NSA Declassified Documents Beale Papers

[cw0909]

this has prob been discussed b4
i found 2 interesting items in the Declassified Documents
alfred percy,would like to find those letters to friedman
as he seemed interested in talking to percy more

found this percy mentioned in friedmans letters DOCID 656729
1940 census
alfred percy
Route 677 Elon Mag D Amherst, Va
https://www.myrelatives.com/Census/d/134-101696123
DOCID 656729
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/beale-papers/assets/files/doc656729.pdf

there is a mention that thomas beale went to missouri
these beals mentioned in DOCID 656725
Read the eBook The descendants of Capt. Thomas Carter of Barford, Lancaster County, Virginia : with genealogical notes of many of the allied families by Joseph Lyon Miller online for free (page 33 of 37)
DOCID 656725
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/beale-papers/assets/files/doc656725.pdf

NSA.Gov > News & Features > Declassified Documents > Beale Papers
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/beale-papers/

sometimes the archive . org files are easier to work with
Ask Beale
Topics: NSA, National Security Agency, FOIA, Freedom of Information,
Freedom of Information Act
https://archive.org/search.php?query=Ask Beale&and[]=collection%3A%22nsa-archive%22

 

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[franklin]

We have already seen all of those stories. How about giving us the undeclassified stories?

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

this has prob been discussed b4
i found 2 interesting items in the Declassified Documents
alfred percy,would like to find those letters to friedman
as he seemed interested in talking to percy more

found this percy mentioned in friedmans letters DOCID 656729
1940 census
alfred percy
Route 677 Elon Mag D Amherst, Va
https://www.myrelatives.com/Census/d/134-101696123
DOCID 656729
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/beale-papers/assets/files/doc656729.pdf

there is a mention that thomas beale went to missouri
these beals mentioned in DOCID 656725
Read the eBook The descendants of Capt. Thomas Carter of Barford, Lancaster County, Virginia : with genealogical notes of many of the allied families by Joseph Lyon Miller online for free (page 33 of 37)
DOCID 656725
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/beale-papers/assets/files/doc656725.pdf

NSA.Gov > News & Features > Declassified Documents > Beale Papers
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/beale-papers/

sometimes the archive . org files are easier to work with
Ask Beale
Topics: NSA, National Security Agency, FOIA, Freedom of Information,
Freedom of Information Act
https://archive.org/search.php?query=Ask Beale&and[]=collection%3A%22nsa-archive%22

have you seen any thomas beal's in your research in this information?

 

[franklin]

That Thomas J. Beale that went to Missouri is another Thomas J. Beale. Mrs. Renaker said it was her uncle. He was born after the trip of Beale Party to Sante Fe. They have two Thomas Beale's and try to confuse the two and coming up with another. It is like taking two apples and trying to make an orange out of them. Ridiculous research by the NSA or the Beale Cypher Association.

 

[cw0909]

reading around, friedmans wife helped on the beale stuff
her papers are at the Marshall Foundation too, wonder if
the letter from percy is in her file or williams'

have you seen any thomas beal's in your research in this information?

dont think any new or unknown tjb

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It's not... I looked; NICE file, tho.

 

[cw0909]

It's not... I looked; NICE file, tho.

man id like to know what that letter said

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"Google" Elizebeth Smith Friedman's Papers at the Marshall Foundation.

 

[cw0909]

Well...

usually deep

 

[cw0909]

"Google" Elizebeth Smith Friedman's Papers at the Marshall Foundation.

25$, hmmm maybe, maybe not
Research Request - Library

 

[ECS]

"Google" Elizebeth Smith Friedman's Papers at the Marshall Foundation.

Elizebeth Smith Friedman Collection Archives - Library

 

[franklin]

Sorry that page can not be found.

 

[ECS]

I corrected the link. It works now.

 

[Garry]

cw0909,

Thanks for sharing links for the NSA documents. I have largely ignored the Beal Cypher Study Committee proceedings, believing it to be only focused on solving the Beale ciphers, which was well beyond my interest.

I was impressed with the research of the “Beale Story” by Carl W. Nelson, although I’m sure that for many of you, it was commonly known information, but much of it was new to me.

Some of these documents may have been shared but, if so, I missed them. I don’t have answers yet but I do have questions that I hope some of you can provide actual documentation.

Carl noted several Newspaper articles in the Lynchburg Press and he provided an overview. While very helpful some items leave a lot of questions for me. My initial focus has been Robert and Sarah Morriss and one of the things I’m trying to get my arms around is how he gained and lost most of his wealth.

22 Feb 1819 John M. Otey announces purchase of Robert Morriss’ partnership with William Mitchell Jr.

29 Apr 1819 First evidence of Morriss’ financial problems are revealed in a sale of a Deed of Trust.

7 Sep 1819 10,000 Acres of Morriss’ land had been advertised ending with the sale of Morriss’ personal servants to satisfy a Deed of Trust to John M. Otey.

31 Mar 1820 Robert and Sarah Morriss’ sale of property to satisfy a Deed of Trust to William Mitchell, Jr.

Who is John M Otey?

Who is William Mitchell Jr.

How did Robert Morriss acquire his wealth?

Where was the 10,000 acres of land owned by Morriss? When did he purchase it?

Where would the Deeds for this land reside? Several Counties?

Just one more piece of the puzzle I would like to understand and I would appreciate any help.

Thanks in Advance,

Garry

 

[ECS]

Who is John M Otey?...

The Otey relationship to both James Beverly Ward and John William Sherman is discussed in my first post on "A LOOK AT JAMES BEVERLY WARD, AGENT FOR THE BEALE PAPERS" thread.

 

[cw0909]

garry if you search... carl w. nelson beale treasure
maybe something you could follow up on

JMO, ive gotten to the point, those mention in the beale papers existed between
1800-1880, and who ever did the cipher knew about ciphers, which i dont think
was a big interest to the gen pop then, so now im just trying to fig why do a
pamphlet when you knew it prob wouldnt make big $, if you thought it would,
you would have found another printer, and sold it through something like
the serials that sold then

 

[legrand]

Elizebeth Smith Friedman Collection Archives - Library

Elizebeth, born and raised a stone's throw away from where I live. The Marshall Foundation...been there...was in the audience!

 

[legrand]

Who knew?...

 

[ECS]

The SHADOW knows...