights Of Man and particularly item #17 in that document.


https://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/295/

 

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[ECS]

So you are still turning the Beale Papers into a French "connexion" thing.

 

[bigscoop]

So you are still turning the Beale Papers into a French "connexion" thing.

No, not exactly. This is why I keep suggeting to you that you dive in and research these matters for yourself before trying to hold debate.

In the Beale papers were are told of the "flame that was worth the candle", also of the great "enterprise" being undertaken. What was the name of the ship that arrived off the coast of Galveston Island?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kearny

You are correct in concluding that the publication was distributed to a limited audience, just not for the reasons you believe. Everything I've presented to you has taken years of research to understand but to someone who had actually been part of it all the story in the publication would have been recognized right away, which was the purpose of producing the pamphlet.

Right now I'm betting you have absolutely no idea why I referenced item #17 or why I suggested that you seek the differences in the offered key VS the original document? Maybe you should look into it.

 

[bigscoop]

Let's see, depending on one's political opinions and sense of reasoning, slaves were personal possessions/properties that under article 17 of the rights of man they should be compensated for if emancipated. This same thing could be argued in the case of confiscated material properties/possessions, or in the case of forced removal from possession of a disputed territory, as is often agreed in spoliation clauses in various treaties, etc., etc., etc. Just some political food for thought.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Let's see, depending on one's political opinions and sense of reasoning, slaves were personal possessions/properties that under article 17 of the rights of man they should be compensated for if emancipated. This same thing could be argued in the case of confiscated material properties/possessions, or in the case of forced removal from possession of a disputed territory, as is often agreed in spoliation clauses in various treaties, etc., etc., etc. Just some political food for thought.

Well, Thomas Jefferson 187 of 'em... (Monticello & Poplar Forest). Fathered 3 "slave boys", who were "light-skinned", and passed for "white"... later living in white, polite society...

 

[releventchair]

Plenty goin on in 1818.
"Era of Good Feelings". Seminole War. Treaty of 1818. The White House reopened. Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte seated in Norway/Sweden.
Chile split from Spain's dominion. Congress of Aix-la-Chapelle steadied France, sort of.
American Canadian border sets at 49th parallel. US & Britain agree to joint control of Oregon country.

Later years saw ..
Slave trade and opium trade contested. Hawaii regaining it's own sovereignty. England vs America for trading in China..
Turner’s Rebellion less than a decade before Kearny's China work and global transitions left few safe from a knife in the dark.

 

[bigscoop]

Plenty goin on in 1818.
"Era of Good Feelings". Seminole War. Treaty of 1818. The White House reopened. Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte seated in Norway/Sweden.
Chile split from Spain's dominion. Congress of Aix-la-Chapelle steadied France, sort of.
American Canadian border sets at 49th parallel. US & Britain agree to joint control of Oregon country.

Later years saw ..
Slave trade and opium trade contested. Hawaii regaining it's own sovereignty. England vs America for trading in China..
Turner’s Rebellion less than a decade before Kearny's China work and global transitions left few safe from a knife in the dark.

In the US they were still founding and building a new country, establishing its trade and borders and policies, both foreign and domestic, etc. Not like today where most of these things are already established.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Plenty goin on in 1818.
"Era of Good Feelings". Seminole War. Treaty of 1818. The White House reopened. Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte seated in Norway/Sweden.
Chile split from Spain's dominion. Congress of Aix-la-Chapelle steadied France, sort of.
American Canadian border sets at 49th parallel. US & Britain agree to joint control of Oregon country.

Later years saw ..
Slave trade and opium trade contested. Hawaii regaining it's own sovereignty. England vs America for trading in China..
Turner’s Rebellion less than a decade before Kearny's China work and global transitions left few safe from a knife in the dark.

WHEW!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

In the US they were still founding and building a new country, establishing its trade and borders and policies, both foreign and domestic, etc. Not like today where most of these things are already established.

Really...? Dunno...

 

[ECS]

It was the best of times. it was the worst of times,
and for the average American it was the same as it ever was.
The rich got rich, the poor got poorer,
and in the mean time, inbetween time,
Ain't we got fun.

 

[bigscoop]

"Construct, explore, colonize"....three of the legal requirements/commitments often associated with the claimed possession of a land or territory without prior claim or jurisdiction. Another requirement is the forming of an acting government. When George Graham visited Galveston Island he was to make examination of the form of government there and also to request, on behalf of the US, that the occupant dispossess the territory he occupied.

"Dispossess"..it is an interesting choice of words, one that is often encountered in legal matters concerning claims of possession and the forfeiture, voluntary or otherwise, of those possessions. In other words, it is often associated with the relinquishing of claims of possession.

After Graham's visit, I think it was on September, 26th, 1818, Pierre Laffitte arrived at George Graham's Washington Office to hand deliver a correspondence, the content of that correspondence is still uncertain today.

No doubt, politics were at play.