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  1. #31

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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    C.C. Moss, CW vet, sheriff of Green Co.Don't think detect'n gets any better than to find a verifiable part of history.

    Great find TSGMan, one of the best I've seen!
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  2. #32
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    Quote Originally Posted by tsgman
    Thanks Gypsy, that is a cool story. I have read some items on that site but missed that particular one. My GG Grandfather was also a sheriff of Greene Co. He was the 4th one and was in office two terms in the 1870's The famous picture of Wild Bill wearing his Union frock jacket with the Eagle belt plate and both pistols in his holster in reverse, came from a relative of mine. They sold it a few years ago, it was in a family photo album. Dan Fouts bought it a few years ago. Fouts was the Quarterback for the San Diego Chargers football team. He collects old Cowboy photo's. I was told he paid twelve thousand dollars for it. You know the saying you can pick your friends but not your relatives! Tsgman
    Unreal...I wouldnt have sold it....I have some older volumes of Civil War records and will look for more on Moss if you need them ....
    I go a great distance,while some are considering whether they will start today or tomorrow

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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    Great story Tsgman....Finding Relics that link something or someone to past History is a special find. Then finding the information is the best part , Not knowing what info your gonna find or the places or the person themselves who are involved....Make those finds exceptional....I myself have found a Relic from the Civil war that had a name on it...It's a commemorative medal give to a Union Soldier who was captured at the battle of Plymouth and escorted as a Prisoner to Andersonville ,GA during the war....When I have a little more info on this piece I will post the story.....and for you Gypsyheart ,you have given some excellent insite and research for many of the finds posted in this forum...I also want to thank you for your help with my Medal as well as Tsgmans....... Seeker 8)
    Keep on Digging!

  4. #34
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    Gypsyheart~ Queen of Rust

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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    Now I truly feel that I have been honored by some of the best researchers and detectors on this forum. Its your finds that provide me with the research material to go on. You know I love 1812 and CW, so you keep finding it and I will happily research it for you. And thank you for providing me with such great material to help you with because it has kept me from going insane this winter as I cant dig in this frozen tundra!!!!!
    I go a great distance,while some are considering whether they will start today or tomorrow

  5. #35

    Jan 2006
    Irving Texas
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    Truely amazing find - and research. 2 gold medals for Gypsy and Tsgman. Thanks a bunch for sharing.

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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    Gypsy, thanks for your info. I mentioned Moss was Sheriff when in fact he was the Marshall of Springfield. My Great Great Grandfather C.B. Owen was the Sheriff of Greene Co. in 1872 and was relected again around 1874 or close to that. So They would have known each other and worked together chasing bad guys and so on. My Grandfather told me a story when I was a kid about how his grandfather [Sheriff C.B. Owen} was the principle guide for Gen. Sigel when Lyon attacked Price at Wilson's creek. Sigel was routed by a regiment from Louisanna, he thought they were from Iowa. Anyway, His Grandfather was interviewed years later and asked how he eccaped without being shot, killed or captured and he replied that " I had a dam fast horse! " Thanks again, Tsgman
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    tsgman.....do I know you. BTW TSGMAN is the VP of the Ozark Mountain Treasure Hunters if anyone is looking to meet him in person. Maybe get some tips.

    Congrats on the find. You been back over to that creek lately?

  8. #38
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    Hey Chris how's the ankle? BTW, Chris is the Secretary for our Club, and produces our news letter. He really is good! Tsgman
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  9. #39

