Confederate gold in North Carolina

placerman

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Let me first state that this story is true.

I used to be very into gold prospecting. I live in central North Carolina and have found some nice chunks of gold over the years. Not enough to make a living of course but more than enough to keep me interested.

Back in the late 90s I was wandering around in the woods about 50 miles from my house, panning for gold when I found a civil war era cannonball, imbedded in solid clay in the creek bank. Not knowing anything about this story at the time, I took the cannonball to several old timers, who practically fell over themselves trying to get me to tell where I found it. I had a conversation with one person in particular who threatened me with physical violence if I didn?t tell him where exactly I found the cannonball.

The cannonball itself has never been fired, according to a friend of mine. He said it would have been flattened slightly and have minute grooves in it had it been fired, neither of which is the case. It is however heavily rusted and pitted.

Some time later I heard of a story about Confederate soldiers retreating south through North Carolina in the closing weeks of the Civil War. They were supposed to be carrying a lot of gold bullion, and a cannon. Anyway the story went something like this?.

They were somewhere in central NC with Union Calvary hot on their trail. With so much heavy cargo they couldn?t make good time and so they melted the gold and poured it into the cannon barrel and then tossed the barrel over the side of a very large embankment into a creek or river. Of particular interest to me is the Confederate soldiers apparently stated that the river or creek that they dumped the cannon in was ?whitewater rapids?. The Confederate soldiers were eventually captured and imprisoned for several years in an attempt to find out where the gold was but they either didn?t tell or couldn?t remember well enough to find the place again.

There was a PBS documentary on this that aired several decades ago, back in the early 1980s I think. I don?t suppose anyone would have a database of old documentaries? The only good information I can find is from people who remember the documentary.

The area where I found it is extremely remote. You might think that?s impossible in an eastern state but the area in question was unmapped until around 1910.

I?ve tried to research this off and on over the years. I found records of lots of confederate units retreating through here in the final weeks of the war, but there is no concrete mention of any of them carrying gold, at least that I can find. I do know that President Jefferson Davis passed near me in the final days of the war and it is strongly rumored that he brought a lot of valuables with him. The closest civil war battle or skirmish that I know of occurred well over 75 miles from where I found the cannonball.

I have contacted various historical societies, museums, etc but they were of pretty much no help whatsoever. Most of them are very intent on finding out where I found the cannonball, so you can possibly understand why I don?t mention it much anymore.
 

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ZumbroKid

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Try Uwharrie National forest, i think i'm close to the speeling. been 20 plus years since i walked those hills.
 

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placerman

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Maybe I wasnt clear enough. I KNOW roughly where this is, after all I found the cannonball in a place that fits the description nearly perfectly.

What Im looking for is maybe a copy of the PBS documentary, anyone else who has heard about this or remembers the documentary, maybe some pointers as how to research this further without adversiting too much.

Thanks....
 

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bradandmilan

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Placerman,

Many legends have elements of truth to them. Also, many (most?) stories change in the re-telling. If others choose not to believe any of the story that you are researching, that should not dissuade you from your task.

SWR makes some good points in his post. Perhaps there are some distortions of truth in the tale, perhaps it is all fantasy. If you find the cannon, then you'll know. If you decide to stop looking, you'll never know.

Have you tried searching/googling for Civil War documentaries? Maybe go back and talk with people who remember seeing the documentary for more detail?

Brad
 

gldhntr

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the melting of the gold most likely did not happen unless it was done before in an effort to conceal what was being transported....the gold, if not previously melted and put in cannon could have and most likely would have been put in the cannon and then the end spiked...another thing to look at is if it was bullion being transported, you would not get very much in a cannon, maybe what 15-20 smaller bars maybe...it does not seem like they would go to the trouble to transport that little amount of bullion...coins maybe........jefferson davis or the group traveling with him were planting some caches as they moved south, some quite large, some not........tales told has it every where davis camped, even though most of the trip made by these two entities{davis group/treasury group} was made in two seperate groups for the most part, often with a day or two seperating them.....there is a good chance your treasure tale has some basis, but not completely as it is told...these tales were added to every time told, or simply told to throw you off....i would suggest checking your area around the find spot, the ball may have been left on purpose, or accident...as for research on the area, you would most likely have to have a very close date, or a unit to start with.,,at the very least a place {ie. campground,city, river} to start your info search.....the Confederate records for the time after 4-1-1865 are very incomplete or non-existant, and this was done for a reason, to keep the yankees from finding out what had been done, and where.....if there was no battle then union records would most likely not have anything on it.......the second set of records put out in the late 1880s may have some info being it was at the end of the war......the very last thing i would do is contact historical society as was mentioned in another post..one, because if there is a treasure,,,two, they would call in arkies, which would most likely end any efforts by you unless you want to be a water boy for a crowd of college educated ''specialist'' that most often do not have any respect for the land, people, and if they recovered youre cannon, you would never know it...no-one would.................gldhntr
 

