Help With ID of Vintage Bottle

JohnnyFlake

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Another one of many that I will need help with ID. Help with ID and possible value will be appreciated.

This bottle is about 7 1/2" tall and about 2 5/8" in diameter.

"L.M.S." over "Hotels"

Note: This glass may not show in the photos but it is a deep green in color.

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Bass

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This could be a possibility but i don't know for a fact. Where did you find this bottle?LMS Hotels 1937
London Midland & Scottish Railway (LMS) documentary from the late 1930's showing the services offered by the LMS at their various hotels, with music by the Leslie Bridgewater Quintet.....

these Hotels were the favourite meeting places for all sorts of people who had arranged liaisons with others - for all sorts of things - with discretion assured.

truly a Golden Era - for some

credit; Ella73TV2

warning: a 20+minutes film of railway hotel life in the 1930's, more for the admirer of the genre.
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Sorry, i think this is the page i intended to post. Home
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LMS HOTELS
The ex-Caledonian Railway Central Hotel, Glasgow.
The LMS took over 40 hotels spread throughout the system with a capital value of £4 million, and became the owners of the largest hotel business in Europe.
The railway hotels were renowned for high standards of cuisine and elegant furnishings, and the majority enjoyed unrivalled positions adjacent to stations, important for travellers in the years before the car was commonplace.
The Euston Hotel had been the first railway-owned hotel in the world when opened in 1839 and it was still regarded as a place of pompous grandeur in LMS ownership. The hotel chain was spread throughout the system and during the period 1923-1939 four hotels were found to be redundant or obsolete and closed, whilst two new ones were opened and a further three were completely rebuilt.
Despite the closures and sales of properties, the capital employed in the hotels rose from £4m in 1923 to over £5.lm by 1929, and further sums followed.
Income was substantial, £3.3m in 1923 and slightly less in 1938 £3.08m and after overheads a useful profit was returned - 1923 1571,000 1938 £330,900. In relation to capital employed this represented an earnings ratio - 1923 12.5% reducing to around 5-6% in 1938, yet still better than a straightforward investment income when interest rates were low.
In addition to the hotels in the LMS network, a further four were owned in Ireland, three through the N.C.C. and one through the D & N & G Rly.
Advertising panels listing the principal hotels appeared in public timetables, passenger compartments and on station noticeboards.
The name of the hotel often indicated earlier company ownership and in addition the telegraphic addresses bore similar witness with the North Western's "Bestotel" and the Midlands "midotel" - yet all acclaimed "the best". Up to 7,000 staff were employed in the Hotels Department, including those staffing Company Launderies, refreshment rooms and kiosks.
Allied to the hotels, the LMS owned three golf courses adjacent to Scottish hotels, and a holiday camp at Prestalyn in partnership with Thos. Cook & Sons.
An interesting feature is that the Impressario Henry Hall was employed by the LMS in charge of dance orchestras. Based at the famous Gleneagles Hotel he later left the Company to join the B.B.C.
In 1939, 28 hotels were open and in common with many organisations the Government requisitioned part of the chain for war service. Six hotels were completely taken over and in addition parts of others were similarly claimed, until 14 hotels still plied for paying visitors. From 330,000 guests in 1938 the numbers rose during the war years to 580,000 in 1943, a substantial increase. Even in the darkest days of war when many establishments suffered considerable damage, none were completely closed down. Staff problems were inevitably to follow conscription of the hotel men, and women in considerable numbers, and old employees returned to service to keep the hotels open.
A Chief Hotels Superintendent had responsibility for the entire hotel, catering and laundry operation - in this latter respect some 39 million "pieces" of laundry were washed in 1938.
Silverware and china taken over in 1923 were gradually replaced by items with the LMS insignia but many pre-group items survived into public ownership in 1948.
After the war some attempts were made to raise standards in the hotels to their former prestigous levels but the nationalisation era commenced when many food controls were still stringent and the final years of LMS ownership were occupied in recovering from the effects of the war.
LMS HOTELS - 31st December, 1929
Owned and Worked by the Company.
Location Hotel Name Notes
Birmingham, New St. Queens Hotel Heavy war damage Open in 1946
Bletchley Station Closed by 1935
Bradford Midland War damaged
Crewe Crewe Arms Open in 1946
Derby Midland Very minor war damage Open in 1946
Furness Abbey Furness Abbey
Holyhead Station Open in 1946
Keighley Queens Closed by 1935
Leeds Queens Completely rebuilt Open in 1946
Liverpool, Lime St. Stn. North Western Closed by 1935
Liverpool, Exchange Stn. Exchange Heavy war damage Open in 1946
Liverpool Adelphi Heavy war damage Open in 1946
London, Euston Stn. Euston Heavy war damage - suffered direct hit Open in 1946
London, St. Pancras Midland Grand Closed by 1935
Manchester Midland Heavy war damage Open in 1946
Morecambe Midland Requisitioned in 1939
Preston Park Open in 1946
Scotland
Ayr Station Open in 1946
Dornoch Dornoch Requisitioned in 1939
Dumfries Station Open in 1946
Edinburgh, Princes St. Stn. Caledonian Open in 1946
Glasgow, Central Stn. Central Part requisitioned Open in 1946
Glasgow, St. Enoch Stn. St. Enoch Part requisitioned Open in 1946
Gleneagles Gleneagles Requisitioned in 1939.
International Reputation. Two magnificent Golf Courses. 9 Tennis Courts.
Inverness Station Open in 1946
Kyle of Lochaish Station Part requisitioned in 1939.
Modernised and a new wing added in 1934. Deep sea fishing. Open in 1946
Strathpeffer Highland Requisitioned in 1939
Turnberry, Ayrshire Turnberry Requisitioned in 1939.
Two Golf Courses. Four Tennis Courts.
Hotels Owned but not Worked by the Company at 31st December, 1929
Alderley Edge Queens Closed
Leek Churnet Valley Closed
Stoke-on-Trent North Stafford Later taken into LMS Management Open in 1946
Jointly Owned and Operated
Perth Station Two-thirds LMS owned
Hotels Purchased After 1929
Stratford-on-Avon Welcombe Requisitioned in 1939
Listed as 'Once a stately residence standing in its own magnificent grounds'.
LMS Hotels in Ireland
Belfast Midland Station War damaged N.C.C.
Larne Laharna N.C.C.
Portrush Northern Counties N.C.C.
Greenore Greenore D.N. & G. Rlwy.
Further Reading
V.R. Anderson and G.K. Fox, A Pictorial Record of LMS Architecture. OPC 1981 ISBN 0 86093 083 1
H.N. Twells, LMS Miscellany. OPC 1982 ISBN 0 860931 72 2
H.N. Twells, LMS Miscellany Volume 3. OPC 1986 ISBN 0 86093 383 0
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geo4472

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found this on ebay its the discription of a bottle like yours
Old green beer type bottle from London, Midland & Scottish Railway Hotels!! Measures about 8 inches tall and has "LMS HOTELS" embossed on side.
Appears in good condition with glass wear, possibly a dug bottle. Nifty attic find. Take a look, we think you will LOVE it!!! Ask any questions. Buyers pays 8.95 ship. We do accept Paypal. Thank YOU for shopping HERE!!!
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JohnnyFlake

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Thanks Bass Assassin and geo4472. That's a lot of info. I will have to spend sometime reading and checking this info out.

Thanks again!
 

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