    Mar 2005
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    PLAIN AND SIMPLE, I AM IMPRESSED.....it is always a great feeling to be able to tie ones history into your own, most people will never know what it is like to hold onto something that was lost along time ago, and be able to trace it to a historical person.
    great job.
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  10. #40
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    Nov 2005
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    So far I have found 11 CC Moss's from that time frame , but narrowed the information down to the one that lived in the vicinity of where the token was found......
    The Dyers County TN Moss is as follows:
    Charles C. Moss
    Company G. Enlisted December 1, 1863 in Dyer Co., TN, by Col. Bell for 3 years or the war. Present on roll for Mar/April 1864 as Private. On roll for May/June 1864 as Private, "On extra duty since Feb. 1, 1864. Sergt. Major Russell Regiment. Mustered on Field & Staff roll." Present on Field & Staff roll for Feb/April 1864 as Sergeant Major, "Appointed Sergt. Major Feb. 5, 1864." Present on Field & Staff roll for May/June 1864.
    On report (as Sgt. Major) of absentees and deserters, Verona MS, Feb. 28, 1865. Residence Dyer Co. TN; probable whereabouts Dyer.
    Source: Compiled Service Records
    also
    Company G composed of 108 men was raised in Carter and Johnson County, Tennessee.13th Tennessee Cavalry, U.S. Army 1863- 1865, although I find no CCMoss listed when this was made.


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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    SWR, Thanks for the info. I am in Southern Missouri. C.C. Moss was the Sheriff of Springfield Mo. around the same time as my GG Grandfather was the Sheriff of Greene Co. Mo. They would have been in the same town basically. Wild Bill came into Springfield Mo. a lot to play cards at the saloon on the square. He also ran for Sheriff once but lost by a few votes. When he lost his pocket watch to Dave Tutt in a card game he told Tutt he had better not let him catch him wearing this watch around town. He actually came to town the next day looking for Tutt. He was checking to see if he was wearing his watch, and of course he was and the rest is history. They met each other on the square. In those days it was more duel like, in that one guy would stand still and the other would take a shot. If that guy missed it was the other guy's turn. Tutt missed and Wild Bill Shot him in the heart, from around 70 yards away It was said that Bill rested his gun on his forearm and took aim and shot in that style, of course this was quite a famous gun fight and propelled Bill into his wild reputation as a fierce gunfighter. All this in turn evolved into the Texas twist draw, and speed was the mark of a great gunslinger. One of my relatives helped bail Bill out of jail. This is how we think this photo got into that family album. Bill was defended by the future Governor of Mo. John Phelps and was acquitted. From some old newspaper accounts of the entire event say Bill came to town with the intent of shooting Tutt. And they were complaining that he got away with it.
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    I brought this story back to ask how many of you knew about this story about Wild Bill and the killing of Dave Tutt? From what I have read this possibly was the first gunfight of this type, You remember, like on Gunsmoke Matt Dillon always ended up on main street in a fast draw against a bad guy. Supposedly this fight by Wild Bill and Tutt started a new trend of gunfighting. That evolved into the fast draw style. Anyway I wanted to ask that question because it supposedly all started in Springfield. Mo. Thanks Tsgman
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  13. #43
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    Gypsyheart~ Queen of Rust

    Nov 2005
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    I am not sure if that was the first public gunfight , because duels were fought many times previous , but to call some one out into the street ....that might have been a first..... in a book called
    Otero, Miguel, My Life on the Frontier 1864-1882 PUB.1936, it states that gunfights were not common in that nature until this event in Springfield and it all began with....you guessed it ....a fight over a woman! It says Tutt also stole Wild Bills pocket watch and brazenly bragged around town that he would strut up and down Mains St wearing his enemy's watch.......and Wild Bill wouldnt be able to do anything about it.......evidentally he strutted....but not for long....Tutts bullet missed and Wild Bills went straight through Tutts heart.....
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    Gypsy, I think the Tutt's were used to getting what they wanted. From what I understand they came from Yellville, Ar. and they pretty much bullied the local law and citizens. Someone told me they had a big shootout with authorities in Yellville. I also read that Tutt and Bill liked the same girl. I wonder what the jury would have decided if John Phelps were not around to defend Bill in that trial. He could have been hanged. I suppose the only thing that saved him was Tutt shot first. And again I think that was the way the Tutt's did business in Yellville! Shoot first, talk second! Thanks again for the info, Tim
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    Re: 1875 English cent, used as id tag. Tsgman

    You probally saw this ..... http://www.fpcc.net/~sgrimm/davis_tutt.htm
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