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'' quote ''There is absolutely no creditable evidence supporting the above statement: ?jefferson davis or the group traveling with him were planting some caches as they moved south, some quite large, some not?? This is a fine example of how these myths get started. ''.......................well i tell you swr, you may have an opinion on most subjects here but after researching this subject for around 15 years, non-stop, in depth, i can say, without a shadow of doubt that you are in this case very wrong..........you might try reading some personal reminisces from diaries of soldiers involved in these burials...you could also reference the o.r. for a bit of info, a couple of after war pension requests from Confederate soldiers would definantly open your eyes a bit, ie,, '' i joined the _____________ in __________ on ________ at the request of _______ for the purpose of helping to guard and _______ a train of 70 wagons, each loaded with _____________ and pulled by 4-6 horses....We left _________ with 70 wagons and 8500 guards. When we got to ________________ there were but 3-4 wagons left, and around 3000 guards''............... this is but a taste of the info that can be found if you are seriously researching the topic....forget the printed books you have been reading as they are not worth the time of day when it comes to SERIOUS research........reading alot of books on the subject will give you the impression that the South lost the war because they were broke, ha,,,,,,from the o.r. '' we have now on hand 460 million in gold hidden in the country'',,, this was not hidden under anyones bed.......near the same time in the o.r. '' a bale of cotton at this time will bring 200.00 in gold {may be 250.00 I will have to look to be sure} in england...if we sell all that we have on hand AT THIS TIME, the payout would be around 40 billion dollars '' billions mind you...........these three examples are but a drop in the bucket compared to the info available to anyone with the gumption to stick with it and go beyond the obvious printed bull..............gldhntr
 

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Just look at some of the personal caches found over the years. What is disscussed here is the treasury of the South. I have no doubt it was hidden away somewhere. At least a good chunk of it.
 

gldhntr

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#1 . I have found that a diary is one of the best sources for factual information because , " who would bother lying to themselves, or making up stories that only the author planned on seeing..'' I am not talking of the made for print diaries, I am talking of personal papers/family collections type,,,............#2. While many requests for pensions were falsified by hungry widows, many were not. And when you can find these, prove them right by personal diaries, unit or company histories, personal papers, and local references in newspapers and such, then you start finding you have credible evidence to support your original information find..................#3. yes the Confederate Government was in deep debt at the end of the war, but this is far from being broke..That credit monster you know...Anyway the references i made concerning the specie hidden in the country, and the selling of cotton, were both made mid 1863, when the Confederacy still had the ways and means to accomplish this......Whether they did or not is a question, but they could have......and even knowing that war is extremely expensive, 460 million that they had on hand hidden {not counting what was above board} would carry them quite aways,, not to mention how far 40 billion would go if they actually did accomplish that, or even part of it.........add to that all the gold and silver, from all the banks of the Southern states, that was being collected and delivered {by a law started in 11-1864} even up to the day Richmond burned. What did make it to the Southern capital, along with what made it to the two largest Southern Depositories, {which were not in Richmond}, along with the great amounts in route to these places when Lee surrendered, EVERY BIT OF IT WENT IN THE GROUND, except approximately 500 million that was scattered all over a river and its banks when the boilers on the conveyance exploded........................you will not find reference to any of this in any printed book, save for a few references in the O.R.,,,,,but there are quite enough references to it, if you know how to find them, and enough preseverance to verify ......................gldhntr
 

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Placerman,

I live in Greensboro, NC... haven't heard the particular story you describe, but there is another "Confederate Gold" legend. Supposedly, at the end of the war, a train from Richmond carrying iron pots of gold passed through Greensboro. Between Greensboro and "Company Shops" (Burlington) all the iron pots were buried along the railroad. In the 1920's, an iron pot of gold was dug up on a farm.

I've researched this story, and it is almost certainly fiction. The amount of gold the CSA had was somewhere between very little and none at all. Yet every southern state has at least one "Confederate Gold" legend. Your story has at least several questionable details, as already pointed out by SWR. Doesn't mean the overall story is false, and it is possible that some soldiers stashed some valuables in a cannon and dumped it. Would be interesting to find more info. If I run across anything, I'll certainly let you know.

