Tell-tell Poll

[bigscoop]

So let's see what people think? Below is a direct entry from the unknown author which begs the question; “How did the author know that there was still a missing papers?” So, with only three possible answers to this question let's see what people believe that answer might be? Take your pick from the three options offered in the poll;

Author entry:

".....may result in eventually bringing to light the missing paper."

 

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[franklin]

Everyone knows bigscoop that the missing paper was the letter containing the "KEY" that was never delivered. Yes the DOI may be the "KEY" especially after the author was able to find the meaning of C2 by using the first letter of each word of the DOI. But if this letter that was to be delivered in 1832 had the DOI as the "KEY" it may also gave an indication as to how the DOI was used to decipher C1 and C3. A "KEY" can be used in different ways it is not like a "KEY" to a "LOCK" that can only be inserted and extracted. A Cipher "KEY" can be used in several different ways. The "KEY" could use the second letter then the first letter by alternating between the two. It could use the last letter then the first or second letter alternating back and forth. There are hundreds of possibilities using the same DOI as the "KEY" Now back to research.

 

[ECS]

Everyone knows bigscoop that the missing paper was the letter containing the "KEY" that was never delivered...

...and that is stated in the Beale Papers story, and has been mentioned many times, one can not use quotes from the Beale Papers as proof to what is stated in the narrative text of the Beale story.
Now Claudine Fulton Ellis took that line about the "key" letter never being delivered and created an addendum to the 1885 Beale Papers, utilizing the "Jefferson" middle name from the HART PAPERS which was also employed by Pauline Innis in her GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE.
For all intents and purposes, the "missing key letter" is just literary plot development to draw in the unwary reader.

 

[legrand]

Everyone knows bigscoop that the missing paper was the letter containing the "KEY" that was never delivered. Yes the DOI may be the "KEY" especially after the author was able to find the meaning of C2 by using the first letter of each word of the DOI. But if this letter that was to be delivered in 1832 had the DOI as the "KEY" it may also gave an indication as to how the DOI was used to decipher C1 and C3. A "KEY" can be used in different ways it is not like a "KEY" to a "LOCK" that can only be inserted and extracted. A Cipher "KEY" can be used in several different ways. The "KEY" could use the second letter then the first letter by alternating between the two. It could use the last letter then the first or second letter alternating back and forth. There are hundreds of possibilities using the same DOI as the "KEY" Now back to research.

Great post, Franklin !! My take on your post is this: The only other way to use the DOI as a key is the last letter of the word. WHY? Because you can't use the second or third or fourth, etc., letter due to the DOI having one letter words like "a" for instance. The word "a" has a first letter of the word and a last letter of the word which are both "a". So, that's the reasoning behind ERE FEN DUE RED KNEE. This clear text is derived from all last letter of the words substitution. Great post, Franklin !!

 

[bigscoop]

Everyone knows bigscoop that the missing paper was the letter containing the "KEY" that was never delivered. Yes the DOI may be the "KEY" especially after the author was able to find the meaning of C2 by using the first letter of each word of the DOI. But if this letter that was to be delivered in 1832 had the DOI as the "KEY" it may also gave an indication as to how the DOI was used to decipher C1 and C3. A "KEY" can be used in different ways it is not like a "KEY" to a "LOCK" that can only be inserted and extracted. A Cipher "KEY" can be used in several different ways. The "KEY" could use the second letter then the first letter by alternating between the two. It could use the last letter then the first or second letter alternating back and forth. There are hundreds of possibilities using the same DOI as the "KEY" Now back to research.

Franklin, step back and consider the only three possible answers in this poll, and then your own explanation to the question posted. If, as you say, that the missing key is what the author was looking for, then how is it possible that he has a working key for C2? And remember, this key really didn't work for C2 as the author attempts to suggest it did in his narration, this going back to the unexplained gap/count in the key he proposes, as even you have pointed out yourself several times. So in essence, the DOI he used as key in his narration never worked as he suggested it did right from the very beginning. In fact, the only way his proposed key works at all is if he knowingly arranged it to do so. This is cold hard fact, an undisputed fact completely confirmed and conclusive by his own hand, "but not by his words!" The reality is simply that the author designed both the C2 codes, the key for those codes, and the clear text presented as the result of both.

