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  1. #31
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    [font=comic sans ms] Here's a bottle that was made for a considerable while in the 1800s -- this one probably dates to the 1840s. Later bottles are found in many color variants from loden to teal. The embossing on four panels reads:
    DR. TOWNSEND'S
    SARSAPARILLA
    ALBANY, N.Y.
    II
    [size=14pt]The base has a glass pontil scar. It's very heavy and is a very dark yellow-olive amber.


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    I've always liked those Townsends. I'll have one if the price is right. I use to have some Wolfies back in the day. The large pontilled ones are shaped similar.

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Wolfies?? Is that the schnapps bottle?

    I found one of these Dr. Townsend's bottles in a river. It was covered in slime and barnacles -- I thought it was a brick when I picked it up. Imagine my surprise and delight! This is the one I found:


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Yeah ,the Schnapps. WOW!, what a find. Did you give it a acid bath?

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Sold this beauty a few years ago.
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Yeah ,the Schnapps. WOW!, what a find. Did you give it a acid bath?
    Yes, I am mighty proud of that Dr. Townsend's bottle. Acid bath? It's been so long ago that I don't remember. Probably used vinegar (acetic acid) -- is there a better way to clean it up?

    Your blob-top sodas look so clean. Do you tumble your own bottles? (I ask because you said earlier that you were tempted to tumble your black glass utility bottle.) I've thought about investing in a tumbler, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

    I really like your snuff bottle! I would have had a hard time letting it go. Those little American utility bottles are fascinating, but they are expensive to collect 'cause they're in such demand. Did the label add a lot to the value of your snuff?

    Here's another American form that I like:


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

  7. #37
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    The label did not add as much value as I would have liked. Those little beauties are very collectible! Stoddard?
    I don't have a tumbler, I know some folks here and there that have them though.
    I was thinking muriatic acid cleaning. Your method is safer.

  8. #38
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Here are a couple of food preserving jars from the first half of the nineteenth century. Both of these are free-blown with glass pontil scars.

    While these jars appear olive-green and not "black," bottle collectors accept early glass in all of these shades - pale olive-green to green-black - as "black glass."

    These jars were closed with a bit of waxed cloth secured with string around the neck.


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    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Pristis
    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Yeah ,the Schnapps. WOW!, what a find. Did you give it a acid bath?
    [font=comic sans ms][size=14pt]Yes, I am mighty proud of that Dr. Townsend's bottle. Acid bath? It's been so long ago that I don't remember. Probably used vinegar (acetic acid) -- is there a better way to clean it up?
    In the absence of a bottle tumbler, will vinegar do a comparable job in removing the "haze" from old bottle digs?
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Pristis
    Quote Originally Posted by Road Dog
    Yeah ,the Schnapps. WOW!, what a find. Did you give it a acid bath?
    [font=comic sans ms]Yes, I am mighty proud of that Dr. Townsend's bottle. Acid bath? It's been so long ago that I don't remember. Probably used vinegar (acetic acid) -- is there a better way to clean it up?


    In the absence of a bottle tumbler, will vinegar do a comparable job in removing the "haze" from old bottle digs?

    [size=14pt]I think 'Road Dog' had barnacle traces in mind when he asked about the acid bath.

    The "haze" - the sickness - usually is not caused by mineral stains. Mineral stains are easily removed with vinegar or commercial bathroom cleaners.

    The sickness is a result of the decomposition of the glass . . . some of the components of the glass are dissolving. The silica is more resistant to this process than the soda and lime, so the glass is dissolving irregularly (on a microscopic scale). This irregular (or etched) surface refracts light so that the glass appears cloudy.

    There is no good way to restore the surface of the glass except by abrasive polishing it. This is done by tumbling the bottle with abrasive grit and bits of copper wire (to give the grit some heft).

    Oiling the surface is about as good as you can do short of tumble-polishing a bottle.

    How about showing us some of your black glass, 'Buckleboy'!
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Hey, I have very little in the way of black glass. I'm fairly new to bottle digging. I messed around in an old dump from the turn of the century when I was a kid, but forgot about digging bottles until I stumbled on a few nice ones recently. Now I'm trying to get some privy-dig permissions. So hopefully I'll find some keepers soon.


    Is there any way to hand-polish out the sickness? I know this would be a lot of work, with some very fine polish, but is this possible? Would something like Soft Scrub be too abrasive--and would it even work in the first place?



    Thank you for your replies to my questions.



    Regards,



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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    I have no experience with hand-buffing glass. It's usually the inside surface of the bottle that is the problem.
    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Pristis
    I have no experience with hand-buffing glass. It's usually the inside surface of the bottle that is the problem.
    I understand. If my dug collection grows, I may have to invest in a tumbler.


    Best Wishes,



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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    After explaining that "black glass" is really some shade of olive-green (or olive-amber) in early glass, I must say that there is another sort of black glass. Other colors, without the olive tint, can be so dark as to appear black in normal light.

    Here's an example of such a bottle which is "black-amethyst" in color. This demijohn dates to the turn of the turn of the nineteenth century, or so, and is hand-finished. The glass is so dark - nearly opaque - that it takes a bright lamp to discern the color. The second image was made using a 500 watt photo-lamp behind the bottle.

    I think that such a bottle was specially made to contain light-sensitive chemicals such as some silver compounds used in photographic film. Anyone here know of another practical use for a black-amethyst demijohn?


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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Who Collects Black Glass?

    Here are two black (olive-amber) glass preserve bottles. These are probably French, blown in three-piece molds, smooth bases. The strings have been applied, and the sheared lips have been fire-polished (in a "glory-hole") to make them smooth. They are blown with thick glass. The bottle on the left is very, very dark - almost opaque. These date to the second half of the nineteenth century.

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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

 

 
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