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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories & Everglades Lost Gold

    Quote Originally Posted by mindspark
    This was discovered by Hully Sterling who was giving flying lessons out of Ft Lauderale in 1949 when he spotted Royal Poincania trees (not native to the region) Flying closer he saw the remnants of cabins. It took him 3 days by airboat to find the place and when he did, he found Confederate stamped "CSA" items left behind.
    Is this the same Hully Sterling that scattered Malelueca seeds over the glades from his airplane? I think his father owned a nursery in Davie. http://www.bioone.org/doi/pdf/10.2179/05-27.1


    PS would love to see your video.

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    Quote Originally Posted by mindspark
    I am new to this forum, but have been reading it for some time but only joined recently. It is amazing on how much misinformation circulates. As far as the lost gold in the everglades; there may have been two separate incidents or have been actually the same. One was transporting 500,000 in 20 dollar gold pieces from the New Orleans mint to Havana. (Supposedly KGC) They got lost and "I think" the shipment was split up and buried at a few separate locations. The second story is that they were transporting $200,000.00 in payroll and got lost, being chased by the enemy, burying the gold at a junction of two creeks. (not Shark and Harney rivers) Between Alligator Alley and SR41. I spent 10 years looking for both of these and can tell you a five square mile area that is definitely not in. But if you are looking for one of them, the last camping place of the Confederates was on an island in the Big Cypress called Horseshoe Head. This was discovered by Hully Sterling who was giving flying lessons out of Ft Lauderale in 1949 when he spotted Royal Poincania trees (not native to the region) Flying closer he saw the remnants of cabins. It took him 3 days by airboat to find the place and when he did, he found Confederate stamped "CSA" items left behind. This was supposedly the last camping place. I rented an airplane and found the head myself back in the 80's and have a video of it. It is 8 miles south of alligator alley. You can google it. (Go across alligator alley west from the beginning and about halfway you come to a canal with a pumping station on the north side of the road. On the south side a dirt road runs next to the canal south for about 7 miles and turns east. Just south of the east road 1 mile there is a big hammock (island) that is Horseshoe Head. It used to be a pineapple plantation back in 1860's. This was probably the Confederates last camping spots. This is where the cabins were found. Now that I told you, here's the catch... it is on the Seminole Indian Reservation, and they do not like anyone on it. You could end up as alligator food for being and doing something they don't care for. You will also need an airboat to get there. I had a connection who would get me there with a few trusted Indians with airboats and make everything OK for a cut, but if I ever were to actually find it, I think I would end up being reported lost in the everglades. So, I decided not to do it.

    Now the other gold shipment or payroll is on Federal Land. One of the locations is less than 1000 feet from alligator alley. Federal Land, fenced, posted, swamp, snakes and alligators. But it is there. Actually seen the map of the locations back in 1984. Long, long story of were the map came from. A treasure hunter friend of mine was contacted by an attorney to contract salvage rights for his client who's father left him the map. The client was 78 in 1984. My friend lived on the west coast and contacted me to determine the feasibility. Not knowing the location I needed something to determine the effort required. So the old fellow snapped some pictures of the map. It was about 3' x 4' and an original. Then took close ups of a few locations and cut them out so there was no reference to the rest of the map and sent them to me. He sent me a picture of the map he took at a distance so as not to reveal anything. I had it blown up at a photography studio and bam there it all was. I was also able to identify the locations after comparing the cut outs to the same copy of the map I got from the historical society.

    I said I would do it and then he says, "OK, now let's contact the government so I can legally claim it" I told my friend to tell him if he does that he loses it all. And that is were we parted ways. I doubt seriously he ever did anything with the map and the area is so treacherous for someone that age, who by now is 103 or dead. So the stuff is probably still there. Great Story eh? I had the gold bug bite me and I was fanatic over it for 10 years. I even gave away my detectors and quit altogether. I still like to research and read the forums.

