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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    ... Not sure how everyone got sucked into this vacuum?
    Life can not exist in a vacuum, yet still these Beale threads live on!
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    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    At your request, and premature example, consider it done.
    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo . . . . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    The bane of most interested in this mystery is that they're still expecting to find simple remedies, simple point A to point B events and explanations. Yet we have all concluded that "if" the story contains any measure of truth then it was anything but a simple event... And now for every detail offered everyone is going to want proof of those details, and now suddenly the simple explanation is turning complex and quite involved. And yet, everyone still wants and expects a simple explanation?
    Really, the bottom line to all of this is whether the events mentioned in the Beale Papers, the perilous adventure, the buffalo hunt, the discovery of gold, the St Louis trade of silver for jewels, the meeting with Morris and the letters, staying at Buford's Tavern while the treasure vault was being constructed, whether an "unknown author" contacted Ward to be copyright agent, is a true account of actual events, or just a fictional creation of an unnamed author.
    Either the Beale story is true as written, no Adams-Onis, secret service, or any other off the wall scenario that can be presented as "the story behind the story", or it is just a work of fiction as professional codebreaker Elizabeth Smith Freidman noted " printed for the express purpose of selling copies of it for profit".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Really, the bottom line to all of this is whether the events mentioned in the Beale Papers, the perilous adventure, the buffalo hunt, the discovery of gold, the St Louis trade of silver for jewels, the meeting with Morris and the letters, staying at Buford's Tavern while the treasure vault was being constructed, whether an "unknown author" contacted Ward to be copyright agent, is a true account of actual events, or just a fictional creation of an unnamed author.
    Either the Beale story is true as written, no Adams-Onis, secret service, or any other off the wall scenario that can be presented as "the story behind the story", or it is just a work of fiction as professional codebreaker Elizabeth Smith Freidman noted " printed for the express purpose of selling copies of it for profit".
    You keep cuddling that simplest of notions.
    "Treasure is wherever it can be found."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    You keep cuddling that simplest of notions.
    Now you are posting like Jean just like you know something that others don't. It will still amount to nothing in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Gates View Post
    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo . . . . . . .
    Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, . . . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Now you are posting like Jean just like you know something that others don't. It will still amount to nothing in the end.
    There you go again, still focused on the end.
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    "Treasure is wherever it can be found."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    There you go again, still focused on the end.
    Well, the "game is worth the candle, and we will play it to the end".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    There you go again, still focused on the end.
    bigscoop, I am going to read your post and others post from now on, I see no reason to post because all of this is going no where. We all want to see information that will end this madness that has been going on for over 130 years. I am tired of reading all of these claims when someone wants to post "yes" or "no" whether the story happened or not or was it just a parlor story for entertainment then I might get up out of my rocking chair. It is so relaxing.

    It could have very well been a play right by his father Giles Ward. He was over the Thespian Society. I believe we have just about worn out every phase and history happening from 1800 through the Western Days. I am taking a break but should you post any thing of interest with documents to verify I may send you a reply.
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    Don't go too far franklin, you post good info too, which I enjoy reading, in between your quick jabs.

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    A party of 30 men who were "advised" to form their party into a "military fashion." Who then, would possess this knowledge to have made that recommendation, would have understood the meaning and how the advised chain of military command should be formed? An Indian? A fur trader, perhaps? Or, maybe someone with military experience or a military background? ....you decide.
    "Treasure is wherever it can be found."

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    A West Point cadet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Gates View Post
    A West Point cadet?
    Well, that's the thing. Beale's Rifles, there were two of them at New Orleans, one from Penn and the other, and this is important, "comprised of New Orleans businessmen." When reliable roster is located there are names in there that can be traced to some of what I'll be explaining "when/is it is allowed" by membership. "Businessmen" were not enlisted men.
    "Treasure is wherever it can be found."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Gates View Post
    A West Point cadet?
    Now some of this is based on speculation but not without long research and learned education of the existing circumstances;

    You have to understand the political atmosphere during the period, as a measure of political threat/pressure both France and Great Britain had hinted that they might take action against the United States in restoring territories back to Mexico/Spain if the US showed force in Mexico/Texas. Now the US realized that these were only political threats and they took them with a grain of salt, as is detailed in several different resources.


    However, if war/conflict did result then there needed to be an established line of supply to the region, this making the St. Louis overland line a foreseeable measure. And it was also because of these threats that the United States couldn't risk using enlisted men in the region.


    Aboard one of the ships that transferred the refugees to Galveston Island there was a man named, you guessed it, Thomas Beale. Ironically, during this same period there is a Beale who is also a runner for another influential man involved at Galveston Island and South America, this last Beale even securing the delivery Brazilian hardwood from south America for this man. Now I can't positively identify these two Beale's as being the same man but I can, however, directly connect the influential person as holding investment in both “shipments.” But in getting a better feel for things you have to understand the activities of the Corporation, which was actually a shelled privateering and smuggling operation of grand proportions. You can't just continue to stack looted merchandise up on an island without somebody noticing or without turning that merchandise into vital dollars, just as they did with the slaves they took as prizes, yet another reason the US avoided any direct connections, even though Onis and others knew it.
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