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    Oh, go take a COLD shower!
    Well, I don't think Franklin needs a cold shower....just some direct connection.
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    ... What I am saying is----- there is a direct connection between Lynchburg, Campbell County and Danville, Pittsylvania County. And this could be the reason for the cipher codes? There was a lot of gold and silver that went unaccounted for at the end of the Civil War...
    One connection is CSA MAJOR Edward S Hutter (Ward's cousin) who saved CSA Sec Of State Judah P Benjamin's personal annotated copy of Vattel's LAW OF NATIONS which was employed as a Confederate code book, when both men, Davis's cabinet and the Confederate treasury were all in Danville after the fall of Richmond.
    This "connection" has been discussed many times over on these threads, and no "direct connection" has ever been established beyond speculation.
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    Franklin,

    Have you been able to pinpoint the location of Hunter’s Hill on a modern day map? I would appreciate even a ballpark location (Within 1 or two miles?)

    This is what I “think” I know!

    Newspaper excerpts; Death of James Beverly Ward

    Lynchburg News — May 17, 1907, Page 6, Column 6

    Mr. Ward resided the greater portion of his life at Hunter’s Hill,” six miles from Lynchburg, which had been the home of his grandfather, Major James Beverly Risque and which is now the shelter of the sixth generation, having been in the family for more than a hundred years.

    From Census data, we know that Hunter’s Hill was located in the Brookeville Magisterial District in Campbell County, Virginia. (This gives a very rough direction to the 6 miles notation)

    In the 1900 Brookville District Census we find James living with his daughter and son-in-law, Thomas Emory McVeigh at Hunter’s Hill. The census indicates that Thomas McVeigh is the owner of Hunter’s Hill and it is free of any mortgage?

    When James died in 1907, he and the Thomas McVeigh family had moved to Lynchburg (Died at 105 Harrison Street)

    Lynchburg News — May 18, 1907, Page 6, Column 7

    The interment was at the old family burying ground at “Hunter’s Hill,” Mr. Ward’s country home, where rest four generations of the family.

    Lynchburg News — June 2, 1907, Page 2, Column 4

    The remains were tenderly laid to rest in the old family grave yard at beautiful “Hunter’s Hill,” and by the side of the loving wife who shared his joys and sorrows until the “Master” said “Thy work on earth is done.”

    Who are the 4 generations buried in the Hunter’s Hill Cemetery?

    Who was the 6th Generation sheltered at Hunter’s Hill?

    I’m confusing “myself” so I better quit!

    Any help will be appreciated,

    Garry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Franklin,

    Have you been able to pinpoint the location of Hunter’s Hill on a modern day map? I would appreciate even a ballpark location (Within 1 or two miles?)

    This is what I “think” I know!

    Newspaper excerpts; Death of James Beverly Ward

    Lynchburg News — May 17, 1907, Page 6, Column 6

    Mr. Ward resided the greater portion of his life at Hunter’s Hill,” six miles from Lynchburg, which had been the home of his grandfather, Major James Beverly Risque and which is now the shelter of the sixth generation, having been in the family for more than a hundred years.

    From Census data, we know that Hunter’s Hill was located in the Brookeville Magisterial District in Campbell County, Virginia. (This gives a very rough direction to the 6 miles notation)

    In the 1900 Brookville District Census we find James living with his daughter and son-in-law, Thomas Emory McVeigh at Hunter’s Hill. The census indicates that Thomas McVeigh is the owner of Hunter’s Hill and it is free of any mortgage?

    When James died in 1907, he and the Thomas McVeigh family had moved to Lynchburg (Died at 105 Harrison Street)

    Lynchburg News — May 18, 1907, Page 6, Column 7

    The interment was at the old family burying ground at “Hunter’s Hill,” Mr. Ward’s country home, where rest four generations of the family.

    Lynchburg News — June 2, 1907, Page 2, Column 4

    The remains were tenderly laid to rest in the old family grave yard at beautiful “Hunter’s Hill,” and by the side of the loving wife who shared his joys and sorrows until the “Master” said “Thy work on earth is done.”

    Who are the 4 generations buried in the Hunter’s Hill Cemetery?

    Who was the 6th Generation sheltered at Hunter’s Hill?

    I’m confusing “myself” so I better quit!