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gldhntr

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i have found in the woods off the tracks in mc cleansville where two of these burials were,,,,each within a short distance from the track, each held 2? 30 quart iron pots with three feet on each......if interested in seeing them i will show you, you can still discern the exact roundness of the pots and the three feet in each hole........there is in the O.R several references to a large cache burial from banks at new bern, that was found by yankee soldiers...this was found within 50 miles of greensboro, on the side of the tracks, and kept by the soldiers for the most part...unless i am mistaken they were from the 10th ohio.....the amounts of gold the Confederacy had was astronomical, unless you fall for the printed works, dealing with the treasure trains big run, which by the way was nothing other than a decoy to throw everyone off.....a careful search of records will reveal that every day between march 5 1865 and april 3 1865, several trains each day left the richmond treasury, under guard, loaded with treasury funds, surely they were not moving this much worthless Confederate paper money, that they burned in the fields......a careful reading will show you that even the midshipmen from the patrick henry were not guarding the last treasure train that left richmond either, and that these soldiers statements and diary entrys concerning its movements were falacies............more research will show you that a certain postal express agent charged with moving specie for the Confederate Treasury, arrived in richmond the day it burned, carrying 1 million in gold coin, carried in 40 boxes, along with 4 safes, contents unknown....after picking up a 5th safe near richmond, and a 6th, belonging to george pickett {of picketts charge}, he went to danville va.,, spent one night, then proceeded to greensboro n.c., where he stayed for the next 17 days before moving on south........his coins and/or safes were never found save for one, that was accidentally located in south carolina............gldhntr.....
 

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My newbie dumb question for the day. What's the o.r. that gldhntr mentions in a couple of posts?
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gldhntr

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there is also a 70 volume set that was put together after the war in the years 1880-1901..these volumes consist of records from the field, and records captured from Confederates at the close of the war, most of which were not included in the first 128 volume set....it is titled '' official records of the union and Confederate armies''.......also another set put together in 1894-1922,, 30 volumes, titled '' official records of the union and Confederate navies''....these two sets are not very well known, and therefore have been missed by many doing research on the war.....i have copies of these two plus the O.R. therefore i am unable to give a link to these but i am sure there is one available....if it can not be located i will look back to see if i have contact info from where i bought my sets if anyone is interested............................gldhntr
 

gldhntr

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okay i found it.......contact info for these two sets is.... vintagechannel.com i bought both the 70 volume set, the 30 volume set, a disc with 3700 civil war pictures and over 10,000 pages of unedited original text from the civil war period including several biographys on important players of the war, and another disc with over 800 turn of the century maps........bought this all as a set...i believe the price was around 100 dollars if not mistaken..................................gldhntr
 

gldhntr

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i agree with swr above,,, some of the records are as full of holes as swiss cheese... I always look for other info to verify any info found in any of these records...if you can not find anything to verify or give credence to any research material found anywhere, then i would take it with a grain or two of salt... a large part of proper, in depth research is proving, verifying, or backing up any information found as much as possible from as many sources as are available. only then can you tell the real from the bull......................................gldhntr
 

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gldhntr said:
i have found in the woods off the tracks in mc cleansville where two of these burials were,,,,each within a short distance from the track, each held 2? 30 quart iron pots with three feet on each......if interested in seeing them i will show you, you can still discern the exact roundness of the pots and the three feet in each hole........

I'm always interested in new info, especially if it can change my mind. So, yes, I would like to see this.

- Carl
 

gldhntr

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i will call you this evening carl and we can set it up,, maybe this weekend if convenient.............gldhntr
 

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Hey Placermine, thanks for stimulating an interesting discourse. There are plenty of informed and talented people on this forum, who we can all learn from, me inlcuded. I know I don't have to say this, but you will of course devote much time to a thorough search of the area you discovered. Besides the regular units engaged in organized warfare, there were numerous irregular units, some small, who may or may not have been fighting for a cause. Among these groups, the temptation to engage in picarooning, that is making war for profit, must have been very great as the inevitable became clear. You may have stumbled onto a great find, regardless of what is documented in the OR. It would be nice to attach a history to a nice find, but I know you could live with just the find, if you had to.
 

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Wow, this is a real interesting story. I read about this in an article by a guy named Clark.

He said that the train left Richmond for Greensboro. Why would they head towards Greensboro? And then why would they move towards McLeansville to bury the loot? Was that town even in existence at the time?

The article said that the leading officer eventually made it to Mexico and never returned to dig up the gold. That seems very strange. He would have at least sent the map to a friend or relative I would think.

If the pots were sealed with heavy wire, how did the office know what was in them?

Interesting stuff...

TreasureSeeker
 

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