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  1. #436
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodgerdodger View Post
    I don't think the museum is looking for more info.
    I work for our local museum during the summer months. We also do research for people. If something isn't found right away things get put on the back burner. Some people are real good at finding things, I am not. Gotta bug the right person. Here it is the curator, but our museum is small.
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    I think that if the person that wrote the note would have signed and dated it that it would have been more interesting.

  3. #438
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    I think it's much more likely he was a patient that worked at the quarry or got out and farmed. The inmates probably got the 25 year old order forms from the on-site butcher when the storage was cleaned out and the 10+ year old 1926 stationary to write on. The writing sounds delusional recalling names from the past in Iowa. Same names and more talk about "robery" occurs in the second buried letter. I suspect he buried scores of these ramblings out there. The odds of the OP finding the only two a block apart from each other are astronomical. My amateur handwriting analysis puts the guy at about 60 when this stuff was written. He did have good penmanship but certainly didn't spell that well. If he was born ca 1880 it fits in that he was training at Ford (letter #2) ca 1900. References to crazy and kook in letter #2 are telling and letter #2 is even more disjointed. Notice Mayo's Hospital (perhaps psych part if they had it) is mentioned in letter 2. I'm sure the guy stems from Linn County, Iowa.

    What years did the CCC build these places. Wouldn't most of the names mentioned be too old ca 1930?

    Great sleuthing and fascinating thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909 View Post
    note writer might have been an employ at state hos. in rochester
    i think these are live links

    Rochester State Hospital (operated 1879-1982)

  4. #439
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    I had forgotten about this thread... It's a really good one.

    So, I went back and read through it again (whew!).

    I think our approach has been wrong. It isn't a government sponsored organization that's bringing them together. It's Union or political business. Possibly connected to the Farm-Labor Party. 1930 - 36 Minnesota governor was a Farm-Labor Party candidate.

    In the early part of the 20th C, the Mid-West was a hot-bed for labor/union organizations. "Milk Wagon" and "yelling in the road" may refer to the Milk Wagon Drivers Union protests/strikes. The "boss" reference also fits the union narrative as does the threat of violence and intimidation not uncommon in that era.

    I know that doesn't get us much closer, but it does provide a new angle for research.
    "It's a long time between drinks."
    Attributed to John Motley Morehead
    Governor - North Carolina - 1843

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    Hi Matt, Not sure if you were aware but the OP found three different messages. Interestingly a "boss" is mentioned in all three letters. Here's my best effort at a transcription of the first one that was found (below). Joe Holets is mentioned in two letters. In one letter he's referenced as "crazy Joe Holets.". The dated letter (Aug 5, 1937) references "Ford car company of 1894, Me in school in Monroe [Monroe Township in Linn County?] Cedar Rapids Ia [Iowa] work with Henry Ford there all time..." This third letter has many additional references.

    First letter:

    Henness[e]y [Patrick Hennessey?, b. 1864, C.R. Ward 1]
    Boss 1894
    out side
    Mother’s house
    C. R. Ia [abbreviation for Cedar Rapids, Iowa]
    come clean
    from B (?)
    Man/Min (?)
    me want
    a old Home
    from state
    hospital

    as pay for
    crooks in
    on a long
    time fraud (?)
    ____ crooks
    found/framed
    Hennessy
    come there
    next day for
    the Home (?)
    he said [to]
    take him ___
    of work
    not leave
    him w__

    Dated letter:

    Aug 5, 1937
    Ford car company of 1894

    Me in school
    in Monroe [Monroe Township in Linn County?]
    Cedar Rapids
    Ia [Iowa]
    work with
    Henry Ford
    there all time
    so they get a
    autto (sic) / ford and
    how to build it

    [Calendar page: Thursday 7 January 1926]
    Freddy Lowery
    his son Lowery
    at this date

    ford plant -
    him only one
    op[en] (?) him so
    him drunk fired
    him
    he Betty (Belly?) Low calf
    1897 put Lowrey there


    [Calendar page: Saturday 9 January 1926]
    Lowery ford
    calf robber
    of 1895 - 96
    crazy Joe Holets
    robed (sic) me for
    him
    Lowery
    Just a
    c____ robber
    as they told him
    in church 1903


    [Calendar page: Sunday 10 January 1926]
    Lowery Boss
    him now a
    Job for his son
    and for him
    too
    that was no
    too Head nurse
    wanted a job for
    his daughter him
    and there be a
    Lowery there and
    for his son too
    ford plant


    [Calendar page: Monday 11 January 1926]
    N.B. that this entry in different hand appears to be contemporary with the calendar date regarding work performed by employees of hospital.

    Barnes + Hong on Duty
    Painting of pavilion
    ___ created (?) Inf (informal?) dining Room


    [Calendar page: Monday 11 January 1926 (upside-down due to existing entry)]
    teacher said
    alll (sic) ford wanted
    to do how to
    build it he
    never give me
    a thing and
    let me have a
    thing for it only (sic)
    rob me f*ck me
    with a__g___ so
    he could have
    the factory


    [Calendar page: Friday 6 January 1926 (upside-down)]
    old Lady
    kook here
    same robber in
    a cottage too
    she her (?) son
    again Mayo
    Hospital him
    and ford the
    same Krook (?)
    *ss Holes
    of 1893

  6. #441
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    I was not aware of the other notes/letters. Is there a thread showing them? I'd like to see the originals.

    Based on your translation it sounds like the ravings of a lunatic...

    There was no Ford car company in 1894. Henry Ford was chief engineer at the Edison Illuminating Company in Detroit at that time.
    "It's a long time between drinks."
    Attributed to John Motley Morehead
    Governor - North Carolina - 1843

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    Here is a link to the first letter that was found:

    Old Whiskey bottle with a letter in it.

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