    Any help will be appreciated,

    Garry
    Hi Garry,

    That has been a search of Rebel KGC and I for twenty years or more. It is difficult to find this plantation. The Historical Society has list of all cemeteries even private family cemeteries and you can find all of them listed on the Internet. Yet, Hunter's Hill Cemetery is not among this list. Hunter's Hill was sold by court order in 1870 to 1872. There were two purchasers one being a judge with ties to Campbell County, Pittsylvania and Henry Counties. He was also a judge in Danville, Va during the Civil War when the Confederate Treasury was shipped and buried. Where Hunter's Hill is located there is rumors of a CSA Treasure being buried of $5 Million Dollars in a well with an Acadia Tree planted over the Well. Rebel KGC is familiar with that legend also. I am still tracking down the two purchasers of this property but I am not finding anything as I mentioned before the records at the Rustburg, Va., Campbell County's Land Office is a MESS to find any information is almost impossible. But I will continue looking. You can download a website of the Campbell County Records for about $50. a month. In the long run I should have paid for the website as I have made at least fifty trips to their office and the drive is over 240 miles round trip. We will continue looking and maybe some day we will find the cemetery and just maybe Robert Morriss and Sarah his wife are buried there also. You most likely should look in Bedford County newspapers to see what they may have. I have found a few receipts but no address.

    P.S. James Beverly Ward's daughter did get 7 acres of this plantation and maybe the cemetery is located on her property?
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Hi Garry,

    That has been a search of Rebel KGC and I for twenty years or more. It is difficult to find this plantation. The Historical Society has list of all cemeteries even private family cemeteries and you can find all of them listed on the Internet. Yet, Hunter's Hill Cemetery is not among this list. Hunter's Hill was sold by court order in 1870 to 1872. There were two purchasers one being a judge with ties to Campbell County, Pittsylvania and Henry Counties. He was also a judge in Danville, Va during the Civil War when the Confederate Treasury was shipped and buried. Where Hunter's Hill is located there is rumors of a CSA Treasure being buried of $5 Million Dollars in a well with an Acadia Tree planted over the Well. Rebel KGC is familiar with that legend also. I am still tracking down the two purchasers of this property but I am not finding anything as I mentioned before the records at the Rustburg, Va., Campbell County's Land Office is a MESS to find any information is almost impossible. But I will continue looking. You can download a website of the Campbell County Records for about $50. a month. In the long run I should have paid for the website as I have made at least fifty trips to their office and the drive is over 240 miles round trip. We will continue looking and maybe some day we will find the cemetery and just maybe Robert Morriss and Sarah his wife are buried there also. You most likely should look in Bedford County newspapers to see what they may have. I have found a few receipts but no address.

    P.S. James Beverly Ward's daughter did get 7 acres of this plantation and maybe the cemetery is located on her property?
    Thanks! What was James Beverly Ward's daughters name?

    Garry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Thanks! What was James Beverly Ward's daughters name?

    Garry
    Her name was Ella. That was research I did about two months ago. I can not remember to whom she married. The best place to research is a webpage that "Old Silver" gave us before he left "Virginia Chancery Records" I have been going through old court records for the past two or three months. Great website.
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    ONE "clue" that I have is DREAMING CREEK (as a border); it is within sight of Sandusky, home of the Huttter Family (grand-sons of James Beverly Risque). It "connects" to Old Graves Mill Road... James Beverly Risque, himself (a War of 1812 Vet) is buried at the Presbyterian Grave yard on 2nd Street, L'burg, with other War of 1812 Vets; it is behind the grave-site of Maj. E.F. Hutter. May go there and do a seance after dark on Halloween, dunno. Will leave da wife at home... SHE can handle the kids, dressed up as ZOMBIES!
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Her name was Ella. That was research I did about two months ago. I can not remember to whom she married...
    Ella Risqué Ward, born in 1844 was the oldest of James Beverly and Harriet Emmaline Otey Ward's daughters.
    I haven't been able to find who she married.
    Adeline Virginia Ward, born 1846, married McVeigh, and was interviewed by Martha Rivers Adams in the 1930's for an article for the LYNCHBURG NEWS.
    Anne Morris Ward, born 1853, married William D Johns, who worked at ADAMS BROS & PAYNES, and supplied the letterhead stationary that Ward used to apply for copyright for the BEALE PAPERS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Hi Garry,

