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    OR! It was based on an interview with the "unknown" author (Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, CSA in MHO), and compiled into a booklet by John William Sherman (Sub. Editor of the News Virginian newspaper; Charlie Button, Editor said so). A "contract job" done by the JOB PRINT on Main Street, L'burg... STILL in the old VIRGINIAN Building, now being renovated into a JAZZY Hotel with a Restuarant on the top floor... NYC is coming to L'burg!

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    Which brings up the question... WHO is REALLY the author of the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet/"Job Print"...? Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, CSA or John William Sherman, News Virginian... are the Beale Ciphers/Codes like today's CROSS-WORDS PUZZLE...? Done in 1885, you know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptography View Post
    ... Jean has said that even the cipher that was deciphered back in the 1860's was not all that truthful and had some parts that would be considered misdirects. So if Jean is right there is more to know in the ciphers that he is working with then just what meets the eye in the parts we can read now. I have seen some of what he has uncovered and it really is something that no one ever would have expected. They knew they were going to die and in the parts I have seen that is how it read. Beale wrote it as though they were indeed dead at the time and reflecting back on there lives...
    How does he know that the C2 cipher was decoded in the 1860's?

    If you have seen some of what he found, maybe you could expound on your above statements, unless, of course, it was cause a "Grand Fret."

    Now how did "they", the Beale Party on that perilous adventure KNOW that "they" were all going to die at the time of Beale's stay with Robert Morriss?
    Was a medium or clairvoyant a member of the Beale Party who predicted this outcome?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    How does he know that the C2 cipher was decoded in the 1860's?

    If you have seen some of what he found, maybe you could expound on your above statements, unless, of course, it was cause a "Grand Fret."

    Now how did "they", the Beale Party on that perilous adventure KNOW that "they" were all going to die at the time of Beale's stay with Robert Morriss?
    Was a medium or clairvoyant a member of the Beale Party who predicted this outcome?
    A person I know was talking about that same thing.

    Beale dropped off a box in case they all died.
    Beale was to get the box back if he or another with authority from him came back before ten years was up.
    If they (Beale Party) had lived do you think they would come back for the box and Beale's other items left behind?
    The only reason they left the box was in case of there death RIGHT!

    More then ten years passed so RM opened the box.
    No one would have ever seen the ciphers if the box was picked up before the ten years and Beale wrote his will or trust in cipher's that no one would have ever seen unless they died.

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    That does not explain your statement "they knew they were going to die" concerning the parts you claim to have read from Laf's fantastic cipher solution.
    Now does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Which brings up the question... WHO is REALLY the author of the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet/"Job Print"...? Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, CSA or John William Sherman, News Virginian... are the Beale Ciphers/Codes like today's CROSS-WORDS PUZZLE...? Done in 1885, you know...
    No the author was not Ferdinand Hutter or John William Sherman.

    If Robert Morriss had given you all of this information what would be the first thing you would do? No not work on the codes. You would go as fast as you could to St. Louis, MO and look for the "KEY" and that is exactly what this man did.

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    Good lord, the amount of complete speculation is running rampant, not a single shred, hint, breeze, clue, provenance or/of evidence to any of it.... In just a few recent post you guys know who "completely unnamed" men were who accompanied Beale to the Morriss establishment, how and why the completely "unknown" author did what he did, who everybody in the "completely undocumented and unknown alleged party" were, how and why the "completely unknown Beale" did what he did, and so on and so on. Been this way since day one and still absolutely nothing to connect to any of it other then pure speculation, fantastical imagination, and wanton desires. All of it for sale to anyone who will lend a "completely naive" and gullible ear. "The more things change the more they stay exactly the same."

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Clearly you guys are driving yourselves insane over something you can't even establish was ever even real outside your own imaginations. And deep down inside, I know some of you are aware of this, so why continuing chasing and pushing the same old stuff that never has, and never will, go beyond those imaginations?
    "Treasure is wherever it can be found."

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    ...and when he got to St Louis and the Planters Hotel, he discovered that George Radar Brugh had made his way to Virginia 20 years earlier with the "key" with a companion, but was waylaid and killed at the Blackhorse Tavern by Ebenezer Helms who hid the "key" letter in a family Bible.
    Meanwhile back in Lynchburg during the "2nd year of the Confederate War" as this "unknown author" traveled to St Louis in search of the "key", N Guggenheimer placed an add in THE NEWS & ADVANCE wanting "Two hundred cord of tan bark, such as black oak, chestnut oak, and red oak" with contact address No 144 Main Street, Lynchburg, Va.
    ...and "as the miller told his tale, at first her face just ghostly, turned a whiter shade of pale".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptography View Post
    A person I know was talking about that same thing.

    Beale dropped off a box in case they all died.
    Beale was to get the box back if he or another with authority from him came back before ten years was up.
    If they (Beale Party) had lived do you think they would come back for the box and Beale's other items left behind?
    The only reason they left the box was in case of there death RIGHT!

