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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Its all in the family, Bigscoop. As I mentioned, if it wasn't for the HART PAPERS attracting Pauline Innis's attention, after which she wrote "GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE", the 1885 Beale Papers would have been long forgotten.
    ...and who possessed the iron box with ciphers that was shown to Innis?
    All in the family.
    George L. Hart, Sr.: HART PAPERS - 1952; Pauline Innis: GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE - 1964.
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    The Hart's and the all in the family theory. OK, let's run with that for a moment.....then how did the Hart's arrive at, "Thomas Jefferson Beale?" Up to this point it had only been Thomas Beale, or TJB, so why and how the Jefferson? Did they too simply add this for additional parlor entertainment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    The Hart's and the all in the family theory. OK, let's run with that for a moment.....then how did the Hart's arrive at, "Thomas Jefferson Beale?" Up to this point it had only been Thomas Beale, or TJB, so why and how the Jefferson? Did they too simply add this for additional parlor entertainment?
    You must remember Clayton I Hart got his information from Newton Hazelwood and James B. Ward and Ward's son. I have read the Hart Papers several times trying to figure that one out. Also where George Hart sent letters telling P. Innis where the iron box was located. All of this is new information in P. Innis new Gold Covered book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    The Hart's and the all in the family theory. OK, let's run with that for a moment.....then how did the Hart's arrive at, "Thomas Jefferson Beale?" Up to this point it had only been Thomas Beale, or TJB, so why and how the Jefferson? Did they too simply add this for additional parlor entertainment?
    HA! Ask George L. Hart, Sr. (the author)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    See here's the thing....."everyone" thinks they have the connections... Truth is simply that there are so few facts to set limits on one's imagination... But in the end how is any of it directly connected to the story? As you fully know, none of it is. It's just a bunch of raw data tossed into the steaming pot.
    ...and that's the rub. The Beale Papers is a patchwork quilt pieced together from various fabrics providing a plausible story of "could have happened" to the reader due to the reader's knowledge of similar events that had occurred.
    As we have both stated on several threads, there exist NO direct connection to anything written in the Beale Papers, except for the mention of Max Guggenheimer living in what was once Robert Morriss's house.
    here is No outside proof that Thomas Beale ever gave the iron box with ciphers to Morriss, the letters from Beale to Morriss, or of Morriss ever relating the story to the unknown author, that information exists only in the 1885 job pamphlet.
    Beyond that, it is, as you mentioned, raw data thrown into a steaming pot creating Beale gumbo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    ...and that's the rub. The Beale Papers is a patchwork quilt pieced together from various fabrics providing a plausible story of "could have happened" to the reader due to the reader's knowledge of similar events that had occurred.

    My point was.....as a fiction theorist/enthusiast you simply don't need go into all of this other speculations as the case is pretty darn solid when left entirely alone. Each time you do start theorizing on how the entire fiction process went down you just end up tossing even more unnecessary and uncertain data (that can be argued/debated) into the steaming pot. Just leave it as fiction. Why weaken the #1 position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    You must remember Clayton I Hart got his information from Newton Hazelwood and James B. Ward and Ward's son. I have read the Hart Papers several times trying to figure that one out. Also where George Hart sent letters telling P. Innis where the iron box was located. All of this is new information in P. Innis new Gold Covered book.
    P. Innis new Gold Covered book, I have not seen this book yet.

    I think Jean needs to get with the Ward descendants and check the original ciphers if they are still in there possession. They can get there share by helping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptography View Post
    P. Innis new Gold Covered book, I have not seen this book yet.

    I think Jean needs to get with the Ward descendants and check the original ciphers if they are still in there possession. They can get there share by helping.
    Great Grandson would be Gorham B Walker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Great Grandson would be Gorham B Walker.

    Lynchburg ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptography View Post
    P. Innis new Gold Covered book, I have not seen this book yet.

    I think Jean needs to get with the Ward descendants and check the original ciphers if they are still in there possession. They can get there share by helping.
    It is a PAPERBACK! BTW... James Beverly WARD; DYK? WARD surname is ENGLISH... meaning TO GUARD! As "Agent for the UNKNOWN Author"... CERTAINLY does THAT! Heh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Laf View Post
    Lynchburg ??
    In 1966, Gorham B Walker Jr, B A Lynchburg was an overseer at SWEET BRIAR WOMEN'S COLLEGE,Virginia.
    James Beverly Ward's daughter Adeline McVeigh's daughter was Lelia L Walker, her son was Gorham B Walker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    In 1966, Gorham B Walker Jr, B A Lynchburg was an overseer at SWEET BRIAR WOMEN'S COLLEGE,Virginia.
    James Beverly Ward's daughter Adeline McVeigh's daughter was Lelia L Walker, her son was Gorham B Walker.
    What about Annie Morriss Ward, Adeline sister?

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    Daughter and grandson were present when Adeline was interviewed by Martha Rivers Adams for the article on the Beale Papers that appeared in the THE LYNCHBURG NEWS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Laf View Post
    What about Annie Morriss Ward, Adeline sister?
    No one was paying attention eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Laf View Post
    No one was paying attention eh?
    Morriss was Ward's uncle after all, and did you notice the Risqu and the modified spelling of Kennerly in the other names?
    All in the family.
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