    That has been a search of Rebel KGC and I for twenty years or more. It is difficult to find this plantation. The Historical Society has list of all cemeteries even private family cemeteries and you can find all of them listed on the Internet. Yet, Hunter's Hill Cemetery is not among this list. Hunter's Hill was sold by court order in 1870 to 1872. There were two purchasers one being a judge with ties to Campbell County, Pittsylvania and Henry Counties. He was also a judge in Danville, Va during the Civil War when the Confederate Treasury was shipped and buried. Where Hunter's Hill is located there is rumors of a CSA Treasure being buried of $5 Million Dollars in a well with an Acadia Tree planted over the Well. Rebel KGC is familiar with that legend also. I am still tracking down the two purchasers of this property but I am not finding anything as I mentioned before the records at the Rustburg, Va., Campbell County's Land Office is a MESS to find any information is almost impossible. But I will continue looking. You can download a website of the Campbell County Records for about $50. a month. In the long run I should have paid for the website as I have made at least fifty trips to their office and the drive is over 240 miles round trip. We will continue looking and maybe some day we will find the cemetery and just maybe Robert Morriss and Sarah his wife are buried there also. You most likely should look in Bedford County newspapers to see what they may have. I have found a few receipts but no address.

    P.S. James Beverly Ward's daughter did get 7 acres of this plantation and maybe the cemetery is located on her property?
    Garry, Sorry but I was wrong about the seven acres. His daughter did not get the land. It was "Eliza Bennett" or "Eliza Burnett"? Could be spelled either way by the handwriting. The land was 7 acres 1 rod and 7 poles. She bought the land in 1847. So the cemetery must be on the 35 acres owned by James Beverly Risque's daughter Adeline Ward. Now to find out where that is located is not going to be easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Garry, Sorry but I was wrong about the seven acres. His daughter did not get the land. It was "Eliza Bennett" or "Eliza Burnett"? Could be spelled either way by the handwriting. The land was 7 acres 1 rod and 7 poles. She bought the land in 1847. So the cemetery must be on the 35 acres owned by James Beverly Risque's daughter Adeline Ward. Now to find out where that is located is not going to be easy.
    Very interesting!! This makes a lot of sense.

    It appears from the census and other information that Adeline married Thomas Emory McVeigh in 1869 and they show up living with her father, James Beverly Ward, in the 1870, 1880 and 1900 census.

    Thomas and Adeline McVeigh shared the home at Hunter's Hill, with James Beverly Ward for over 30 years.

    In fact Thomas E. Emory was the Census Enumerator for a portion of the Brookville Magisterial District in Cambell County where Hunter's Hill was located. He recorded the Cenesu in 1880 and 1900 and he also recorded the Mortality Schedule in 1880. Emory listed his Occupation in 1870 as a Clerk and in 1880 as a School Teacher and finally a Farmer in 1900.

    Maybe it was Emory who co-authored the Beale Pamphlet with James Ward? Opportunity, ability, connection.
    (It seems to me that he may be as good a candidate as John William Sherman) But this is all speculation and nothing to set down as fact either way. BTW, I did like Greeves' Sherman connection but it is certainly nothing I would take to the bank as FACT.

    Franklin, You obviously have access to a lot of deeds and I can understand any reluctance you may have about sharing your hard earned research before you have completed your analysis. So please ignore these questions if you are uncomfortable!

    The deed identifying Adeline and the 35 acres; Is it a deed selling or is it the deed she obtained the property with? Or both? Also can you date the deeds?

    Thanks,

    Garry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Very interesting!! This makes a lot of sense.

    It appears from the census and other information that Adeline married Thomas Emory McVeigh in 1869 and they show up living with her father, James Beverly Ward, in the 1870, 1880 and 1900 census.

    Thomas and Adeline McVeigh shared the home at Hunter's Hill, with James Beverly Ward for over 30 years.

    In fact Thomas E. Emory was the Census Enumerator for a portion of the Brookville Magisterial District in Cambell County where Hunter's Hill was located. He recorded the Cenesu in 1880 and 1900 and he also recorded the Mortality Schedule in 1880. Emory listed his Occupation in 1870 as a Clerk and in 1880 as a School Teacher and finally a Farmer in 1900.

    Maybe it was Emory who co-authored the Beale Pamphlet with James Ward? Opportunity, ability, connection.
    (It seems to me that he may be as good a candidate as John William Sherman) But this is all speculation and nothing to set down as fact either way. BTW, I did like Greeves' Sherman connection but it is certainly nothing I would take to the bank as FACT.

    Franklin, You obviously have access to a lot of deeds and I can understand any reluctance you may have about sharing your hard earned research before you have completed your analysis. So please ignore these questions if you are uncomfortable!

    The deed identifying Adeline and the 35 acres; Is it a deed selling or is it the deed she obtained the property with? Or both? Also can you date the deeds?

