CODEBREAKER COMMENTS ABOUT BEALE CIPHERS

[franklin]

It will take a lot of time through inter-library loans and then several trips to view microfilm but it's not impossible and yes I will post it. May be near Christmas before I can find it again.

I will say this much, I remember what the article said but I can not prove it without the newspaper article. I know what it said and I know it was true but no one else will believe it.

The party left out from Woodstock. Where was Thomas Beale, Sr. born? Near Woodstock.

 

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[TN_Guest1523]

"lies rather beyond the range of possibility"- Col George Fabyan
"diabolical ingenuity, specifically designed to lure the unwary reader"- William Friedman
"nothing more or less than a hoax"- Elizabeth Smith Friedman
"the Beale treasure is likely to be a hoax, invented by whomever authored the Beale Papers"-
Dr Todd Mateer

Said all the people that failed to do the work that there reputation said they could do .

 

[ECS]

Said all the people that failed to do the work that there reputation said they could do .

...and on what do you base that observation?
...considering that they are "authentic statements".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I will say this much, I remember what the article said but I can not prove it without the newspaper article. I know what it said and I know it was true but no one else will believe it.

The party left out from Woodstock. Where was Thomas Beale, Sr. born? Near Woodstock.

Yes, Woodstock, Va. is in the Shenandoah Valley, south of Winchester, Va. Yes, Thomas Beale, Sr. was stated to have been born, in the Shenandoah Valley; so was I... know S.V. WELL!

 

[franklin]

Yes, Woodstock, Va. is in the Shenandoah Valley, south of Winchester, Va. Yes, Thomas Beale, Sr. was stated to have been born, in the Shenandoah Valley; so was I... know S.V. WELL!

If you can find copies of the newspapers from that area in 1817 you may find some of the names of the Beale Party. Whether TJB Sr. was the man or not whether he died in 1820 or not is irrelevant as it could have been a cousin or nephew with the same name? Stranger things have happened.

 

[ECS]

...
Somewhere in my notes is an article about the Lynchburg descendants of Coles, Clay, and Witcher objecting to their ancestors names being used in a common dime novel...

There is a brief mention of this at the CONCLUSION:
Page 20

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If you can find copies of the newspapers from that area in 1817 you may find some of the names of the Beale Party. Whether TJB Sr. was the man or not whether he died in 1820 or not is irrelevant as it could have been a cousin or nephew with the same name? Stranger things have happened.

Shenandoah County, Va.; Woodstock, Va. is where, it's at... MAY be a Reference Section in the Woodstock, Va. Library. It IS the "County Seat"...

 

[ECS]

Yes, Woodstock, Va. is in the Shenandoah Valley, south of Winchester, Va. Yes, Thomas Beale, Sr. was stated to have been born, in the Shenandoah Valley; so was I... know S.V. WELL!

My maternal grandmother was also born in the Shenandoah Valley.

 

[ECS]

Said all the people that failed to do the work that there reputation said they could do .

Or it could be that C1 and C3 are not real ciphers as the provided DOI "solved" C3.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

There is a brief mention of this at the CONCLUSION:
Page 20

Robert Ward did a nice job on the BEALE MANUSCRIPT mentioned on page 20; "The LAST Haunting of Edgar Allen Poe" is 'Poe's Preferences' contained in THE BEALE PAPERS. NO doubt that EAP "influenced" the Pamphlet... HOWEVER! EAP DID NOT write it. EAP was a student at Mr. Jefferson's University (UVA). EAP lived in Room 13 on "THE LAWN"; been there! NICE room... a bed, fire place, writing table; PLENTY of "drinking places" near-by on "THE CORNER"... HEH!

 

[releventchair]

Robert Ward did a nice job on the BEALE MANUSCRIPT mentioned on page 20; "The LAST Haunting of Edgar Allen Poe" is 'Poe's Preferences' contained in THE BEALE PAPERS. NO doubt that EAP "influenced" the Pamphlet... HOWEVER! EAP DID NOT write it. EAP was a student at Mr. Jefferson's University (UVA). EAP lived in Room 13 on "THE LAWN"; been there! NICE room... a bed, fire place, writing table; PLENTY of "drinking places" near-by on "THE CORNER"... HEH!