    Oh yeah, the Calico Jack treasure... I been there too. It is in the Everglades National Park. They take a dim view of detectors. You need a boat to get there. If you get caught, they take the detector, and the boat and throw you in jail. The islands are nothing more than mangrove islands with perhaps a small bit of land in the center. You would have to climb over mangrove roots to get to the center. Wouldn't be able to swing a detector unless you burnt everything off. I camped at the Canepatch (a park campsite) and once supposedly used by pirates and plumehunters. Didn't get much sleep because an alligator came up on shore around our tent. The only way I would go look for the Calico Jack treasure is if I had a map with an x marks the spot and was signed by him personally... not this lifetime. If you ever been the the everglades during mosquito season, you can be drained of all your blood in an hour.

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    With the name Hully Sterling, who flew airplanes back it 1949. I would say that that is probably the same person that ruined our ecology.

    The video I have is of a lot of dashboard of the plane and a few good shots of the hammock and the poinciania trees as I stuck it out the window. We circled a few times. But in order for me to get some good shots my friend (the pilot) had to slow the plane down. He kept telling me we were at almost stall speed; I didn't get it, but later found out we could have dropped out of the air and crashed. Anyway, not much to look at in the video. Thick brush tops of trees, no open areas in the hammock. You can google earth it and do as well. Actually better.

    I tried to figure all the angles on the cache. You see supposedly the Confederates were taken in by a buch of " foot washing Baptists" as I read in one of the treasure mags. So the hammock was a small sugar and pineapple plantation. Now you aren't going to bury a quantity of gold where all of these people are living in case you are being followed. So, I was thinking it may be buried on one of the smaller hammocks surrounding the area. That way, you could post a guard and see anyone coming out from Horseshoe Head crossing the sawgrass. Once you are in the trees of the hammock no one can see what you are doing. Then again, they could have taken it with them, trying to make it to the coast, and when it got really insane, buried it elswhere. I doubt seriously, they went east. Nothing but sawgrass and swamp for miles. West was the Big Cypress. Prairies and Pinelands; some swamps. Probably when they hit some of the swamps going west, they had to make a decision to unload the burden just so they could make it out alive. This is just my thoughts on the matter.

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    During the Seminole Wars in 1840's-50's the Indians would clear the interior of the hammocks for farming and leave the tall trees on the outside edges to hide what they were doing. They grew bananas, corn, squash, sweet tators and other veggies. When the islands were abandoned, non-native trees would often take over. You can still find sugar cane and Seminole pumpkin vines growing wild on some of those hammocks. My friend told me as late as the 1950's when some Indians were discovered living on a hammock, they had never seen a white man before. They were asked to move out of Everglades National Park and were given land near the Big Cypress where they live today.

    The Big Cypress area was full of deserters, escaped slaves, Seminoles and other displaced Indians, pirates, fugitives from justice and every type of vagabond imaginable. They were able to find work on the small farms and groves and you could always hunt and fish for food. There are still cattle living wild to this day out on the prairies...

    Do you have anything on their eventual capture by the Union forces?

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    this "confederate " gold money was not in a "bank" or normal fiscal money left behind in a bank to stay within the control of the us govt when the "yankees" arrived (the us govt set terms under which the former confederate banks worked-- thus the money in those banks stayed in the usa-- in effect it was back under us govt control (since they controlled the southern banks ) -- this money was meant to be "removed" from the country thus it would be out from under us control -- so if it was found it would have been "grabbed" by the us govt to prevent that from occuring.

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    I don't have any actual documentation on this or any of the KGC caches in the Everglades. I tried to locate the records once back in the 80's. The University of Miami Library has the complete official records of the War Between the States. It is over 100 volumes. I spent a whole day and got burnt out trying to sort through it all and ended up getting locked in at closing time. They shut the lights off and I was on the 7th floor (I think it was the 7th) and ended up having to be escorted out.