    Thanks,

    Garry
    It is hard to explain when it comes to deeds. I have seen a landowner give a trust deed to someone else, the person with the trust deed sells land or lots to six different families and then if the trust deed owner never gets a "full deed of conveyance" then the purchasers lose their land and improvements. Don't understand deeds.

    The land deeds of James Beverly Ward are very complex and I mean very complex. When he was sued over notes or debts the Clerks of the Court could not even furnish deeds or how much land he owned only taxes he paid. I have seen where the land was owned upwards of 35 years from purchases and still the deed was stopped and they did not own the land they had lived on for 35 years. I have seen purchasers of property of James Beverly Ward when he came down to finding their court records all of the court files were missing. There was only a note saying the records had been removed with authority and they would return the files. No files were returned. File empty.

    James Beverly Ward made out deeds in 1849 that were later nullified by the courts in 1870, twenty-one years later. He sold land in 1847 and in 1860 and he sold to two different landowners in 1849. One could not come up with the payments or notes and it was sold to another purchasers.

    I wish I could answer your questions but there is no answer. The 35 acres was sold off with another larger track and then there was another larger track with two smaller tracks. Which is the good deeds? And which are legitimate deeds I do not know. It is not easy to find anything with Campbell County Court Records, they are the worst I have ever encountered. Records kept back in the late 1790's to early 1800's in other counties have kept better records. It really makes the process of elimination impossible. I have even researched their neighbors tracks of land hoping to find where this land is located but no good either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Ella Risqué Ward, born in 1844 was the oldest of James Beverly and Harriet Emmaline Otey Ward's daughters.
    I haven't been able to find who she married.
    Adeline Virginia Ward, born 1846, married McVeigh, and was interviewed by Martha Rivers Adams in the 1930's for an article for the LYNCHBURG NEWS.
    Anne Morris Ward, born 1853, married William D Johns, who worked at ADAMS BROS & PAYNES, and supplied the letterhead stationary that Ward used to apply for copyright for the BEALE PAPERS.
    I believe Ellla married Allanson N. Caulkins. Ella shows up in Florida in the 1880 census. It seems at least 5 of Ward's children left Lynchburg fairly early.

    The quick and dirty way of dealing with the children of James Beverly Ward is to use his obituary. It names all 8 of his living children. Four children are living in Florida, One is in Tenness and the remaining three are in Lynchburg. The two daughters you mentioned and a son Charles Bell Ward. I believe the Obit has been posted here previously but if not or it is difficult to find, I can repost it here if there is any interest.

    One other comment; I'm going from memory but I believe the Hart brothers contacted Ward about 1903 and his son was present. That would seem to be Charles Bell Ward but I have my reservations and believe it is more likely that this was his son-in-law Thomas McVeigh. All the census, directories and the obituary seem to put Ward with his son-in-laws family until his death in 1907. The sources for Charles Bell don't hint that Ward ever lived with him.

    Thomas McVeigh begns showing up in the Lynchburg City directories in 1907. [105 Harrison] (I didn't make a very in depth search and there might be an earlier directory?] We know they were there living at 105 Harrison by 1907 from the Obit. Perhaps this is about the time they moved from Hunter's Hill to town?

    Glad to see you are still involved in researching, Maybe there's no gold but it's still a fascinating story that has caputured the imagination of many!

    Garry

    P. S. I screwed up again. I reread the Hart papers and it was Charles Bell Ward who was present when Clayton Hart visitd in 1903. He identified the son as a Mail Transfer Cleck and that was Charles Bell Ward, not Mcveigh.
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    Yes, all of your information is correct. There is another thing or two you should know. The house at 105 Harrison Street. James Beverly Ward died there as you stated. Charles Bell Ward died there. And Thomas Ward which was Charles Bell Ward's son, he died there also. Are you sure about Ella marrying Allanson N. Caulkins? I can find nothing on her or whatever happened to her. When did they show up in Florida?

    I have not seen the Obit. I have seen the cemetery records.
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    Alanson N Caulking and Ella Risqué Ward Caulking are listed in the Santa Rosa county Deed Books A 1869-1873/ page 643-644.
    Santa Rosa county is located in Florida's western panhandle, and was created in 1842.
    NOTE: James Beverly Risqué was with Gen Andrew Jackson on his Florida campaign in Spanish Florida that led to the Adams-Onis Treaty. Andrew Jackson became the first governor of Florida, Risqué hosted a banquet in Lynchburg for Jackson, Rev Clays gave the benediction, and Pascal Buford was also in attendance.
    James Beverly Risqué applied for a position in the Florida government, but never received it.
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