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    A Million Dollar Question For You.....

    ...did J.B. Ward ever spend any amount of time in Jackson Ward, Richmond? And if so, what was he doing there? And last, who else was there?
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    Thomas J Beale, future alderman of Jackson Ward, and James Beverly Ward were both in Richmond at the same time and both served in the Confederate army.
    Could it be that Newton Hazelwood also knew this freeborn of color Beale, and that was the origin of the "Jefferson" for the middle "J" initial in the Hart Papers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Thomas J Beale, future alderman of Jackson Ward, and James Beverly Ward were both in Richmond at the same time and both served in the Confederate army.
    Could it be that Newton Hazelwood also knew this freeborn of color Beale, and that was the origin of the "Jefferson" for the middle "J" initial in the Hart Papers?
    Hogwash. James Beverly Ward was never accepted into the Confederate Army.

    Another post claims that Sherman's wife was the author of the article in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper. No way. Anna and her husband never moved to Roanoke until 1913 a full twenty years after the articles appearance in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper.

    And bigscoop I will say it again 1880's Richmond Thomas J. Beale had nothing at all to do with the story. If JBW wrote the story it was to do with the NO Beale that shot his grandfather Risque in a gun duel and fled to NO. You need to check out the Thomas J. Beale from Richmond during the right time frame. The son of Richard Eustus Beale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Hogwash. James Beverly Ward was never accepted into the Confederate Army.

    Another post claims that Sherman's wife was the author of the article in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper. No way. Anna and her husband never moved to Roanoke until 1913 a full twenty years after the articles appearance in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper.

    And bigscoop I will say it again 1880's Richmond Thomas J. Beale had nothing at all to do with the story. If JBW wrote the story it was to do with the NO Beale that shot his grandfather Risque in a gun duel and fled to NO. You need to check out the Thomas J. Beale from Richmond during the right time frame. The son of Richard Eustus Beale.
    Then you need to explain how R.E. Beale and his wife of European decent managed a freeborn child of color.........is there something in the water out your way? Look, Ward can be placed in Richmond and very close to that TJB of Richmond....this being the only TJB of record matching the narration's general description of its TJB, and this TJB WAS of the correct age. I don't believe in this type of coincidence. I also have nothing against men of color and fully recognize that there were many highly educated free men of color in the south during the era.
    Last edited by bigscoop; Aug 17, 2017 at 02:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    Then you need to explain how R.E. Beale and his wife of European decent managed a freeborn child of color.........is there something in the water out your way?
    I don't have to explain anything the description of Thomas J. Beale speaks for itself. Exposure to the sun does that to some people. Read the description it never says he was a man of "color."
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    I don't have to explain anything the description of Thomas J. Beale speaks for itself. Exposure to the sun does that to some people. Read the description it never says he was a man of "color."
    Wrong, your author only uses "as if exposure to the sun" in trying to detail the man's natural complexion, a complexion that never faded during his extended winter stays with Morriss....so how do you explain that impossibility? Face it, according to the author's "two winter descriptions" the TJB of the narration was a man of color....."period!" Something I'm sure is hard to accept in the south. I mean, can you imagine how this local legend turns face if it is discovered that TJB wasn't a while man! They'll probably close that new eatery.....
    Last edited by bigscoop; Aug 17, 2017 at 02:30 PM.
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    TJB being a man of color is not even on the table to consider. Morriss only wrote about his complexion one time maybe you should ask him to see how he looked when Spring came along. You are stretching fantasy just like everyone else then you ask them for provenance where is yours?

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    Morriss did NOT write that description, the "unknown author" wrote that based on what he was allegedly told by Morriss during the "2nd year of the Confederate War".
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    Yippee you got one right. Now where is your provenance. Got none right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    TJB being a man of color is not even on the table to consider. Morriss only wrote about his complexion one time maybe you should ask him to see how he looked when Spring came along. You are stretching fantasy just like everyone else then you ask them for provenance where is yours?
    UH, no, wrong again as the author makes it a point to reference the man's dark and swarthy complexion twice. Read the narration, you can't miss it. Really killing you that he might have been a man of color, isn't it. Can I ask why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Hogwash. James Beverly Ward was never accepted into the Confederate Army.

    Another post claims that Sherman's wife was the author of the article in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper. No way. Anna and her husband never moved to Roanoke until 1913 a full twenty years after the articles appearance in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper...
    It is interesting that you, Franklin, posted that very same information about Ward as a Confederate paymaster, and about Sherman's wife on other threads.
    Was it hogwash when you posted that or hogwash because I reposted that information?
    ...but I knew that it would get your attention.

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    Gentleman, stop the arguing, if this constant snipping, insulting and arguing continues your not going to like what steps are taken next. Warning applies to ALL..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treasure_Hunter View Post
    Gentleman, stop the arguing, if this constant snipping, insulting and arguing continues your not going to like what steps are taken next. Warning applies to ALL..
    You're right. Time to step away from all of this pointless bantering for a while. Maybe go recover some more real treasure.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    It is interesting that you, Franklin, posted that very same information about Ward as a Confederate paymaster, and about Sherman's wife on other threads.
    Was it hogwash when you posted that or hogwash because I reposted that information?
    ...but I knew that it would get your attention.
    I guess it would be good to check the facts before we post eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Hogwash. James Beverly Ward was never accepted into the Confederate Army.

    Another post claims that Sherman's wife was the author of the article in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper. No way. Anna and her husband never moved to Roanoke until 1913 a full twenty years after the articles appearance in the 1893 Roanoke Newspaper.

    And bigscoop I will say it again 1880's Richmond Thomas J. Beale had nothing at all to do with the story. If JBW wrote the story it was to do with the NO Beale that shot his grandfather Risque in a gun duel and fled to NO. You need to check out the Thomas J. Beale from Richmond during the right time frame. The son of Richard Eustus Beale.
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