    More then ten years passed so RM opened the box.
    No one would have ever seen the ciphers if the box was picked up before the ten years and Beale wrote his will or trust in cipher's that no one would have ever seen unless they died.
    So he wrote ciphers that Morriss had ZERO chance of ever decoding, even with the key, just to make certain that his will would be served? C2 only works with some major adjustments and some suggestive help from the author and "the key" just produces gibberish when applied to C1 & C3. Your logic is seriously flawed, my friend, unless "your Beale" was a complete idiot who wanted to make certain that his ciphers would frustrate Morriss and everyone else all the way to their death beds and beyond and that his all-important will was never served.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    No the author was not Ferdinand Hutter or John William Sherman.

    If Robert Morriss had given you all of this information what would be the first thing you would do? No not work on the codes. You would go as fast as you could to St. Louis, MO and look for the "KEY" and that is exactly what this man did.
    That is what YOU would do... I stand by my R & I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    Good lord, the amount of complete speculation is running rampant, not a single shred, hint, breeze, clue, provenance or/of evidence to any of it.... In just a few recent post you guys know who "completely unnamed" men were who accompanied Beale to the Morriss establishment, how and why the completely "unknown" author did what he did, who everybody in the "completely undocumented and unknown alleged party" were, how and why the "completely unknown Beale" did what he did, and so on and so on. Been this way since day one and still absolutely nothing to connect to any of it other then pure speculation, fantastical imagination, and wanton desires. All of it for sale to anyone who will lend a "completely naive" and gullible ear. "The more things change the more they stay exactly the same."

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Clearly you guys are driving yourselves insane over something you can't even establish was ever even real outside your own imaginations. And deep down inside, I know some of you are aware of this, so why continuing chasing and pushing the same old stuff that never has, and never will, go beyond those imaginations?
    Well, John William Sherman DID end up in Western State Hospital in Staunton, Va.; he died there & was buried in Roanoke, Va. He had Bi-Polar Disease, "Manic-Depressive".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    ...and when he got to St Louis and the Planters Hotel, he discovered that George Radar Brugh had made his way to Virginia 20 years earlier with the "key" with a companion, but was waylaid and killed at the Blackhorse Tavern by Ebenezer Helms who hid the "key" letter in a family Bible.
    Meanwhile back in Lynchburg during the "2nd year of the Confederate War" as this "unknown author" traveled to St Louis in search of the "key", N Guggenheimer placed an add in THE NEWS & ADVANCE wanting "Two hundred cord of tan bark, such as black oak, chestnut oak, and red oak" with contact address No 144 Main Street, Lynchburg, Va.
    ...and "as the miller told his tale, at first her face just ghostly, turned a whiter shade of pale".
    As Guggenheimer accumulated vast amounts of tan bark in Lynchburg for unknown reasons, the "unknown author" not finding Brugh or the "KEY" at the St Louis Planters Hotel, joined a group headed by William Quantrill.
    Maintaining truth, justice, and the Confederate way against the Jayhawkers, the "unknown author" became friends with fellow grey riders, the James and Youngers and Buck Wright.
    After the war, he returned to Virginia, accompanied by Wright, and upon hearing rumors of Brugh's murder, realized the key was lost, and set about to solved the ciphers, while Buck Wright traveled the Blue Ridge with his dog Tippy, looking for signs, always vigilant of strangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    That does not explain your statement "they knew they were going to die" concerning the parts you claim to have read from Laf's fantastic cipher solution.
    Now does it?
    The box was in case they died, so all of the papers in the box would only be seen if they were dead. There idea was they were dead if someone was reading this when they made it up. 30 left Virginia and only 10 would make it to 1819.

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    No the other 20 were left to keep mining the gold and silver. They were not killed until years later. Most likely during the year of Mexico's Independence, 1822.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    As Guggenheimer accumulated vast amounts of tan bark in Lynchburg for unknown reasons, the "unknown author" not finding Brugh or the "KEY" at the St Louis Planters Hotel, joined a group headed by William Quantrill.
    Maintaining truth, justice, and the Confederate way against the Jayhawkers, the "unknown author" became friends with fellow grey riders, the James and Youngers and Buck Wright.
    After the war, he returned to Virginia, accompanied by Wright, and upon hearing rumors of Brugh's murder, realized the key was lost, and set about to solved the ciphers, while Buck Wright traveled the Blue Ridge with his dog Tippy, looking for signs, always vigilant of strangers.
    Tippy began barking up a storm as Buck Wright came upon two strangers lifting a 30 gal iron brine pot from Boone's Salt Works. The men identified themselves as the Hart brothers, and that they were led to this location by a medium, but didn't reveal for what they were searching.
    Buck pulled out a worn 36 cal Colt Navy revolver and advised the brothers to get on their way, firing a round at their feet for motivation.
    The Harts departed, Tippy nipping at their heels.
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