    All of this cache is rumor and speculation. I would really like to see the official records.
    But you never know what you will find in the search. For instance I was following a lead about a guy who found a sword on a hammock. The guys son worked with my friend. So I drove to Davie, Fl from Miami and talked with him. A Cuban fellow who had a 5 acre spread up there and was using the sword to cut off chicken heads. My friend annealed it and brought the blade back to almost perfect condition. Then he kept it in the house. It was dated 1716 with a brass handle. I offered to purchase it but he refused. Handling that sword got my blood pumping. He couldn't recall where he was but he was out hunting with friends and he sat down on an oak limb in some unknown hammock, shuffled his feet in the leaves and uncovered the blade. Why can't I be that lucky?

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    HOLA amigos,

    The complete Official Records of the Civil War are now online at the "Making of America" website (Cornell University) it is searchable too, here is the linkee
    http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/b...aphs/waro.html

    Quite a few documents do support the stories of Confederate gold being hidden in Florida, pretty interesting reading!
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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    I know someone that found a fortification wall and brought back the rusted remains of a flintlock. We believe he has dicovered one of the lost Seminole Indian War forts. Problem is, he cant find it again. I have a vague general idea of the location and am looking for a partner to search for this fort. I believe the best way now would be to work upstream from saltwater by canoe. Anyone interested let me know. The Everglades/Big Cypress is a wild and crazy place. Im glad some of it is being preserved.




    Its easy to give up on this or dismiss anything faintly related to KGC as being fantasy. Its much harder to do the research. I have decided to keep looking and Im enjoying the ride. Like you say, you dont know what else you may discover accidentaly.

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    I'm on a roll here, more stories are popping into my head. I have a deer hunter friend who has a camp out in the Everglades. He's in his late 60's and goes out by himself all the time. About 7 miles in from Tamiami Trail. He was telling me that back in the 1960's he came across an Indian burial hammock and found an Indian in a coffin with the lid off on the side of a hammock buried in his WWII uniform with medals and his rifle. He didn't touch it. I am sure over the years someone else did.

    The humorous story I was thinking about right after I did my last post was about another deer and hog hunter friend of mine who was out swamping around looking for game and came upon an Indian burial hammock in the Big Cypress. They are not buried but put in a wooden coffin type box above ground. The thing that cracked him up was that someone wrote on the coffin " Do Not Shoot Into Box" This burial mound is behind the Indian village at the 20 mile bend. North side of the Trail. Nice to know about but unless you want to have your own personal box, I wouldn't attempt to locate it.

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    BigCy wrote
    Its easy to give up on this or dismiss it as being fantasy. Its much harder to do the research. I have decided to keep looking and Im enjoying the ride.
    My mother had a saying, "Nothing worthwhile comes easy" and it is especially true when it comes to treasure hunting. The folks who have never done it have a very distorted idea of what is involved. They don't realize that the real treasure is in the searching and finding.

    There are some other good resources online too, I may have posted them in another thread but the story of the escape of Sec of War Breckinridge is one, another is he biography of President Davis as written by his wife. The documentation is there amigos, and I hope that some day one of you WILL find this treasure!

    Got to sign off for a bit, quite a fascinating thread I must say - please do continue amigos!
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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    note to everglades hunters --bring GPS unit. -- that way you can return to the "spot" later

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    Im familiar with the 20 mile bend. The Indians have some huge parties out there now. There was a big one this past Christmas.

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    Quote Originally Posted by ivan salis
    note to everglades hunters --bring GPS unit. -- that way you can return to the "spot" later
    I found an old loggers camp back in the 80's near Roberts Lakes back in the day. Now that I have a GPS, I cant find it. GPS is a terrific tool.

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    Quote Originally Posted by mindspark
    I don't have any actual documentation on this or any of the KGC caches in the Everglades.
    I was hoping you had.
    I enjoyed your posts and I will put it all together with what I have and keep my ears open.

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    Re: Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

    A friend of mine told me he knows where 2 huge dugout cypress canoes are laying right now. Problem is, its in the Everglades National Park and I dont fool there much. You ever try to pick up one of those? Pretty heavy.

 

 
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