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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Here's one of mine.
    Nice! Good image, too!

    These long neck wine bottles are dated to circa 1760s, and I admire the form.

    Your long-neck wine is the first I've seen with a molette mark. The molette was a rod, sometimes with a toothed head, that was used to make the kick-up before the pontil rod was attached. The molette was in common use, but unless it had a toothed head, it didn't make an obvious impression.

    I just checked, and none of my long-neck wines have the toothed molette mark. Before now, I've seen these marks only on onion bottles. Here is an image of the base of an onion bottle on which a toothed molette was used. I think you can make out the ring of toothmarks around the pontil scar.

    Thanks for sharing. Show us some more of your black glass bottles.


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Thanks for the great info. I collect mostly pontil Meds and Sodas. Have a few Black Glass Items. Here is a Onion I have.
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Thanks for the great info. I collect mostly pontil Meds and Sodas. Have a few Black Glass Items. Here is a Onion I have.
    Nice bottles, 'Road Dog'! I like your onion -- Dutch or German, don't you think? Does it have the molette mark?

    I have a few bottles of most categories, but I think I have more black glass than anything else. Here are my window bottles:


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Purty Window Shot! Love the Gins!. The Onion if I had to guess ...Dutch. It has no molette mark.

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Purty Window Shot! Love the Gins!. The Onion if I had to guess ...Dutch. It has no molette mark.
    Thank you, 'Road Dog' -- the gins are pretty good, late 1700s, I think. My favorite bottle in the window, though, is not a case bottle. It is the sherry wine bottle.

    This sherry bottle has an applied seal that says XERES. The word is the name of the wine and the name of the town that for centuries has produced this wine. "Sherry" is the English corruption of "Xeres" and "Jerez." Xeres was the name given to the city after it was re-taken from the Moors by the Crusaders. Jerez de la Frontera is in the province of Andalusia, Spain. The bottle was recovered in France.

    The bottle itself is heavy and crude -- a good scatter of small air bubbles. The color is a pale olive-green. It has slight roughness from application of a pontil rod. There are no seams or mold-marks! The bottle appears to have been free-blown and marvered! The neck is thick and full of stretch-marks. It is a very well-made bottle, that has tons of character when you see it up close.


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Very Nice ! One heck of a kick -up too!

  7. #22
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Very Nice ! One heck of a kick -up too!
    It IS a remarkable kick-up, isn't it!

    I have a common Bordeaux bottle that I keep just because it has such a deep kick-up. It dates to the mid-1800s. You can compare it to the XERES (sherry) wine bottle.


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    The "standard" wine bottle volume is 0.75 to 0.78 liters. The volume of this bottle is 0.69 liters.

    This is no "cheat" bottle such as Van den Bossche features on the dust-jacket of his book, but you can see that such big kick-ups work in favor of the vintner (and against the consumer). Later, mold-blown and machine-blown bottles ended the variations in volume.
    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Here's another black glass bottle with a special purpose. It's a preserving bottle used to hold truffles (not the chocolates!). Truffles are fungi which grow underground on the roots of oak trees (I believe it's oaks). They are searched out by specially trained dogs or pigs. They are an expensive delicacy.

    This French bottle is perhaps the blackest glass I own. It was recovered near London. It's heavy with a an applied string lip. It's free-blown with an iron pontil scar. I have seen these rarely in colorless glass, but most are this super-black color. This is a traditional shape for truffles bottles.


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    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    Here are two black glass bottles I like. One is a an "octagonal" (notice the bevelled corners). It dates to the late 1700s. This little bottle could have contained almost anything from medicine to whiskey.

    The onion is often called a horse's hoof onion because of the shape. It was probably made in Belgium in the early part of the 1700s. Again, such a bottle could have contained anything, but it was commonly used for spirits.

    No one else got a black glass bottle to show off
    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Dude you are happinin in Black Glass! Here is a 3 piece Mold I have. Excuse my kitchen light pics.

    I can't say I remember seeing a Truffle Bottle. WOW!
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Dude you are happinin in Black Glass! Here is a 3 piece Mold I have. Excuse my kitchen light pics.

    I can't say I remember seeing a Truffle Bottle. WOW!
    Who does not admire these durable utility bottles! Your bottle looks to fall into that 1830-1860 range -- not unlike the two 3-mold bottles I posted earlier in this thread (I didn't label them, but you can see the mold-marks). Your bottle appears to have the satin patina of a river bottle -- are you a river diver, 'Road Dog'?

    Here's one you'll appreciate: iron ("improved") pontil, HOPKINS / CHALYBEATE / BALTIMORE


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Not a diver , but I have waded in some sounds and river for stuff. LOL. The Hopkins..........What can ya say? I know some Baltimore collectors that would love that one not to mention myself. I have a old Houck's bottle from Baltimore.
    I once entertained tumbling that bottle, but I think the patina adds to the character.

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Not a diver , but I have waded in some sounds and river for stuff. LOL. The Hopkins..........What can ya say? I know some Baltimore collectors that would love that one not to mention myself. I have a old Houck's bottle from Baltimore.
    I once entertained tumbling that bottle, but I think the patina adds to the character.
    I understand about the patina; I have a few on my shelf that have the same satin finish.

    After posting here a few of my older images, I decided that I need to do some over. Here's one I did this afternoon. It fits this thread 'cause the bottle is about the same age as your black glass bottle, probably 1850s. It's a 3-mold bottle, made in a Ricketts patent mold. The bottle appears more yellow-olive than in this image, I think.


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Great Bottle! Almost bought one with the Ricketts embossed around the base a month ago. I'll get one sooner or later.

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Great Bottle! Almost bought one with the Ricketts embossed around the base a month ago. I'll get one sooner or later.
    Here's an uncommon Ricketts patent (or a knock-off) bottle. The bottle looks fairly routine, unremarkable even, UNTIL you turn it downside-up. In the underside, you can see the 18th century heritage of glass-blowing in the early 19th century.

    The Ricketts patent was issued in 1821, and there was a rush to take advantage of this revolutionary technology for producing uniform bottles at a rapid rate. Apparently, Archibald Sinclair invested in one of these early 3-piece mold machines.

    I don't know anyone else with one of these A. Sinclair bottles. I finally managed to find someone in Liverpool who looked into the old city directories for the information I have.


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

 

 
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