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  1. #1
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    Stoneware bottle

    Found this old bottle today I think it's an old beer bottle but not sure. Any help would be appreciated.
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  2. #2
    Kentucky Kache

    Re: Stoneware bottle

    I don't know, but its cool. Good find.

  3. #3
    us
    Just an old man enjoying life...

    Jun 2006
    Banning, California
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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    looks like a bowling pin decanter.....

  4. #4
    us
    Feb 2009
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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    Quote Originally Posted by dooley01
    Found this old bottle today I think it's an old beer bottle but not sure. Any help would be appreciated.
    I think you are in the right town, but on the wrong street, so to speak.

    Your bottle appears to be a stoneware ale or stout bottle that is slip-glazed. Not the typical British ale bottle. Look for a maker's mark on the lower side of the bottle.

    A gazillion ale bottles in a typical two-tone glaze were imported into the USA (is that where you found it?) in the second half of the nineteenth century on into the twentieth. Many were produced in Glasgow, Scotland.

    These bottles were made for ale or stout which kept better without refrigeration. Pasteurization (after 1873) allowed for local brewing of the more-fragile Pilsner beers, and importation of the bottled ale dropped off.

    This image shows three beer or ale bottles. Left and center are American-made, the center bottle in the Bristol style of glaze. The third bottle is British ware, recovered in Guyana, a former British colony. The sharp shoulders are not the most common form, which has sloping shoulders like your bottle.

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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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  5. #5
    us
    Just an old man enjoying life...

    Jun 2006
    Banning, California
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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Pristis
    Quote Originally Posted by dooley01
    Found this old bottle today I think it's an old beer bottle but not sure. Any help would be appreciated.
    I think you are in the right town, but on the wrong street, so to speak.

    If you look at the bottle in question it tapers towards the bottom, like a bowling pin and your examples do not taper....Just a observation

    PLL

    Your bottle appears to be a stoneware ale or stout bottle that is slip-glazed. Not the typical British ale bottle. Look for a maker's mark on the lower side of the bottle.

    A gazillion ale bottles in a typical two-tone glaze were imported into the USA (is that where you found it?) in the second half of the nineteenth century on into the twentieth. Many were produced in Glasgow, Scotland.

    These bottles were made for ale or stout which kept better without refrigeration. Pasteurization (after 1873) allowed for local brewing of the more-fragile Pilsner beers, and importation of the bottled ale dropped off.

    This image shows three beer or ale bottles. Left and center are American-made, the center bottle in the Bristol style of glaze. The third bottle is British ware, recovered in Guyana, a former British colony. The sharp shoulders are not the most common form, which has sloping shoulders like your bottle.


  6. #6
    us
    Just an old man enjoying life...

    Jun 2006
    Banning, California
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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    Here's a link to the decanter http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...r-bottle-w-tax

    PLL

  7. #7
    us
    Feb 2009
    Northcentral Florida
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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    Quote Originally Posted by pegleglooker
    Here's a link to the decanter http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...r-bottle-w-tax --PLL
    If you look at the bottle in question it tapers towards the bottom, like a bowling pin and your examples do not taper....Just a observation --PLL
    This bottle is not a Jim Beam bottle, sorry.

    The taper in the image that has confused you is a product of the position at which the camera was held in relation to the bottle. This optical phenomenon is called "perspective," I believe.

    In this case, the part of the bottle that is closer to the camera (the lip) appears larger, and a part of the bottle that is further from the camera (the base) appears diminishingly smaller. You can read about and see perspective distortion here: http://www.ask.com/bar?q=perspective...photography%29

    We can determine that 'dooley1' held his camera above the bottle because the entire mouth is visible in the image. If 'dooley1' had taken his picture with the camera perpendicular to the stoneware bottle, the body of the bottle would appear cylindrical (or nearly so).
    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

  8. #8
    us
    Just an old man enjoying life...

    Jun 2006
    Banning, California
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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    Well, I for one would like to see what is on the bottom of the bottle...

    PLL

  9. #9
    On extended Holiday.

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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    I found one similar to this bottle a while back. It has the Glasgow mark towards the bottom of the bottle. I determined that it was most likely a ginger beer bottle. Cool find!

  10. #10
    us
    Feb 2009
    Northcentral Florida
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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    Quote Originally Posted by DigginThePast
    I found one similar to this bottle a while back. It has the Glasgow mark towards the bottom of the bottle. I determined that it was most likely a ginger beer bottle. Cool find!
    It is a common misconception that these stoneware ale bottles are "ginger beer" bottles. I think it may be diggers' lore, like wood bottle molds and graphite pontil scars.

    Ginger beer bottles are typically marked as such with under-glaze stencils. Stoneware ale bottles don't have such labels.

    I think the confusion has arisen from the refilling of ale bottles with locally-produced ginger beer. Making ginger beer for personal use or local distribution was a common practice. And, there were plenty of ale bottles available for this secondary use.

    Unfortunately, THE COLLECTOR'S GUIDE TO CIVIL WAR PERIOD BOTTLES AND JARS by Mike Russell promotes this identification error by mis-labeling stoneware ale bottles from the Bertrand (sunken steam-ship) as ginger beers. There were NO ginger beer bottles, identified as such, recovered from the Bertrand cargo, although there were numerous ale bottles identified from paper labels or crate markings.
    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

  11. #11
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    Ace250man

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    Re: Stoneware bottle

    neat find !
    ALLEN

 

 

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