Add to this, again by his own hand "and his words"....there is still a required missing paper in order to solve C3 & C1. If, as you suggest, that the presented DOI could be used any number of ways to solve the remaining two ciphers, then how does your author "know" that there is still a required missing paper? No possible way that he could know unless he already knew what that such a missing paper existed, or, if he only wanted his readers to believe that such a missing paper existed. One of these two answers has to be true, period. In either case that missing paper is still missing. PERIOD! Now what does this tell you about all of these various claims of certain remedy? It tells you, without shadow of doubt, that none of them can possibly be accurate. Again...."PERIOD! ANOTHER COLD HARD PROVEN AND CONCLUSIVE FACT!"

 

[bigscoop]

Great post, Franklin !! My take on your post is this: The only other way to use the DOI as a key is the last letter of the word. WHY? Because you can't use the second or third or fourth, etc., letter due to the DOI having one letter words like "a" for instance. The word "a" has a first letter of the word and a last letter of the word which are both "a". So, that's the reasoning behind ERE FEN DUE RED KNEE. This clear text is derived from all last letter of the words substitution. Great post, Franklin !!

Do you argue that no other such seemingly related text could be found in other portions of the same key? Of course not, you're fully aware that they could be found. So why focus on just this one when no such direct connection or provenance can be produced for doing so? Again, always self check the applied logic before applying.

...why not every third or forth word? Why not backwards? Why not vertical, etc., etc.? Dude, I'm going to have to buy you your very own nail gun and backhoe at this rate.

 

[ECS]

... So, that's the reasoning behind ERE FEN DUE RED KNEE...

Always with these red knee tarantula spiders, always.

 

[releventchair]

Well...the writer may or may not have been at school the day the seniors pulled their pre-graduation prank.

Staff and faculty chased little pigs all over the school ,eventually catching two of them . One had #1 painted on it ,and the other had #3 painted on it.
Staff and faculty then spent the remainder of the day on a wild goose chase trying to locate piggy # 2 ,to the delight of the students who knew only two pigs had been released.

 

[franklin]

Great post, Franklin !! My take on your post is this: The only other way to use the DOI as a key is the last letter of the word. WHY? Because you can't use the second or third or fourth, etc., letter due to the DOI having one letter words like "a" for instance. The word "a" has a first letter of the word and a last letter of the word which are both "a". So, that's the reasoning behind ERE FEN DUE RED KNEE. This clear text is derived from all last letter of the words substitution. Great post, Franklin !!

As I have told you previously, I do not believe you have anything. You may prove me wrong but I will gamble the odds. No one would go through the trouble to make up three cipher codes only to use 16 of the ciphers to say something absolutely ridiculous.

 

[bigscoop]

Well...the writer may or may not have been at school the day the seniors pulled their pre-graduation prank.

Staff and faculty chased little pigs all over the school ,eventually catching two of them . One had #1 painted on it ,and the other had #3 painted on it.
Staff and faculty then spent the remainder of the day on a wild goose chase trying to locate piggy # 2 ,to the delight of the students who knew only two pigs had been released.

.....I understand where you're going with that analogy.....sort of suggest that one of the pigs was just an illusion.

 

[bigscoop]

It's questions like the one in this poll that serve to silence so many of "certain claims of solve" seeings how this obvious conundrum has been submitted by the author's own hand. Clearly there are only three choices as to how the author could know that there was only one missing paper and not 2 or 3, none of the available real-world options serving the many certain claims of absolute solve and remedy being touted and promoted. So these folks just refuse to take part, continue to ignore and deny the real world aspects staring them square in the face.

 

[releventchair]

.....I understand where you're going with that analogy.....sort of suggest that one of the pigs was just an illusion.

An illusion maybe .But real enough in the minds or those seeking it....The evidence was there/ their.

 

[ECS]

...and those who built upon the original story starting with the Harts with others adding their own after facts like the lost "key" letter being found, and then lost again or the Beale treasure was never in Virginia but in Pennsylvania, and whatever that can be imagined for the Beale story.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

MORE to come...

 

[bigscoop]

By the way, selecting choice three in the poll still fails to explain how he knew there was only one missing paper and not 2 or 3 missing papers. So yes, that particular choice still leaves the question to only choices one and two.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

KILLJOY! It was a SET-UP!