Need info on odd refired pontil med bottle

[john glassman]

I bought this refired pontil med bottle at tag sale . I found very little info on the net except for where it made no value can anyone help?

 

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[nhpicker]

Nice bottle! I like it! It's a rare one!

 

[Harry Pristis]

I bought this refired pontil med bottle at tag sale . I found very little info on the net except for where it made no value can anyone help?

John, I know you can read the embossment, but my old eyes cannot make it out. What does it read?

It's unlikely that this bottle has a "re-fired" pontil scar . . . It probably has no pontil scar at all. Why do you think it does?

 

[john glassman]

Hey Harris its a pontil

The bottle is called SIMONDS PAIN CURER they ground the pontil inward you can see on this pic. The pontil bottle is made around 1869 not sure but its pontil in one form or another.

 

[creeper71]

I know it might be hard to do but can you get a more clear an better pic of the bottom...from what I am seeing it looks to me as being machine made

 

[Harry Pristis]

The Simond's bottle is not listed in Knapp's 2006 price guide, so it may be a rare find. Anything with "cure" on it is more collectible than the average old bottle.

I have to accept that it's got a ground pontil scar 'cause I can't make out detail in your images. It's pretty unusual to find a utility bottle like this with a ground scar. That treatment was usually reserved for art glass and for specialty items like dresser bottles. I hope someone didn't do that grinding in an effort to "improve" the condition of the bottle - like polishing an old coin.

 

[creeper71]

The Simond's bottle is not listed in Knapp's 2006 price guide, so it may be a rare find. Anything with "cure" on it is more collectible than the average old bottle.

I have to accept that it's got a ground pontil scar 'cause I can't make out detail in your images. It's pretty unusual to find a utility bottle like this with a ground scar. That treatment was usually reserved for art glass and for specialty items like dresser bottles. I hope someone didn't do that grinding in an effort to "improve" the condition of the bottle - like polishing an old coin.

It's a BIMAL.... Found one with description
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/simonds-pain-curer-embossed-cure-bottle

 

[john glassman]

Thank for the info guy's this bottle it is very odd one for sure. I talk to tag sale person i bought from he dug this bottle last year at very old town dump. He had no info on bottle said he never heard a curer on a bottle before humm . The bottle is very hard to to take a pic due how clear it is. It's pontil not machine made that's for sure. I have a buyer already for the bottle and he offered $ 200.00 it be mailed out when the check clear's.

 

[Road Dog]

Not pontilled by any stretch. It's 1880-90's post mold bottle. Take the 200 and run.

 

[john glassman]

I would do some proper reading on company roaddog and find the fact's out for being 1890 from it.

 

[Road Dog]

Lip finish is a dead givaway to this one. Which one of these does yours most resemble?

 

[john glassman]

None in your pic did you check out the company info humm here a pic of crude as hell top.

 

[Road Dog]

I give up.

 

[glassrelics]

I think you should just put it in the recycling bin.

slapnutsuzie?

 

[swizzle]

Everything I see about this bottle screams 1890's med and by no means pontiled. Can you take a side view of the lip? You either found someone who has more money then brains or you're yanking our chains here. I wouldn't give more the .75 cents for a bottle like that without a front embossed panel. I've heard the name several times in the past and I seriously doubt its rare. Swiz

 

[gleaner1]

'Glassman, you post such killer goods, and have been a prolific provider of great posts on here, I am sure that everyone here highly respects you. You are a heavy hitter bottle digger in my book for sure. Here is my take. Re-fired pontils are a mystery, What are they exactly?

 

[creeper71]

Everything I see about this bottle screams 1890's med and by no means pontiled. Can you take a side view of the lip? You either found someone who has more money then brains or you're yanking our chains here. I wouldn't give more the .75 cents for a bottle like that without a front embossed panel. I've heard the name several times in the past and I seriously doubt its rare. Swiz

couple of us was trying to let John know it probly wasn't a Pontil... I think it is a blown in mold applied lip