Poe was familiar/experienced with most any aspect of papers.
From editing, to newspapers, to cryptic codes ect.
Always easy to find a headscratcher about him.
Here's another quote.

[Lewis’s & send for you. It will be better for me not to go to Fordham — don‘t you think so? Write immediately in reply & direct to Phila. For fear I should not get the letter, sign no name & address it to E. S. T. Grey Esqr. . . . ]

For a man with no money 99% or so of the time.
He seemed to have had it in 1848 or 49 (?) to no known avail.

Edgar Allan Poe Society of Baltimore - General Topics - The Mysterious Death of Edgar Allan Poe

 

[ECS]

Robert Ward did a nice job on the BEALE MANUSCRIPT mentioned on page 20; "The LAST Haunting of Edgar Allen Poe" is 'Poe's Preferences' contained in THE BEALE PAPERS. NO doubt that EAP "influenced" the Pamphlet... HOWEVER! EAP DID NOT write it. EAP was a student at Mr. Jefferson's University (UVA). EAP lived in Room 13 on "THE LAWN"; been there! NICE room... a bed, fire place, writing table; PLENTY of "drinking places" near-by on "THE CORNER"... HEH!

Poe's 1841 article, "A Few Words On Secret Writing" and "The Gold Bug" and Dr William Blair's "Writing In Cipher" influenced the job pamphlet, which were sold at Lynchburg's WARD & DIGGS BOOKSTORE.

 

[Old Silver]

Was Poe related to the other "conspirators" in the making of the Beale papers?

 

[ECS]

Amusing mocking comment.

 

[ECS]

"Few persons can be made to believe that it is not quite an easy thing to invent a method of secret writing which shall baffle investigation. Yet it may be roundly asserted that human ingenuity cannot concoct a cipher which human ingenuity cannot resolve".- EDGAR ALLEN POE
In over 130 years, "human ingenuity" has not been able to resolve C1 & C3, in spite of the proffered DOI "solved" C3.
Government codebreakers and super codebreaking computers have all been employed to no avail.
Which leads to the obvious conclusion that C1 & C3 are NOT true ciphers containing a real message.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

When Poe was a student at Mr. Jefferson's University, he PROBABLY studied the VARIOUS Codes of Thomas Jefferson... I can indicate where I found info on those codes for ALL. Alderman Library at UVA has the TJ's Books/Papers, in the basement... I was in there, MANY times (LOVE the scent of old books & papers). LOVE stacks BABY! Heh!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"Few persons can be made to believe that it is not quite an easy thing to invent a method of secret writing which shall baffle investigation. Yet it may be roundly asserted that human ingenuity cannot concoct a cipher which human ingenuity cannot resolve".- EDGAR ALLEN POE
In over 130 years, "human ingenuity" has not been able to resolve C1 & C3, in spite of the proffered DOI "solved" C3.
Government codebreakers and super codebreaking computers have all been employed to no avail.
Which leads to the obvious conclusion that C1 & C3 are NOT true ciphers containing a real message.

You are CORRECT about C1 & C3...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Was Poe related to the other "conspirators" in the making of the Beale papers?

HA! ONLY on Paper. Heh...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A VISION: EAP is in his room on THE LAWN (# 13), it is a DARK & STORMY NIGHT with thunder & lightning... he is at his desk, fire in the Fire-place... NO women; a candle & his "fave" drink at hand (was it COFFEE...?).

 

[Rebel - KGC]

As the candle on his desk burns, he is BUSY studying TJ's Codes from the manuscripts left behind; and EAP & TJ left "clues" behind for us ALL. "Google" A FEW WORDS ON SECRET WRITING by Edgar A. Poe. Pay attention to the 1st paragraph... SECRET WRITING is KEY!